Do you feel bad for the players that can no longer play ESO because of DX11?

Minno · March 2016

yes

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

captainwolfos · March 2016

yes

Gaming is an expensive hobby, and honestly I'm surprised my potato can run the game as it is.

I don't know what I'd do if one day my potato can't run games. It's probably the only thing keeping me sane.

Lenikus · March 2016

yes

Doflamingo wrote: »

You should feel bad for the game not for the players, this update killed every chance for it to even reach 10% of WoW 's population. Now its another dead mmo in the big ocean

The sad is that the people who play it now are those who gave it a second chance after its ultimate failure on launch but with the recent update they throw out even their remaining players

dat necromancer of threadz.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

no

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Minno · March 2016

yes

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

JadeNaria · March 2016

I'm not enjoying the changes though I don't see a difference since I ran eso at fps cap anyways. Reason being is the bugs that came with the 64bit client.

I feel the change for the other players is sad and not fair for them since the requirements for this game were one thing at initial release and then changed. Like the carpet was pulled from right under them.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

no

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

This is a modern game. We've beaten this horse dead man times already. DX9 is over 15 years old. Released 2002. DX11 is an evolution of DX10 and back compatible all the way to Vista, 7, 8.1.

DX11 came out in 2011 with a preview in 2010. That's 5-6 years ago.

If you bought a PC 4 years ago and it didn't have a modern GPU, you skimped on purpose or bought a laptop.

Lysette · March 2016

no

All the fuzz about a technology change when the entry level DX11 card costs just 20-40 bucks - seriously?

Minno · March 2016

yes

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

This is a modern game. We've beaten this horse dead man times already. DX9 is over 15 years old. Released 2002. DX11 is an evolution of DX10 and back compatible all the way to Vista, 7, 8.1.

DX11 came out in 2011 with a preview in 2010. That's 5-6 years ago.

If you bought a PC 4 years ago and it didn't have a modern GPU, you skimped on purpose or bought a laptop.

Then why the lack of oversight on nividia cards not being pure dx11 compatible? Why not placing expectation of dx11 future conpatibilty into the recommended game specs at game launch?

It's lazy if the latter wasn't done. And more lazy by a developer to stick compatibility concerns right before DLC launch. Not hard to give some insight on future expectations for the game performance-wise.

ChrisGoesAFK · March 2016

I work in support and hate to see someone struggling to make things work. Worse yet is that there are people who simply cannot afford to spend the money on upgrades. For some $40 can make or break a week or even a month.

That said I also understand the other side of it. Technology changes and at some point it’s no longer possible to offer support.

WalkingLegacy · March 2016

no

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

This is a modern game. We've beaten this horse dead man times already. DX9 is over 15 years old. Released 2002. DX11 is an evolution of DX10 and back compatible all the way to Vista, 7, 8.1.

DX11 came out in 2011 with a preview in 2010. That's 5-6 years ago.

If you bought a PC 4 years ago and it didn't have a modern GPU, you skimped on purpose or bought a laptop.

Then why the lack of oversight on nividia cards not being pure dx11 compatible? Why not placing expectation of dx11 future conpatibilty into the recommended game specs at game launch?

It's lazy if the latter wasn't done. And more lazy by a developer to stick compatibility concerns right before DLC launch. Not hard to give some insight on future expectations for the game performance-wise.

DX11 cards for Nvidia go all the way back to GTX400 series and Radeon 5xxx series. 2009 cards.

MMOs go through an evolution of tech upgrades and people have posted ZOS links where they state TG will bring DX11 only support.

Lysette · March 2016

no

ChrisGoesAFK wrote: »

I work in support and hate to see someone struggling to make things work. Worse yet is that there are people who simply cannot afford to spend the money on upgrades. For some $40 can make or break a week or even a month.

That said I also understand the other side of it. Technology changes and at some point it’s no longer possible to offer support.

This is a very strange kind of argument to me - what if their hardware would stop working?- Do these people not plan ahead and have some reserves to replace failing hardware then? Will they be offline for months to come in this case?-

Garldeen · March 2016

yes

Just a shame a way couldn't be found for people to play the game as pre DLC state, with the knowledge they cannot get future DLC or fixes. Would have been tricky to do, but doable. Personally I am ok re dx but I agree with the above that not everyone has the disposable income to upgrade for just one game. In some countries exchange rates, etc can mean what would be a cheap purchase here in the UK is a major purchase, and, although gaming is fun, it shouldn't be at the top of anyone's list of expenses. Especially if you have a family.

There is a reason a lot of businesses moved thier labour to Asia and South America. The average earnings are much lower which means they pay (adjusted for the cost of living) much more for tech. What might be £50 in this country would well be equal to being £100 in some parts. People in these regions already get punished by higher prices when they buy the game in the first place. to punish them twice is not good. Would I pay £100 to carry on playing one game? Not a chance. For that price I could buy several new games off steam

DerAlleinTiger · March 2016

yes

Do I feel bad for them? Yes, yes I do. I know several who've had to quickly upgrade, borrow a friend's PC, or just plain tough it out and begin the game of patience for an upgrade because of it. So I do have sympathy, yes. However...

Let's be frank here. Laptop users aside, I don't know why anyone still wouldn't have DX11 if they're a PC gamer. I mean, it's pretty much been the standard for how long now? DirectX 9 was released in 2002, people!

I know console people might be saying "Oh, I'm glad I'm not on PC. This is why I don't use PC." But if you're not a PC gamer you might not fully understand this. To put it into perspective, it's like saying "I'm glad I don't play console because I can't play Bloodborne on my PS2." Yes, PS2. Not PS3. This is how old DirectX 9 is. DirectX 10 came with and only with Windows Vista. DirectX 11 came out later on in Vista's lifespan and has come standard with Windows 7 and 8. It was unveiled in 2008. That means, to extend the metaphor, they're basically saying "Hey. I'm sorry you can't play Bloodborne on PS2, but look. We'll make you a deal. You can play it on your PS3! Don't even need the latest and greatest!" Now, this isn't a perfect metaphor but it's just to put things into perspective here of how long DirectX 11 has been a thing and how old DirectX 9 truly is. The PS2 was barely two years old!

Now apparently, at least from what I've gathered recently, laptops tend to have graphics processors that do not use DirectX 11. Why that is, I cannot tell you because I do not use laptops and nor do I have much experience with them. So it is really messed up for laptop players, but to be honest it still comes down to choice of hardware then. It's pretty well known that if you're serious about keeping up with gaming hardware laptops are not really the place to go. You can get some really nice gaming laptops; but you're not going to be able to open them up, gut them, and upgrade them anywhere near as easily as you can with a desktop, if you even can to begin with! Even if you're not 'serious' about keeping up with gaming hardware, if you are just a gamer in general it would be in your best interest to at least check the specs, know what the laptop's capabilities are and where its limitations fall. And if you've bought it within the last 6-ish years and didn't stop to think about whether or not it can run DirectX 11 and if not then maybe looking at another model then that's on you.

Again, I feel bad for people who cannot play and I can empathize with them, but in the end it's the reality of technology. I was surprised at how many were affected, but again I think that's just because of the whole laptop deal. So do I feel sorry? Yes. Do I think ZOS were wrong to upgrade? No. I think it's paving the way for future upgrades to keep the game fresh in terms of its technology. Unfortunately that means some people might fall behind in hardware. But again, just to keep things in perspective, we're talking about upgrading from 2002 technology to 2008 technology in 2016.

Waseem · March 2016

no

Modern games requires modern software and hardware no problem with that
also, any directx 9 user usually have low FPS all time, crashes and stuttering which affects performance in group play etc...
PC gaming is known to be expensive compared to consoles, on the expense of a best gaming platform especially for MMOs.
i wouldnt mind eso to support directx 12 aswell. but in exchange for smoother gameplay.

Rohaus · March 2016

no

At some point you just need to bite the bullet and upgrade to a real computer... Probably need to get a job first.

Woeler · March 2016

no

$50 on craigslist for a dx11 GPU. And nobody who plays an MMO can tell me that won't fit their budget.

Kova · March 2016

It does bother me, but what bothers me more is that ZoS was fine with alienating a good chunk of their players through a specification change, and yet changing a chunk of the player bases play style for the sake of balance is still completely out of the question.

Minno · March 2016

yes

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

This is a modern game. We've beaten this horse dead man times already. DX9 is over 15 years old. Released 2002. DX11 is an evolution of DX10 and back compatible all the way to Vista, 7, 8.1.

DX11 came out in 2011 with a preview in 2010. That's 5-6 years ago.

If you bought a PC 4 years ago and it didn't have a modern GPU, you skimped on purpose or bought a laptop.

Then why the lack of oversight on nividia cards not being pure dx11 compatible? Why not placing expectation of dx11 future conpatibilty into the recommended game specs at game launch?

It's lazy if the latter wasn't done. And more lazy by a developer to stick compatibility concerns right before DLC launch. Not hard to give some insight on future expectations for the game performance-wise.

DX11 cards for Nvidia go all the way back to GTX400 series and Radeon 5xxx series. 2009 cards.

MMOs go through an evolution of tech upgrades and people have posted ZOS links where they state TG will bring DX11 only support.

Just give players enough notice to plan funds to upgrades.

And avoid oversights like this:

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

@Rylana is spot on

I posted in the tech support thread a few options you can try, but its been known for years that Nvidia really didn't support 100% of the Direct X 11 or 11.1, 11.2 specs....much of it is emulated via software based on DirectX 10.1 wrappers.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/nvidia-7-series-doesnt-support-directx-11-2.186399/

This has been known among the Techpowerup community for a very very long time.

I would try running the game in OPENGL which i detailed how to do that in Crowns post on the tech forums and deleting a few files and see if the game runs...if it works in OPENGL that means Nvidia's lack of proper DirectX 11 feature support is fully to blame in this instance

AMD and Nvidia took two different paths, AMD opted to 100% support every single spec of DirectX at the hardware level and to always use their code with the latest DirectX 11+ wrappers that Micosoft recommended them to use and focused on Compute performance at the expense of proprietary features and power usage.

Nvidia on the other hand decided to focus on proprietary features such as ShadowPlay, Gameworks, etc and to emulate most of the DirectX 11 features via software in the drivers while reducing power consumption focused on efficency.

This is not a AMD Vs Nvidia thing, its just the two vendors took sort of different paths.

My decision to buy a new GPU would totally depend on how invested i am in the game.

ZOS is an interesting position because that old DirectX 9 and 10 wrappers do have CPU and performance overhead associated with them as DirectX 9 in particular was very single threaded heavy, while DirectX 11 isn't the best multi-threaded its miles better then DirextX 9 and 10.....at what point must ZOS begin to move forward? We can't stand in the way of progress..

I was against the discontinuation of Windows Vista because Windows Vista does support DirectX 11 with the Platform Update and the Platform Update Supplement that backported DirectX 11 to Vista, as long as someone has a GPU that support DirectX 11 there is no reason it shouldn't run on Vista as it would on 7 as the WDDM drivers and such made for Windows 7 were specifially made to be backwards compatible with Vista and Server 2008 without recompiling code so MS done it this way intentionally and Vista don't EOL until April of next year, and Im glad ZOS moved forward and fixed the Vista issue folks were having.

Im due to buy upgrades at the end of the year, im waiting for AMD;s Zen CPU and will then do new GPU's at that time....ZOS has a very fine line here...you don't want to lock out people, but if its standing in the way of progress....that old DirectX 9 and 10 code can saddle the game's performance...I don't think ZOS depreciated all that old code without good reason...i think there is some solid performance gains to be had by doing this....

i'd be suprised that anyone with a GTX 900 series or an AMD R7, R9 200+ would have any issues with the newest drivers, if they do, its not because of their cards, but i could see certain older cards having problems

JamilaRaj · March 2016

Woeler wrote: »

$50 on craigslist for a dx11 GPU. And nobody who plays an MMO can tell me that won't fit their budget.

Nope, it does not fit my budget, it is pretty tight. You know, $10 costume here, $25 mount there, and P2W is not cheap either.

captainwolfos · March 2016

yes

Woeler wrote: »

$50 on craigslist for a dx11 GPU. And nobody who plays an MMO can tell me that won't fit their budget.

Nowhere near in my budget. Maybe before we moved to Romania, but not now.

They still sell VCRs and CRT TVs here. No way I'm going to be able to get something like for cheap, and imports are out of the question, too.

Artjuh90 · March 2016

no

why can't i play zos on my commodore 64? WHY ZOS!!!!!!!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tandor · March 2016

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

This is a modern game. We've beaten this horse dead man times already. DX9 is over 15 years old. Released 2002. DX11 is an evolution of DX10 and back compatible all the way to Vista, 7, 8.1.

DX11 came out in 2011 with a preview in 2010. That's 5-6 years ago.

If you bought a PC 4 years ago and it didn't have a modern GPU, you skimped on purpose or bought a laptop.

Then why the lack of oversight on nividia cards not being pure dx11 compatible? Why not placing expectation of dx11 future conpatibilty into the recommended game specs at game launch?

It's lazy if the latter wasn't done. And more lazy by a developer to stick compatibility concerns right before DLC launch. Not hard to give some insight on future expectations for the game performance-wise.

ZOS gave notice a long time ago about the change, and gave people plenty of time to upgrade if they needed to. I do think they should have confirmed it more clearly in the past couple of months e.g. on the launcher, but it really isn't the case that they didn't give due notice. This is very definitely not something they unleashed with no prior warning on the eve of the TG DLC. They've carried a warning on the boxes that system requirements are subject to change since launch, and they updated the stated system requirements to DX 11 when Tamriel Unlimited launched. It's one thing for people to complain that they didn't see the announcements, but quite another thing for them to complain that no announcements were made.

HeroOfNone · March 2016

Yes and no, so I choose not to vote.

The change came quick, and caught many off gaurd. I feel bad for a majority left out because of this, especially if they had ESO Plus memberships.

At the other hand this had to come at some point and at the end of the road could lead to higher FPS & better stability once we get down this very bumpy road.

I worry for the folks with 32 bit machines need to start loozing to uparade as well. As I see it the next major change to optimize and increase performance with be coding this to hyperthread and utilize a 64 bit system. That means support for the 32 bit system will probably be left behind.

notimetocare · March 2016

no

Not in the slightest. Ancient tech is bad for game survival.

Docmandu · March 2016

I agree that they should keep up with technology, DX9 is ooooold.. can't expect them to support very old hardware.. but.. and this is where I think they missed the ball.. they should have communicated this at least 6 months before deprecating the support. AFAIK this didn't happen and it caught many people off guard. (many is an assumption here... ZOS will know exact figures and might have taken that into account)

Anyway think the biggest problem is for people with old laptops, since you can't easily (cheaply) update there.. while on a desktop, you can buy a brand new compatible gfx card for peanuts. A crown store mount is actually more expensive than a new compatible gfx card.

Minno · March 2016

yes

Tandor wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

WalkingLegacy wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Kwivur wrote: »

Upgrade your life.

You can't expect casual players to spend money to update their rig if it's only 4 years old. Normally ID agree, but ESO has a casual design intent therefore void of all hardcore enthusiast intents.

If you're gaming on a PC, then you're a step above a casual console player and must, in accordance with Master Race law, maintain and upgrade your PC in a timely manner.

My old four year GPU still runs ESO. I shipped it to a buddy in Alaska so he could crossfire two 6970 Lightnings. 100-150 bucks for a current cheap card is not that much. If you can't afford that, gaming is the least of your problems.

Normally I agree. But this game is not end-game hardcore raider intended.

A casual gamer shouldn't have to look at their rig every DLC to insure their game will be compatible.

Tbh this should be in a gamer's basic bill of rights; no one should be forced to spend any money to update a rig for a game post-release.

This is a modern game. We've beaten this horse dead man times already. DX9 is over 15 years old. Released 2002. DX11 is an evolution of DX10 and back compatible all the way to Vista, 7, 8.1.

DX11 came out in 2011 with a preview in 2010. That's 5-6 years ago.

If you bought a PC 4 years ago and it didn't have a modern GPU, you skimped on purpose or bought a laptop.

Then why the lack of oversight on nividia cards not being pure dx11 compatible? Why not placing expectation of dx11 future conpatibilty into the recommended game specs at game launch?

It's lazy if the latter wasn't done. And more lazy by a developer to stick compatibility concerns right before DLC launch. Not hard to give some insight on future expectations for the game performance-wise.

ZOS gave notice a long time ago about the change, and gave people plenty of time to upgrade if they needed to. I do think they should have confirmed it more clearly in the past couple of months e.g. on the launcher, but it really isn't the case that they didn't give due notice. This is very definitely not something they unleashed with no prior warning on the eve of the TG DLC. They've carried a warning on the boxes that system requirements are subject to change since launch, and they updated the stated system requirements to DX 11 when Tamriel Unlimited launched. It's one thing for people to complain that they didn't see the announcements, but quite another thing for them to complain that no announcements were made.

That announcement should have been more pronounced, especially when the DLC is confirmed as early as TG was. A few months could mean the world of difference for college/younger kids that rely on non-consistent income sources. (A majority of gamers.)

Many sales came from digital sources and system requirements are not easily shown when purchasing. Though I agree it's normally on the gamer to check their system requirements.

Overall this could have been easily avoided without going full conservative gamer forcing complete upgrades.

DaveMoeDee · March 2016

no

Lyrebon wrote: »

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

A lot of us are no "MMO" players.

Still, I have a GTX970. But I don't do MMOs. I do ESO.

If you don't do MMOs why did you buy ESO? It contradicts what you're saying. If you don't play MMOs except for ESO, that would have been more accurate to say.

Still, people purchased a game either knowing full well what it was and what MMOs (and PC games in general) are like, or they didn't research it and you are excusing those who blame a developer for their ignorance.

Don't be obtuse. You honestly can't understand my point?

I bought ESO because I buy Elder Scrolls games. That is why I played it. There is no contradiction there. There are people who play ESO who have played double digit MMOs. They jump from MMO to MMO. Those are MMO players. There is something about MMOs that they like and they try to find games that do MMOing well. Many of us are not that. This may be the only "MMO" I ever play. I am not an "MMO player" any more than I am a beer drinker because I like Sam Adams Porchrocker. I still don't like beer, though that it a beer.

Some like to make useless comments of the form "ESO must change X to Y because MMOs must have Y." Those are useless comments. ESO needs Y if Y makes ESO better. It is irrelevant if Y is in WoW or Path of Exile or The Secret World or other forms of "MMO".

I agree that PC players should expect that a game that is trying to remain relevant over many years might not support old hardware at some point, just like how mobile phone OS upgrades regularly don't support hardware more than a few years old.

Elf_Boy · March 2016

no

How is this different then having a HD too small for a patch? Needing 4gb of ram instead of 2 or a better Internet connection?

I am sad people are having a frustration in their life, have to overtime a barrier, deal with a problem, etc.

I don't see this as different from any other hardware issue.

If we want a better, prettier, game-world we need to be willing to pony up better equipment.

I guess I don't get the big deal. Ya it will take a small amount of time and cash to fix. People here will help you find the right upgrade. You get a better upgraded computer out of it.

qrichou · March 2016

no

Gothlander wrote: »

This just isn't right. How can ZOS do this to those who have been playing ESO with DX10/DX9 video cards?

im jealous they do rl now or a game that does work .