Do you feel bad for the players that can no longer play ESO because of DX11?

SantieClaws

yes

I'd be gutted if I woke up today and couldn't log in anymore. I do feel horrible for those who now find themselves unable to play.

But I'd pull up my boots and save up as fast as I could to get back in game again.

Tankqull

no

The_Tip wrote: »

yeah this is a little b.s. for people who subbed for months, and or bought into DLC.

I get you have to ugprade the game, but at a cost of the consumers who've already paid a substantial amount of money it is a little bit of a kick in the nuts to those people.

I stick with console because I don't feel like 'upgrading' every 3-6 months, I prefer to do it every 5-10 years when a new console is released.

I played this on PC for 5 months, and was not impressed with the PVP Lag, the grouping or lack there of, and the community as a whole was just not as engaging or as helpful as Xbox has been. Sure the graphics are better, and you got Mod's, but honestly a game like this Im more interested in the size/character of the community Im going to be playing with. Besides the PTS, and first time playing ESO, PC was a disappointment for me.

sorry but if you are able to subscribe for 3-6months you are able to purchase hardware 5 years old capable of running dx11.

Turelus

no

They warned everyone about this well in advance.

Also they can't continue to hold the game back for the few using older systems. I am sure they looked at the statistic of who was using machines effected by this changed and it can't have been a substantial amount if they made this choice going forwards.

A system which can run this isn't that expensive and if PC gaming is you hobby you should probably be looking at a newer system any way.

Göttermutter

The Eso64-client.exe runs perfect (with some handicaps in PvP) and brings you at least 5 or 1o% more performances.
My sytem is a windows 7/ 64 bit, based on amd and a ati Grafic card in high ends, more you must not now.
I guess the direct x 11 now does his job and the 64 client has his problems.
In PvP check out the line of alliances and the option of booster ( the 3o% faster mover), this works not on the 64 client in my opinion.

Uviryth

no

Honestly I didn`t even expect this to be an issue for any PC-Gamer. I mean seriously, what gamer runs a 5+ years old graphics card?
It`s like a consoleplayer complaining that he can`t play Bloodborne on his PS3.

newtinmpls

Errr....what are we talking about? What is DX1 anyway?

Jade1986

no

No. Cards that only support DX9 are not just old, they are VEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY old. I have a GTX 690 and it is 3 years old now and still supports dx11, so those cards others are using must be downright ancient.

Rakkul

yes

Irrespective of opinions on what people should or should not be running on their rig - to block out a section of the player base, literally overnight, is bad for the game.

Will yesterday's patch bring in the same number of players who now cannot play? - Doubt it, at this stage of ESO's life the patch is more about keeping people interested the game.

So a patch that blocks out a portion of player base has to be seen as less than successful in that respect.

coolmodi

no

The last dx10 cards are from 2009(!), a dx11 card with the same performance as the latest high-end dx10 ones costs way under 50€ used. Cards like the HD5770 can be found for as low as 20€ used. You may even find people who just give them to you...

If you don't happen to have a high end dx10 GPU like the GTX 280 or HD 4870 (or the dual GPU versions) you will even get a perforamnce upgrade out of it.

Only people who "play" on really old notebooks without upgrade capability are probably out of luck. But I can't imagine someone playing the game at 640x480 on a super old notebook GPU

SantieClaws

yes

Got to bear in mind also that the playerbase is distributed across quite a wide geographical area.

Not everyone has access to the tech and the low prices that many of the US based players benefit from.

Some people play on old systems because it really is all they can get.

Kippesnikke

yes

a *** disgrace

Göttermutter

I play on the highest solution (HD) with 144 Mhz and dont respect a fps of 55, even not in PvP.
My card can handle also direct 12.
I guess it is not the problem of grafics.
I guess it is the problem of 32 or 64 bit windows and if this systems are not orginal.
Normaly a orginal windows does update the necessay net frame works.
Than you need for this game minimum 8 gigabyte rams, why? After some patches tthey pusched up the ram usings so much that a 4 gibate system can not handle anymore, means a 32 windows with 4 gigabyte rams can only handle 3,4 gigabyte rams, to less.

stewart.leslie76b16_ESO

Turelus wrote: »

They warned everyone about this well in advance.

Also they can't continue to hold the game back for the few using older systems. I am sure they looked at the statistic of who was using machines effected by this changed and it can't have been a substantial amount if they made this choice going forwards.

A system which can run this isn't that expensive and if PC gaming is you hobby you should probably be looking at a newer system any way.

It's funny you should say that....

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

Now I understand when the decision was made DX11 ruled the waves (and to be fair, as it should), but where the hell did DX8 come from!!!!

Bodycounter

Uviryth wrote: »

Honestly I didn`t even expect this to be an issue for any PC-Gamer. I mean seriously, what gamer runs a 5+ years old graphics card?
It`s like a consoleplayer complaining that he can`t play Bloodborne on his PS3.

Mmh, i don't believe there are many people with graphic cards without DX11, but: As far as i know people who play on Linux (or other OS than Windows) for example could get problems now.

Uber_Lord

yes

Lol ancient specs:
Core 2 Quad Q9400 @ 3.5GHz
GTX 285 1GB
4GB ddr2 RAM
1TB HDD
750W PSU
Pretty much squeezed out the maximum out of this rig

Sucks how I've been playing ESO on max settings without any problem and now it won't even run. Tried forcing OPENGL didn't help. Maybe devs also switched to higher OpenGl level. The only lags were in Cyrodil.

GTX 285 was top of the line single GPU when I bought it. One of the hottest and most power hungry GPUs out there. In some games gets up to 90C degrees. At one point in Far Cry 3 at max settings it reached 102C degrees when PC wasn't cleaned for over a year.
Guess it's pretty much over for this rig. Lasted me since early 2009. 1 TB Seagate HDD surprisingly still kicking. PC was on 24/7 all the time and all components still alive

Guess I'll be playing Arma 3 and RO2 until the end of year and wait for new GPU series until I build a new PC Wondering how will AMD and Nvidia with their HBM compare and how will multi GPU configuration work.
Funny thing is I pretty much skipped DX11 through it's lifetime and will build another PC for Vulcan/dx12

lardvader

yes

Well yes - one of the guys in our guild and maybe the biggest fan of us didn't know about this and discovered it while he tried to log in yesterday.

That said I totally support the decision. We're not talking 2 year technology here. I'm using my 3rd generation of DX11 supported gfx and you can get a new card fairly cheap.

Duiwel

no

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

660ti pe is a dx11 compatible card. You should have no issues running the game.

SHHHH!!!....

I wanted an excuse to buy a new one

I thought this thread was about DX12 though? 660TI isn't DX12 though...

That's good news though, means I can wait for my 1000 series ( excited )

PriorityBalle

no

Why would i feel sorry for someone who doesn't deserve my pity ?

jcasini222ub17_ESO

yes

This thread is hilarious, can really see empathy and the *** everyone got mine attitude so ingrained in society today. But a few points.

Esotu comibines mmo and rpg elements (like its billed as for sale). This brings together traditional mmo players and players who have been strictly single player gamers. Interestingly, some of the combat elements have become easier compared to launch, its gotten more casual not a 'leet mmofest'. Those who have been playing mmo's from the early days know changing tech is par for the course, even moreso if a gamer just aims for min reqs. However, would I expect an Elder Scrolls player, soley single player es person and gamer in general, to be looped in on the reality of mmo games, not really. I can easily the people who came to this game that weren't used to mmo's waking up this week and being locked out not knowing why- that reaility sucks for them dont deny it.

I dont use facebook/twitter/barely lurk on reddit anymore but can someone fill me in on this point: was the dx11 info posted multiple times to facebook/twitter/reddit? Did they give reminders at the 1 yr, 6 month, 3 month and recurring sub dates in relation to march 7 as a cutoff across all communication mediums? I only knew this change was happening because I read the forums, daily. I didnt recieve an email about it. This illustrates how giving notice and making known can be two radically different concepts.

So of course I feel bad for fellow gamers that have ended their esotu journey, and I fully understand why they did it and thats fine too, maintaining d9,d11,d12 would have been headache maintain. But I do have empathy. Feeling bad for those now left behind and understanding that tech advances (which is awesome) aren't mutually exclusive.

Khaos_Bane

no

yodased wrote: »

Well it doesn't have to devolve into console vs pc here, I was just stating why I personally chose to play on console.

I also have a beast of a rig that streams and plays eso on ultra @ 70FPS.

That's not the point lol I choose to play my PS4 and I still feel bad for people that are forced into spending money they don't have or not playing a game they love is all.

They need to take that into account when they purchase PC games, it's no different than any other product, especially tech products.

Like the big screen TV you paid for 5 years ago which is virtually worth nothing right now. This is part of the process, and who wants companies stopping their evolution because a few people get upset that their FAR OUTDATED HARDWARE doesn't run the software.

Have some personal responsibility and get a console is what I say to them.

jkemmery

yes

I feel sorry for anyone who can't afford a $30.00 graphics card.

dimensional

no

jkemmery wrote: »

I feel sorry for anyone who can't afford a $30.00 graphics card.

lol

jkemmery

yes

dimensional wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

I feel sorry for anyone who can't afford a $30.00 graphics card.

lol

Can a fella get an awesome???

Shelgon

no

Sounds like a L2P issue tbh.

KanedaSyndrome

no

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Well I have the feeling they will be forced to return the dx9 and dx10 capability. Because I bet 90% of players have those types of dx and don't have the software to support dx11.

Sorry, you don't know what you're talking about.

95%+ of the PC gamers in ESO will have DirectX 11 Compatibility. Also, DirectX 11 compatibility comes from the GPU you use (hardware) and has nothing to do with software. The DirectX driver itself is a piece of software though.

DHale

no

We complain about the lag and bugs, etc... Which there are plenty. So when they actually attempt to fix it we get mad at them. You will be the first ppl to stand in line for a I phone 7 but can't be bothered to upgrade software. Kappa

Lucius_Aelius

yes

I do feel sorry for them, but that's the nature of PC Gaming, and also why I prefer gaming on a Console, less expensive and fewer rude surprises like this to worry about. I'd love to game on a PC, but as this just further demonstrates it can be quite expensive.

Volkodav

yes

zadrotscrolls wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Dhukath wrote: »

Yes, a new graphics card is not something everyone can afford, no matter how long they've known this was coming.
However there are other options
Run dx11 games on dx10 graphics card

Link didnt work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-qsPyZfAJw

I did this with a program suggested here,but it still wont work for some reason.

Volkodav

yes

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well it doesn't have to devolve into console vs pc here, I was just stating why I personally chose to play on console.

I also have a beast of a rig that streams and plays eso on ultra @ 70FPS.

That's not the point lol I choose to play my PS4 and I still feel bad for people that are forced into spending money they don't have or not playing a game they love is all.

They need to take that into account when they purchase PC games, it's no different than any other product, especially tech products.

Like the big screen TV you paid for 5 years ago which is virtually worth nothing right now. This is part of the process, and who wants companies stopping their evolution because a few people get upset that their FAR OUTDATED HARDWARE doesn't run the software.

Have some personal responsibility and get a console is what I say to them.

Why should I have to play on a console when I have never wanted to before.I had one,a PS3 and gave the d-a-m-n thing a way.I hate console,but there are those who love it.Fine by me,but I shouldnt have to play one if I dont want to.Also,ESO never said I had to when I bought it.
Oh,and my 11 year old big screen tv works great.Just an FYI.

Saltypretzels

yes

It isn't fair that they bought a game with particular requirements stated on the box, and then those requirements are changed on them. I would say that ZoS essentially stole their money on this move, although it seems very legal and all. Just morally repugnant.