Do you feel bad for the players that can no longer play ESO because of DX11?

Khaos_Bane

no

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well it doesn't have to devolve into console vs pc here, I was just stating why I personally chose to play on console.

I also have a beast of a rig that streams and plays eso on ultra @ 70FPS.

That's not the point lol I choose to play my PS4 and I still feel bad for people that are forced into spending money they don't have or not playing a game they love is all.

They need to take that into account when they purchase PC games, it's no different than any other product, especially tech products.

Like the big screen TV you paid for 5 years ago which is virtually worth nothing right now. This is part of the process, and who wants companies stopping their evolution because a few people get upset that their FAR OUTDATED HARDWARE doesn't run the software.

Have some personal responsibility and get a console is what I say to them.

Why should I have to play on a console when I have never wanted to before.I had one,a PS3 and gave the d-a-m-n thing a way.I hate console,but there are those who love it.Fine by me,but I shouldnt have to play one if I dont want to.Also,ESO never said I had to when I bought it.
Oh,and my 11 year old big screen tv works great.Just an FYI.

I said your TV isn't worth anything, glad it's still working. Why should I have to play video games of the lowest common denominator as far as PC hardware is concerned. Who gives you the right to draw the line in the sand and say ESO MUST WORK ON MY HORRIBLY OUT-OF-DATE PC. If you want to play on the premium platform then YOU should expect to keep it relatively up to date.

You can probably spend 30-50$ to upgrade so you are able to use it. ZOS has been MORE THAN compromising with this. DX 11 has been out A LONG TIME.

Moglijuana

mmmmmmm ps4 ....mmmmmm crappy graphics </3........mmmmmm still playable doe

Khaos_Bane

no

Saltypretzels wrote: »

It isn't fair that they bought a game with particular requirements stated on the box, and then those requirements are changed on them. I would say that ZoS essentially stole their money on this move, although it seems very legal and all. Just morally repugnant.

Give me a break. Anyone who has been gaming for any length of time knows technology advances and evolves and hardware will have to be upgraded. It's not like they are asking you to spend hundreds of dollars even.

Go play on a console. Again, if you want to play with big people toys then understand you will most likely have to upgrade components from time to time.

Volkodav

yes

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well it doesn't have to devolve into console vs pc here, I was just stating why I personally chose to play on console.

I also have a beast of a rig that streams and plays eso on ultra @ 70FPS.

That's not the point lol I choose to play my PS4 and I still feel bad for people that are forced into spending money they don't have or not playing a game they love is all.

They need to take that into account when they purchase PC games, it's no different than any other product, especially tech products.

Like the big screen TV you paid for 5 years ago which is virtually worth nothing right now. This is part of the process, and who wants companies stopping their evolution because a few people get upset that their FAR OUTDATED HARDWARE doesn't run the software.

Have some personal responsibility and get a console is what I say to them.

Why should I have to play on a console when I have never wanted to before.I had one,a PS3 and gave the d-a-m-n thing a way.I hate console,but there are those who love it.Fine by me,but I shouldnt have to play one if I dont want to.Also,ESO never said I had to when I bought it.
Oh,and my 11 year old big screen tv works great.Just an FYI.

I said your TV isn't worth anything, glad it's still working. Why should I have to play video games of the lowest common denominator as far as PC hardware is concerned. Who givers you the right to draw the line in the sand and say ESO MUST WORK ON MY HORRIBLY OUT-OF-DATE PC. If you want to play on the premium platform then YOU should expect to keep it relatively up to date.

You can probably spend 30-50$ to upgrade so you are able to use it. ZOS has been MORE THAN compromising with this. DX 11 has been out A LONG TIME.

Actually,I paid for a game that didnt say that I had better buy a new video card in two years or I would be able to play it.There were no warnings on the box.
Also,where did I say you had to play anything,much less a game with the lowest common denominator,which ESO isnt. I commented on you saying that people should get a console.That's what you say to them.Those were your words.

Volkodav

yes

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

It isn't fair that they bought a game with particular requirements stated on the box, and then those requirements are changed on them. I would say that ZoS essentially stole their money on this move, although it seems very legal and all. Just morally repugnant.

Give me a break. Anyone who has been gaming for any length of time knows technology advances and evolves and hardware will have to be upgraded. It's not like they are asking you to spend hundreds of dollars even.

Go play on a console. Again, if you want to play with big people toys then understand you will most likely have to upgrade components from time to time.

There it is again"Go play on a console".
You just cant stop with it,can you? Not all people want to play on console. I bet that's what you play on,and expect everyone to comply with your ideas of what should be.
Many people are living on a fixed income and just cant cough up money for a new card without knowing ahead of time.Like say a month.NOT a year back.
Look,no,it isnt expensive to get a new card,but it can,for those who didnt remember due to life getting the way,be a problem.And,for my part,medical problems caused me to not think about it every day of the year until they just implement it. I have since borrowed from a friend to buy a new one and it will be here tomorrow.
Happiness once again.I dont care about lag,but I do care that my money is locked into a game I cant play at the moment.
All grousing at eachother aside. :}

Khaos_Bane

no

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well it doesn't have to devolve into console vs pc here, I was just stating why I personally chose to play on console.

I also have a beast of a rig that streams and plays eso on ultra @ 70FPS.

That's not the point lol I choose to play my PS4 and I still feel bad for people that are forced into spending money they don't have or not playing a game they love is all.

They need to take that into account when they purchase PC games, it's no different than any other product, especially tech products.

Like the big screen TV you paid for 5 years ago which is virtually worth nothing right now. This is part of the process, and who wants companies stopping their evolution because a few people get upset that their FAR OUTDATED HARDWARE doesn't run the software.

Have some personal responsibility and get a console is what I say to them.

Why should I have to play on a console when I have never wanted to before.I had one,a PS3 and gave the d-a-m-n thing a way.I hate console,but there are those who love it.Fine by me,but I shouldnt have to play one if I dont want to.Also,ESO never said I had to when I bought it.
Oh,and my 11 year old big screen tv works great.Just an FYI.

I said your TV isn't worth anything, glad it's still working. Why should I have to play video games of the lowest common denominator as far as PC hardware is concerned. Who givers you the right to draw the line in the sand and say ESO MUST WORK ON MY HORRIBLY OUT-OF-DATE PC. If you want to play on the premium platform then YOU should expect to keep it relatively up to date.

You can probably spend 30-50$ to upgrade so you are able to use it. ZOS has been MORE THAN compromising with this. DX 11 has been out A LONG TIME.

Actually,I paid for a game that didnt say that I had better buy a new video card in two years or I would be able to play it.There were no warnings on the box.
Also,where did I say you had to play anything,much less a game with the lowest common denominator,which ESO isnt. I commented on you saying that people should get a console.That's what you say to them.Those were your words.

You misunderstand me when I say people have to play to the lowest common denominator. Why should the majority of us have to play to the lowest common denominator of PC players who won't keep their hardware reasonably up to date. You can buy a DX11 compatible video card very very cheaply as well.

If you are playing on hardware that is as low grade or even inferior to the new consoles why would you even use a PC for your gaming platform in the first place?

If YOU CHOOSE to play on the PC platform YOU have to understand that gaming companies get that it is the premier platform for gaming. Most other gamers understand this as well and upgrade responsibly. In fact, most gamers like it when they are forced to upgrade, they don't complain about it.

So, again, if you are the time of gamer that doesn't want to have to upgrade their PC then you belong on the console.

joker0137

yes

Thanks for playing, but bye-bye now!

Q_Man

yes

People with a Dx 9,10 card can try dxcpl.exe, just google it you need to get a software development kit from microsoft,it emulates the dx11. I havent tried it but maybe it works

Khaos_Bane

no

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

It isn't fair that they bought a game with particular requirements stated on the box, and then those requirements are changed on them. I would say that ZoS essentially stole their money on this move, although it seems very legal and all. Just morally repugnant.

Give me a break. Anyone who has been gaming for any length of time knows technology advances and evolves and hardware will have to be upgraded. It's not like they are asking you to spend hundreds of dollars even.

Go play on a console. Again, if you want to play with big people toys then understand you will most likely have to upgrade components from time to time.

There it is again"Go play on a console".
You just cant stop with it,can you? Not all people want to play on console. I bet that's what you play on,and expect everyone to comply with your ideas of what should be.
Many people are living on a fixed income and just cant cough up money for a new card without knowing ahead of time.Like say a month.NOT a year back.
Look,no,it isnt expensive to get a new card,but it can,for those who didnt remember due to life getting the way,be a problem.And,for my part,medical problems caused me to not think about it every day of the year until they just implement it. I have since borrowed from a friend to buy a new one and it will be here tomorrow.
Happiness once again.I dont care about lag,but I do care that my money is locked into a game I cant play at the moment.
All grousing at eachother aside. :}

I am not trying to be insulting by saying go play console. You just have to understand what you are getting into with PC gaming. ZOS isn't even asking you to spend much money at all and has very reasonable PC requirements. ESO is very friendly for a wide range of performance already, so it's very forgiving.

Basically what I am saying is, don't go buy a Ferrari then expect to pay Toyota corolla prices for repairs and upgrades in the future.

Elsonso

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dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

no

cant have all games building on the lowest common denominator now can we.

Volkodav

yes

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Saltypretzels wrote: »

It isn't fair that they bought a game with particular requirements stated on the box, and then those requirements are changed on them. I would say that ZoS essentially stole their money on this move, although it seems very legal and all. Just morally repugnant.

Give me a break. Anyone who has been gaming for any length of time knows technology advances and evolves and hardware will have to be upgraded. It's not like they are asking you to spend hundreds of dollars even.

Go play on a console. Again, if you want to play with big people toys then understand you will most likely have to upgrade components from time to time.

There it is again"Go play on a console".
You just cant stop with it,can you? Not all people want to play on console. I bet that's what you play on,and expect everyone to comply with your ideas of what should be.
Many people are living on a fixed income and just cant cough up money for a new card without knowing ahead of time.Like say a month.NOT a year back.
Look,no,it isnt expensive to get a new card,but it can,for those who didnt remember due to life getting the way,be a problem.And,for my part,medical problems caused me to not think about it every day of the year until they just implement it. I have since borrowed from a friend to buy a new one and it will be here tomorrow.
Happiness once again.I dont care about lag,but I do care that my money is locked into a game I cant play at the moment.
All grousing at eachother aside. :}

I am not trying to be insulting by saying go play console. You just have to understand what you are getting into with PC gaming. ZOS isn't even asking you to spend much money at all and has very reasonable PC requirements. ESO is very friendly for a wide range of performance already, so it's very forgiving.

Basically what I am saying is, don't go buy a Ferrari then expect to pay Toyota corolla prices for repairs and upgrades in the future.

I understand the need to upgrade.I really do.However,not being warned except for notice an entire year ago doesnt make it a fun thing.To just go into your game,after being on the forums for weeks without the mention of DX11,only to find you cant play at all isnt right.Period.I dont care what you might think about everyone constantly updating their computers,and mine isnt a crap computer,but a nice little email as a reminder for everyone maybe a month beforehand would have made a lot of angry people here rather happy.And it isnt only ME who is unhappy. Many people are stunned by the immediate change.
Can you show me where they said with the new DLC that no one without DX11 support would be able to play? And within say three months at lesst?
Perhaps we should agree to disagree then?

Muizer

yes

Yes. Nvidia 3D vision and DX11 don't go well together in many cases. Trust me, no amount of gfx "improvements" outweighs the loss of 3D. The transition to DX 11 has lead me to abandon 2 of my favourite game series (Total War and Assassin's creed) and when I read about the discontinuation of DX9 I thought I'd probably be abandoning ESO too. As it turns out, by some miracle, 3D in ESO still works fairly well...............for now.

Garldeen

yes

Just a shame they couldn't have found a solution which some sort of legacy version was made. People with older systems could still play the game as it was earlier this week, but with the understanding that no future updates or DLC would be compatible.

I recall reading something about FFXIV shutting down the PS3 version at some point in the near future. It will be interesting to see how they handle that. I suspect that PS3 players will still be able to play the current zones but not access any new ones as they will not be realising expansions for PS3. This seems a much better solution than just turning the game off for a lot of people.

There again, I'm a business- man, not a programmer

Arkvoril

yes

JD2013 wrote: »

I do feel very sorry for them.

However, technology changes and upgrades. PC gaming requires hardware upgrades every couple of years. It can be an expensive hobby.

+1

DeVoDeVo

yes

The less people are able to play, the less potential revenue for Zos. If enough people are having problems it *will* eventually impact your gameplay. In that sense, I feel sorry that these people cannot play the game.

Just something for those of you with no remorse to consider.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

no

DeVoDeVo wrote: »

The less people are able to play, the less potential revenue for Zos. If enough people are having problems it *will* eventually impact your gameplay. In that sense, I feel sorry that these people cannot play the game.

Just something for those of you with no remorse to consider.

So you think people who wont spend $50 on a video card will spend money on the game? Or is it more likely they will just play for free without paying a dime ever except the box?

Zorrashi

yes

Well of course I feel sorry for them. Particularly if they cannot replace the game card with ease (like on certain laptops) or legitimately cannot access the hardware necessary. It can get expensive.

I do not expect ESO to not expand and better itself with the new technology available, but it can be beyond frustrating if that game you have paid for and been playing for a few years all of sudden is no longer compatible with your machine.

This is on top of the fact that ZOS did not adequately communicate about this upgrade. The only reason I knew about it was because I visit the forum often enough and just-so-happened to chance upon the info. But there was no email, no announcement on the launcher and otherwise no substantial mode of relaying this information. For many people this upgrade came unexpectedly and without forewarning.

Krayor

yes

There have been a lot of myths being perpetuated by naive apologists (the notion that one needs to upgrade every couple year is an example). They think because they know how to plug a card into a slot that they have knowledge of everything PC Gaming while embracing ignorant notions about it.

This isn't the enthusiast's hobby of the 90s anymore. PC gaming has been made substantially more accessible to casual users (how do you think many of YOU in this thread were able to access it). The average user tends to be a slow adopter. They stick with what they are familiar with and shy away from new technology. All they care about is if it works, and as long as it works, they will blissfully play with what they have, never understanding (or even caring) that anything can be improved on their end. This is a large reason why application development (including PC games) moves at a snails pace compared to hardware development, and why older technologies tend to be supported years after their prominence.

This isn't even touching on how console development has affected PC development over the years, since many games are supported on both platforms. It's viable to play the vast majority of PC games today on older systems.

Recognize that this change may not require merely a GPU upgrade, but could require an OS upgrade as well. Blame that on Micro$oft's policy of holding Direct X hostage behind new operating systems in order to sell more copies. I still troubleshoot a substantial amount of XP machines. As said above, users are slow adopters. That's just reality. I guess it's great to be young with little to no consideration for money, but I imagine for most adults this is a large consideration. As the sum of upgrading can be substantial, especially with an OS upgrade, and not likely to be done for a video game.

Support for older tech, like DX 9, doesn't prevent support for newer technologies. Example being that this game always supported DX 11 as well as DX 9. So it isn't about progress. This is a case of ZoS not supporting DX 9 anymore and screwing over a portion of the player base due to it. It could be cost cutting for lack of funds, incompetence, or just pure laziness. Point is that this move was unnecessary for continued support of DX 11. Also, you apologists would not be affected by continued DX9 support whatsoever, and your posts display an incredibly self-centered worldview. This change will likely have a negative impact of reduced population, though. Not good for anyone.

Not everyone is like you, nor should you expect them to be. That's a selfish attitude.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

no

If you require an OS upgrade for dx 11 that means you are running windows xp. How long are they supposed to support these old outdated technologies? I bought an Amiga 1000 years ago for over $2000 with the monitor and everything. Its basically a door stop I use to play a couple old games i still like.

Digielf

yes

You should feel bad for the game not for the players, this update killed every chance for it to even reach 10% of WoW 's population. Now its another dead mmo in the big ocean

The sad is that the people who play it now are those who gave it a second chance after its ultimate failure on launch but with the recent update they throw out even their remaining players

Sausage

no

Not really. Most people use DX11 anyway.

FortheloveofKrist

Weberda wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

I do feel very sorry for them.

However, technology changes and upgrades. PC gaming requires hardware upgrades every couple of years. It can be an expensive hobby.

There is no way they should have released this DLC in this state. Only in the MMO industry can you get away with such a travesty.

"Travesty" is a bit hyperbolic. WPP, methinks.

Katahdin

no

No because sooner or later they will have to upgrade to play any new game. The technology evolves old Dx versions become obsolete and companies develop for the new ones because it makes for better games. Like almost any hobby, this costs money to stay current.

Preyfar

yes

I think my only issue is that upgrade to DX11 didn't come with any improvements. Although the textures look a bit crisper, there's no real benefit graphically to warrant the upgrade (yet). My FPS has dropped to 20-30 while looking at a wall in Cyrodiil, and FPS has dropped across the board. My GTX 980 Ti can handle any other game, but when it comes to ESO it starts to choke.

I just wish the updates were in a bit better place to make the transition worthwhile.

Tandor

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well it doesn't have to devolve into console vs pc here, I was just stating why I personally chose to play on console.

I also have a beast of a rig that streams and plays eso on ultra @ 70FPS.

That's not the point lol I choose to play my PS4 and I still feel bad for people that are forced into spending money they don't have or not playing a game they love is all.

They need to take that into account when they purchase PC games, it's no different than any other product, especially tech products.

Like the big screen TV you paid for 5 years ago which is virtually worth nothing right now. This is part of the process, and who wants companies stopping their evolution because a few people get upset that their FAR OUTDATED HARDWARE doesn't run the software.

Have some personal responsibility and get a console is what I say to them.

Why should I have to play on a console when I have never wanted to before.I had one,a PS3 and gave the d-a-m-n thing a way.I hate console,but there are those who love it.Fine by me,but I shouldnt have to play one if I dont want to.Also,ESO never said I had to when I bought it.
Oh,and my 11 year old big screen tv works great.Just an FYI.

I said your TV isn't worth anything, glad it's still working. Why should I have to play video games of the lowest common denominator as far as PC hardware is concerned. Who givers you the right to draw the line in the sand and say ESO MUST WORK ON MY HORRIBLY OUT-OF-DATE PC. If you want to play on the premium platform then YOU should expect to keep it relatively up to date.

You can probably spend 30-50$ to upgrade so you are able to use it. ZOS has been MORE THAN compromising with this. DX 11 has been out A LONG TIME.

Actually,I paid for a game that didnt say that I had better buy a new video card in two years or I would be able to play it.There were no warnings on the box.
Also,where did I say you had to play anything,much less a game with the lowest common denominator,which ESO isnt. I commented on you saying that people should get a console.That's what you say to them.Those were your words.

Actually there is a warning on the box. Both the original box and the Tamriel Unlimited box carry the warning "System requirements are subject to change over time", and the Tamriel Unlimited box shows the minimum requirements as DX11.

SHADOW2KK

no

Nope sorry, gaming tech moves on, so move with it or get left behind.

People who dont upgrade their rigs are letting down those of us that do, and the game at large has to stay with antiquated tech.

DX9 is fossilised, so is DX10, even DX11 has been out for years, a entry level DX11 Nvidia or AMD card are cheap as, even getting a crappy quad core and low speed 8 gig of ram is dirt cheap.

Not meaning all this to sound really bad to ancient rig using gamers, but sorry, tech moves on, and games should move with it.

System Requirements show if your PC can handle a game, or go to console:P

goatlyonesub17_ESO

yes

I had to get a new PC to play the game. It's a pretty good computer that set me back $1600. I probably needed to upgrade anyway, since my last computer was bought back in 2010, but the ESO patch dictated the timing and to some extent the size of the upgrade. I feel sorry mostly for people who don't have the money to do what I did.

Spearshard

no

I will say that it was a d!ck move on ZOS part not to have the fact more well advertised. However, that being said, I'm sorry, but even my pos starter comp I had years ago was dx11 capable. I'm not saying it could run high setting, but seriously, dx11 in terms of computers is like a car from 1940, guys don't complain because technology left you behind and you didn't bother to keep up.

Minno

yes

JD2013 wrote: »

I do feel very sorry for them.

However, technology changes and upgrades. PC gaming requires hardware upgrades every couple of years. It can be an expensive hobby.

For a game with a casual RPG design intent, moving to direct x11 felt more tayliored to hardcore PC gamers due to hardware based limitations.

Those of us that did our research and stayed away from nvidia didn't get left out.