Do you feel bad for the players that can no longer play ESO because of DX11?

Uber_Lord

yes

Yes kinda sucks. More importantly I will no longer be able to run the game on Linux using Wine. I will probably build new PC when new GPU series come out at the end of 2016.

So idk won't play eso until then. Not sure if I'll be coming back to eso at all.
Wish the devs waited for Vulcan API and ported to it. I mean isn't the game running on OpenGl on Mac?

Vicodine

no

I still don't get how. My GPU is 4 years old (almost, GTX670) and has FeatureLevel 11_0. The first Fermi had feature level 11_0, and that's back in 2010. HOW can anyone have a GPU not supporting 11_0 ?

epoling

no

No. DX 11 is old enough now that most people should already have it and if not you can get an inexpensive card that will run it. Games have to evolve and be geared towards newer hardware. Imagine if every game had to be compatible with a 1990 PC. We would be nowhere by now.

daemonios

yes

I do feel for them. It's not often that a game's requirements change relative to what they were at launch. That said, I understand ZOS may not want or be able to support DX9 in addition to DX11, OpenGL (for Mac) and the console versions.

Another question would be: will DX11 remain supported when they launch DX12 support (which they've said they're developing)? Because that one only runs on Win10 and on only the most recent graphics cards...

KanedaSyndrome

no

It's a necessary move. I don't feel bad at all. GeForce 400 cards support DirectX 11, and they are pretty old now (5+ years). So it's time to upgrade your GPU if you can't run DirectX 11.

Thevampirenight

yes

Well I have the feeling they will be forced to return the dx9 and dx10 capability. Because I bet 90% of players have those types of dx and don't have the software to support dx11.

Evergnar

no

No but I think it would have been wise for Zos to advertise critical changes like this before hand in game announcements of launcher or something.

Vicodine

no

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well I have the feeling they will be forced to return the dx9 and dx10 capability. Because I bet 90% of players have those types of dx and don't have the software to support dx11.

False.
ZoS must have a hardware survey from every player playing the game. It's most likely part of the analytics. At the very least, they know who plays OpenGL, who DirectX 9 and who DirectX 11.
It's most likely the other way around, 90%+ have DX11 capable card.

Reevster

daemonios wrote: »

Another question would be: will DX11 remain supported when they launch DX12 support (which they've said they're developing)? Because that one only runs on Win10 and on only the most recent graphics cards...

Its coming yep....

Plus windows 7 and 8 users will be out of luck at some point as well.

"All next-generation processors built by Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, or others, will only support Windows 10, Microsoft confirmed in a recent blog post. That means if you buy a PC with these upgraded chips—Intel's "Kaby Lake," Qualcomm's "8996," and AMD's "Bristol Ridge"—they will only run Windows 10; you can't downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2498097,00.asp


So if your upgrading your GPU dont get a Direct X 11 card only X 12 from here on out at least for new games and games like ESO.

Reapor

no

i dont feel bad at all considering u can pick up a gtx 660 which im using right now off of ebay for like £30 so yea

Moonshadow66

I don't really understand how they still could play it on DX9 after Update 6. Until Update 6, I played on DX9 and could NOT play it this way anymore afterwards. The game would run, but it took aaaages to load any textures and whatnot. People actually played this way for so many months???

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

no

Well to be fair at some point they have to keep moving forward. You cant expect windows 7 to be supported forever. One day windows 10 will become obsolete. We dont run windows 3.1 anymore but I paid $1400 for the 386 I had when windows 3.1 came out. I dont complain I cant still use it.

Abeille

yes

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

Uriel_Nocturne

no

Reevster wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Another question would be: will DX11 remain supported when they launch DX12 support (which they've said they're developing)? Because that one only runs on Win10 and on only the most recent graphics cards...

Its coming yep....

Plus windows 7 and 8 users will be out of luck at some point as well.

"All next-generation processors built by Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, or others, will only support Windows 10, Microsoft confirmed in a recent blog post. That means if you buy a PC with these upgraded chips—Intel's "Kaby Lake," Qualcomm's "8996," and AMD's "Bristol Ridge"—they will only run Windows 10; you can't downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2498097,00.asp

Yep. Technology moves forward.

It had to happen sometime.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

no

Abeille wrote: »

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

Why not just run the 32 bit client then?

Moonshadow66

Reevster wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Another question would be: will DX11 remain supported when they launch DX12 support (which they've said they're developing)? Because that one only runs on Win10 and on only the most recent graphics cards...

Its coming yep....

Plus windows 7 and 8 users will be out of luck at some point as well.

"All next-generation processors built by Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, or others, will only support Windows 10, Microsoft confirmed in a recent blog post. That means if you buy a PC with these upgraded chips—Intel's "Kaby Lake," Qualcomm's "8996," and AMD's "Bristol Ridge"—they will only run Windows 10; you can't downgrade to Windows 7 or 8.1."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2498097,00.asp

ESO cannot stop supporting Windows 7 and with it, DX11, as long as Windows 7 is supported by Microsoft, which will end in 2020. Windows XP was off the ESO requirements list last year, a while after Microsoft stopped the support. So I don't see any upcoming problems with that within the next 4 years.

Thealteregoroman

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »

Of course I do.

But I'm overly empathic, sooooooo...

/hairflip

lol......


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Abeille

yes

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

Why not just run the 32 bit client then?

As far as I'm aware, the 32 bit client will stop being supported, no? If not, then that's great and I'll tell him.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

no

Abeille wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

Why not just run the 32 bit client then?

As far as I'm aware, the 32 bit client will stop being supported, no? If not, then that's great and I'll tell him.

Only on the mac is the 32 bit client being retired.

Abeille

yes

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

Why not just run the 32 bit client then?

As far as I'm aware, the 32 bit client will stop being supported, no? If not, then that's great and I'll tell him.

Only on the mac is the 32 bit client being retired.

Oh that was a relief. Thank you!

NewBlacksmurf

no

It's a video game and PCs can be upgraded.

I have an older gaming lap top...can't swap out parts but even still, it's 4+ years old so it's time to upgrade.
Being upset on this is like owning a car and not keeping up on service and being upset when it finally breaks down for good.

That's just my point of view

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

no

Honestly unless its specifically designed for gaming a laptop is not the best thing to be playing ESO on.

Danikat

yes

This update surprised me. I'm on the forums fairly regularly so I don't know how I missed whatever announcements everyone else saw, but the first I knew about it was when it was in the patch notes.

Fortunately this doesn't affect me, but it's only relatively recently that keeping my PC somewhat up to date has been an option (and even then I last upgraded 2 years ago and I'm not planning another one any time soon) so I can definitely sympathise with people who, even with notice, are caught out by this.

It's one thing for a new game to come out and be incompatible with your PC, having a game you already own suddenly become incompatible unless you upgrade is a whole other thing.

KhajitFurTrader

no

People would complain just the same that ESO doesn't support DirectX 12 once it has reached significant distribution levels via Windows 10 and appropriate graphics cards. Scrapping DX9 was a necessary preparation for a future in which DX12 will happen.

daemonios

yes

Vicodine wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well I have the feeling they will be forced to return the dx9 and dx10 capability. Because I bet 90% of players have those types of dx and don't have the software to support dx11.

False.
ZoS must have a hardware survey from every player playing the game. It's most likely part of the analytics. At the very least, they know who plays OpenGL, who DirectX 9 and who DirectX 11.
It's most likely the other way around, 90%+ have DX11 capable card.

I kind of doubt it. If they do, they don't pay any attention to it. Case in point: when the PC x64 client launched for the PTS (already a week after the Mac client) it only worked on Win7. Win8 and 10 were a no-go. And from all the feedback we eventually got from ZOS, they were blissfully unaware of this issue.

DaveMoeDee

no

I do feel a little bad because some are likely on outdated laptops that can't really be upgraded. But this is why some people prefer underpowered consoles. At least the consoles will remain supported until they are replaced with newer consoles.

Then again, XBox 360 came out in 2005. PS3 came out 2006. DX 11 came out 2009. DX 9 is really old. Counting on a DX 9 card is temporally like expecting PS2 support.

Over9KThespian

Abeille wrote: »

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

If he can't run the 64bit he can still run the 32bit.....Yadda yadda....

KhajitFurTrader

no

daemonios wrote: »

I kind of doubt it. If they do, they don't pay any attention to it. Case in point: when the PC x64 client launched for the PTS (already a week after the Mac client) it only worked on Win7. Win8 and 10 were a no-go. And from all the feedback we eventually got from ZOS, they were blissfully unaware of this issue.

This issue was caused by a faulty executable signature, thus Windows versions 8 and above "in the wild" prevented the binary from launching because of a failed security check (the Windows security model has been significantly changed by Microsoft from Windows 7 to 8). If internal testing PCs have this kind of security checks disabled, or do have the appropriate developer certificates installed, which are able to positively verify the according binary signatures, it is very likely that this error couldn't have been caught until the public testing versions had been put out on the Public Test Server for people to actually test them. Hence the name.

Volkodav

yes

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

I was really excited for running dungeons with my friend of another alliance, but he just told me he can't run the 64bit exe

And before people go "upgrade, it is so cheap, yadda yadda". It may be cheap for you, but it certainly isn't cheap for everybody. Third world country with broken economy here. Electronics cost up to four times what you guys in Europe and North America pay for them.

Why not just run the 32 bit client then?

Can you tell me how to run the 32 bit? I'll be happy with that till I can get a new card.

sadownik

yes

Tandor wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

I feel bad, but at the same time it is a major reason I play on the console.

Yes I don't get the new shiny, but I don't have to worry about my rig not handling something and having to reconfigure my entire setup around a piece of software.

A game on a console is going to use the same hardware regardless of the developers intentions.

And console is a perfect choice for you. I choose to play the game and have it look MUCH better on a PC and at a low cost. It's not like ZoS is using a technology that was released in 2015. DirectX 11 was release A LONG time ago and ESO isn't the only piece of software that requires it.

A forewarning might have been in order though.To give us all time to get people to upgrade our PCs.Not all of us know how to just open up the case and dive in.Nor do w e just happen tp have a casual $200.00 or so to throw out there within 24 hours notice.
i was playing last night till the early hours,went to sleep got up all excited for the new DLC and suddenly I can no longer play.

There was plenty of notice, some report here that it was as much as a year although I can't personally confirm that although I've certainly been aware of it for a long time.

Z. can spam my mail with crown store fluff commercials but not warning to its clients that from that and that day game will run only on dx11? Plenty of notice? Where? Did i miss sticky about that issue? Where there some announcements in game?

I am lucky enough since my very mediocre rig can handle dx11 but this... this is complete bs. And to people saying that they should upgrade technology. Yes, but they should do it properly. If its impossible to allow run both on dx11 and lower (as i see done in most if not all other titles) then at least warn people.