Official Feedback Thread for Templars

Derra

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Mr. @Wrobel one of the reasons why people feel being treated bad on the templar class can be illustrated on the enduring rays passive of the templar class:

Enduring rays supposedly will buff the duration of eclipse and morphs and sunfire and morphs.

However on pts enduring rays 1/2 does not increase the dmg of the sunfire dot component and the reflective light dot component. It does increase the vampires bane morph dot dmg.

Having 2/2 enduring rays will not further increase the vampires bane morph dmg but now magically will increase the base ability and reflective light dot dmg.

On top of this enduring rays is directly harmful to the use of the new unstable core morph. What´s the point in increasing the duration a spell takes to explode without increasing its dmg aswell - with 0/2 enduring rays unstable core takes 5s to explode with 2/2 it takes 6.5s to explode for the same amount of dmg. How can this oversight happen?

If you want to use unstable core don´t spec enduring rays at all. If you want to use vampires bane spec 1/2 into enduring rays. For reflective light spec 2/2 into enduring rays. If you want to use a combination - WELL TOUGH LUCK.


The main offender for most templars is not the general state of the class (as far as i understand it) but how bugridden with borderline useless certain skills and passives are.
Why is the templar charge bug still not fixed...

And imho this very reasoning is the prime one for complains about classabilities in general. Abilities and morphs are not working consistently to the games mechanic or not even to how their tooltip suggests.

Iyas

Derra wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Mr. @Wrobel one of the reasons why people feel being treated bad on the templar class can be illustrated on the enduring rays passive of the templar class:

Enduring rays supposedly will buff the duration of eclipse and morphs and sunfire and morphs.

However on pts enduring rays 1/2 does not increase the dmg of the sunfire dot component and the reflective light dot component. It does increase the vampires bane morph dot dmg.

Having 2/2 enduring rays will not further increase the vampires bane morph dmg but now magically will increase the base ability and reflective light dot dmg.

On top of this enduring rays is directly harmful to the use of the new unstable core morph. What´s the point in increasing the duration a spell takes to explode without increasing its dmg aswell - with 0/2 enduring rays unstable core takes 5s to explode with 2/2 it takes 6.5s to explode for the same amount of dmg. How can this oversight happen?

If you want to use unstable core don´t spec enduring rays at all. If you want to use vampires bane spec 1/2 into enduring rays. For reflective light spec 2/2 into enduring rays. If you want to use a combination - WELL TOUGH LUCK.


The main offender for most templars is not the general state of the class (as far as i understand it) but how bugridden with borderline useless certain skills and passives are.
Why is the templar charge bug still not fixed...

And imho this very reasoning is the prime one for complains about classabilities in general. Abilities and morphs are not working consistently to the games mechanic or not even to how their tooltip suggests.

Quote for Mr. Wrobel

Mr_Nobody

I'm happy Wrobler corrected Ginas post about templars being strong and explained all the buffs and fixes we received. It went from "still very powerful" to "very powerful". Next DLC it's going to be "Not sure if powerful"

dodgehopper_ESO

Derra wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Mr. @Wrobel one of the reasons why people feel being treated bad on the templar class can be illustrated on the enduring rays passive of the templar class:

Enduring rays supposedly will buff the duration of eclipse and morphs and sunfire and morphs.

However on pts enduring rays 1/2 does not increase the dmg of the sunfire dot component and the reflective light dot component. It does increase the vampires bane morph dot dmg.

Having 2/2 enduring rays will not further increase the vampires bane morph dmg but now magically will increase the base ability and reflective light dot dmg.

On top of this enduring rays is directly harmful to the use of the new unstable core morph. What´s the point in increasing the duration a spell takes to explode without increasing its dmg aswell - with 0/2 enduring rays unstable core takes 5s to explode with 2/2 it takes 6.5s to explode for the same amount of dmg. How can this oversight happen?

If you want to use unstable core don´t spec enduring rays at all. If you want to use vampires bane spec 1/2 into enduring rays. For reflective light spec 2/2 into enduring rays. If you want to use a combination - WELL TOUGH LUCK.


The main offender for most templars is not the general state of the class (as far as i understand it) but how bugridden with borderline useless certain skills and passives are.
Why is the templar charge bug still not fixed...

And imho this very reasoning is the prime one for complains about classabilities in general. Abilities and morphs are not working consistently to the games mechanic or not even to how their tooltip suggests.

Enduring rays is not the only culprit in the passive lineup. Most other classes have passives that are more universally useful. Templar has a lot of passives that only effect a few skills, and questionably at that. A prime example of this is Enduring Rays, Light Weaver, and Focused Healing. You'll note that all 3 of these are only really useful on 3 skills in their line, versus almost every other passive in other classes at least hitting a full skill line and often more. Compare the universality of something like disintegrate vs. burning light. I'm not fully clear if disintegrate has to pay the same cooldown issues as burning light either. As many have said Templar also has the weakest passives when it comes to resource management. These are issues that ought to be discussed as well. In short the passives a Templar uses are very narrow and have poor magnitude.

Nifty2g

for the last time
make cresent sweep apply major sorcery
make radial sweep apply major brutality

EgoRush

Derra wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Mr. @Wrobel one of the reasons why people feel being treated bad on the templar class can be illustrated on the enduring rays passive of the templar class:

Enduring rays supposedly will buff the duration of eclipse and morphs and sunfire and morphs.

However on pts enduring rays 1/2 does not increase the dmg of the sunfire dot component and the reflective light dot component. It does increase the vampires bane morph dot dmg.

Having 2/2 enduring rays will not further increase the vampires bane morph dmg but now magically will increase the base ability and reflective light dot dmg.

On top of this enduring rays is directly harmful to the use of the new unstable core morph. What´s the point in increasing the duration a spell takes to explode without increasing its dmg aswell - with 0/2 enduring rays unstable core takes 5s to explode with 2/2 it takes 6.5s to explode for the same amount of dmg. How can this oversight happen?

If you want to use unstable core don´t spec enduring rays at all. If you want to use vampires bane spec 1/2 into enduring rays. For reflective light spec 2/2 into enduring rays. If you want to use a combination - WELL TOUGH LUCK.


The main offender for most templars is not the general state of the class (as far as i understand it) but how bugridden with borderline useless certain skills and passives are.
Why is the templar charge bug still not fixed...

And imho this very reasoning is the prime one for complains about classabilities in general. Abilities and morphs are not working consistently to the games mechanic or not even to how their tooltip suggests.

You made me think up an idea for how Enduring Rays could benefit Unstable Core if the ability is tweaked. Since it no longer reflects enemy spells, how about this: for each spell cast by someone afflicted by Unstable Core a percentage of the damage is stored up, the total damage stored then explodes (perhaps with a bonus applied). So it's similar to Backlash but based on the victims damage output. This way the longer someone is affected by it the more damage they potentially store up that will explode on them and others around them.

I'd say to keep the base damage (or maybe reduce it in lieu of the bonus damage from casting spells while afflicted) so that if people break free immediately they are still taking damage. However, it effectively silences people who don't have the stamina to break free and will kill people that don't understand the ability as they'll spam cast and receive the revenge damage.

technohic

i can't believe people keep spending so much time making suggestions still. This is the exact same thing happening that happened around 1.6. Even the devs saying they realize there's room for improvement. At that time l, we got radiant destruction in an OP form supposedly to improve burst while blinding flashes went away and blazing shield became a liability without stacking a second shield. Then RD got nerfed and they continued to address more powerful shields making blazing shield even more worthless. They asked for feedback leading up to this patch saying it would be the one.


So here we are. Charge doesn't work. The snare we suggests for jabs is on the last hit rather than during the channel. Shield still worthless. Rune focus nerf. BOL nerfed. But hey, they buffed dark flare in a way no one thinks we needed which,will be the next nerf while they talk about getting to it next time.

Any suggestions and feedback are a waste of time. All you can do is make it work as is like Blabafat does or one of the stamplars that barely use Templars abilities, or move to a different class or a different game. And if you don't like those options yet continue to give them your money and time; you're part of the problem.

danno8

EgoRush wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Mr. @Wrobel one of the reasons why people feel being treated bad on the templar class can be illustrated on the enduring rays passive of the templar class:

Enduring rays supposedly will buff the duration of eclipse and morphs and sunfire and morphs.

However on pts enduring rays 1/2 does not increase the dmg of the sunfire dot component and the reflective light dot component. It does increase the vampires bane morph dot dmg.

Having 2/2 enduring rays will not further increase the vampires bane morph dmg but now magically will increase the base ability and reflective light dot dmg.

On top of this enduring rays is directly harmful to the use of the new unstable core morph. What´s the point in increasing the duration a spell takes to explode without increasing its dmg aswell - with 0/2 enduring rays unstable core takes 5s to explode with 2/2 it takes 6.5s to explode for the same amount of dmg. How can this oversight happen?

If you want to use unstable core don´t spec enduring rays at all. If you want to use vampires bane spec 1/2 into enduring rays. For reflective light spec 2/2 into enduring rays. If you want to use a combination - WELL TOUGH LUCK.


The main offender for most templars is not the general state of the class (as far as i understand it) but how bugridden with borderline useless certain skills and passives are.
Why is the templar charge bug still not fixed...

And imho this very reasoning is the prime one for complains about classabilities in general. Abilities and morphs are not working consistently to the games mechanic or not even to how their tooltip suggests.

You made me think up an idea for how Enduring Rays could benefit Unstable Core if the ability is tweaked. Since it no longer reflects enemy spells, how about this: for each spell cast by someone afflicted by Unstable Core a percentage of the damage is stored up, the total damage stored then explodes (perhaps with a bonus applied). So it's similar to Backlash but based on the victims damage output. This way the longer someone is affected by it the more damage they potentially store up that will explode on them and others around them.

I'd say to keep the base damage (or maybe reduce it in lieu of the bonus damage from casting spells while afflicted) so that if people break free immediately they are still taking damage. However, it effectively silences people who don't have the stamina to break free and will kill people that don't understand the ability as they'll spam cast and receive the revenge damage.

Or just change it so the abilities affected last 20% longer AND do 20% more damage.

Bashev

technohic wrote: »

i can't believe people keep spending so much time making suggestions still.

Exactly this. Why shall I make suggestions if ZoS does not consider them. Even if they do, it takes them 5 months to implement them (Magicka DKs are dead since October - they might have a chance in March). Who knows whether I will play this game in another 5 months.

Joy_Division

These 78 pages are bright shining example why ZoS's practice of doing all class-balance in house with zero transparency and zero input from the community is a terrible and inefficient idea.

So many feelings of anger, disgust, and hurt could have been avoided had there been actual two way communication and player input into the changes to templars.

Cinbri

Joy_Division wrote: »

These 78 pages are bright shining example why ZoS's practice of doing all class-balance in house with zero transparency and zero input from the community is a terrible and inefficient idea.

So many feelings of anger, disgust, and hurt could have been avoided had their been actual two way communication and player input into the changes to templars.

We got this now
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/250628/split-content#latest

booksmcread

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

You've had plenty of time to fix templar abilities and passives, but you adamantly refuse to do so. You also refuse to temper nerfs to the class which were not needed. At the very least, your post and inaction on doing anything productive for templars despite 78+ pages of discussion (which included a lot of good and reasonable suggestions) shows us how much you care about your customers. As a result, I have just unsubscribed from your game.

Yudarl

Just a small suggestion:
Sun shield (and it's morphs) used to be a very powerful ability but since IC it's nearly useless. In my opinion Templars need this ability restored in order to gain some tankiness back. Wrobel already said the he'll take a look at this ability in the next dlc but that will be to late in my opinion. So why not give this ability a small buff now and then rework it later?

At the moment a templar with 25k health will get a 3750 shield (around 4.7k with 100 points into bastion) in cyro. That's way to low considering the high cost and the low duration. My suggestion would be to add 2500 base value (not affected by battle spirit) to the shield. With this change a templar with 25k health would get a 6250 (3750+2500) shield in cyro( without champion points) .

This Shouldn't be to hard to implement before TG goes live and would improve the skill quite a bit without making it to strong.
@Wrobel if you are, as you mentioned, aware of the problems this class has, please don't wait till the next dlc to fix them.

TheM0rganism

Itoq wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Templar has a lot of powerful abilities

No doubt, that out of the four houses below, the bottom house is the most secure and uninviting.

Thats funny and all, but the Templar should be using Nova to be perfectly fair.

timidobserver

Itoq wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Templar has a lot of powerful abilities

No doubt, that out of the four houses below, the bottom house is the most secure and uninviting.

Best post in the thread for demonstrating how ignorant his house statement was.

AfkNinja

About the no mobility for Templar, this really makes no sense y'know. We are imbued with the power of LIGHT. Light moves faster than everything, how are we the slowest class? Amiright?

Ghost-Shot

78 pages and Wrobel has only managed one reply basically saying wait a few more months and we might change more things, or we might not. Meanwhile Mark Jacobs personally sends emails to CU backers and provides weekly game updates, odd...

Erock25

Why does everyone keep mentioning CU? I haven't been following it, but doing a bit of research it seems that it has been heavily delayed and has all sorts of issues.

Murmeltier

I love the MMORPG Genre and i can understand that those Games needs Time to evolve. If a Company responds with "Please be Patience, we care and work on it" without delivering what many Players asked for and do this again and again, there is a Point a Player lose his Trust into the Situation.

If a Player reached that Point and get the Answer again "Please be Patience, we work on this", he could think that it is Time to take a break until the Facts are Delivered. My Main is a Templar and i am tired to wait for Improvements and Fixes and Racechange. I reached that Point.

I mean we all can tell us Stories here, how bad or cool this is or could be but at the End it counts what you offer. There was enough Time, enough constructive Feedback & Money from the Players and we get another "Please be Patience, we care and work on this".

I thought over a good Solution for both Sides and i come to the Point that i cancel my Sub, first Time in this Game after two Years. So you can work on all what you want without Pressure and i can take a Holiday from this Situation, it feels right for me now. Dont let ever a Player reach this Point.

Maybe you can deliver some interesting Work for the Future, maybe you can motivate the Players to come back and offer their Money & Feedback, who knows. Thats your Part now, you have all the Time you want, can do what you want, its fine.

If i have the Time and Motivation between the other Games, i will look at the Facts you deliver and decide if they are good enough for me to renew my Subscription or not. I dont discuss this anymore, i am out and i feel really good about this.

Have a nice Evening.

Mfg Murmeltier

Minno

AfkNinja wrote: »

About the no mobility for Templar, this really makes no sense y'know. We are imbued with the power of LIGHT. Light moves faster than everything, how are we the slowest class? Amiright?

Depending on what vantage point and distance light does a few things:

1) reduces your visibility (human visibility angle is around 30 degrees up/down from eye level.)
2) causes increased heat,
3) increases general visibility.

Based on a Templar embracing light as a primary source for our spells it makes sense for the following:

1) therapeutic/feelings of fulfillment being in a well lit environment.(Resto tree)
2) increased dmg over time or cause for fire. (Dawns wrath)
3) use light to blind targets (none available).

One of the above was removed entirely, one received a "buff" via Champion point system overhaul, and one only worked because one spell offered the best mobility.

This is why the community has such a difficult time accepting any ZOS changes. One class does fire based dmg better (DK) and another does blinding/CC better (NB). They together render a Templar "lightless, dark and full of anger".

danno8

Minno wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

About the no mobility for Templar, this really makes no sense y'know. We are imbued with the power of LIGHT. Light moves faster than everything, how are we the slowest class? Amiright?

Depending on what vantage point and distance light does a few things:

1) reduces your visibility (human visibility angle is around 30 degrees up/down from eye level.)
2) causes increased heat,
3) increases general visibility.

Based on a Templar embracing light as a primary source for our spells it makes sense for the following:

1) therapeutic/feelings of fulfillment being in a well lit environment.(Resto tree)
2) increased dmg over time or cause for fire. (Dawns wrath)
3) use light to blind targets (none available).

One of the above was removed entirely, one received a "buff" via Champion point system overhaul, and one only worked because one spell offered the best mobility.

This is why the community has such a difficult time accepting any ZOS changes. One class does fire based dmg better (DK) and another does blinding/CC better (NB). They together render a Templar "lightless, dark and full of anger".

Also the faster you go the heavier you appear to be from an outside perspective.

So maybe Templar just can't get up to light speed because they become huge fatsos when they try?

GhostwalkerLD

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Typed out a response.. but then thought better of it. There just isn't any point anymore. CU it is.

GhostwalkerLD

Zheg wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

This is something you could have said 5 patches ago and it would have been just as true. Templars have waited, and waited, and you haven't delivered. Now it sounds like we're waiting until DB, another 3+ months out - particularly stamplars.

I'm waiting more for CU at this point than I am for you to get the class figured out.

Well said.

dodgehopper_ESO

Derra wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

Mr. @Wrobel one of the reasons why people feel being treated bad on the templar class can be illustrated on the enduring rays passive of the templar class:

Enduring rays supposedly will buff the duration of eclipse and morphs and sunfire and morphs.

However on pts enduring rays 1/2 does not increase the dmg of the sunfire dot component and the reflective light dot component. It does increase the vampires bane morph dot dmg.

Having 2/2 enduring rays will not further increase the vampires bane morph dmg but now magically will increase the base ability and reflective light dot dmg.

On top of this enduring rays is directly harmful to the use of the new unstable core morph. What´s the point in increasing the duration a spell takes to explode without increasing its dmg aswell - with 0/2 enduring rays unstable core takes 5s to explode with 2/2 it takes 6.5s to explode for the same amount of dmg. How can this oversight happen?

If you want to use unstable core don´t spec enduring rays at all. If you want to use vampires bane spec 1/2 into enduring rays. For reflective light spec 2/2 into enduring rays. If you want to use a combination - WELL TOUGH LUCK.


The main offender for most templars is not the general state of the class (as far as i understand it) but how bugridden with borderline useless certain skills and passives are.
Why is the templar charge bug still not fixed...

And imho this very reasoning is the prime one for complains about classabilities in general. Abilities and morphs are not working consistently to the games mechanic or not even to how their tooltip suggests.

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Goofy is how I've described the design of the class for a long time. What you are posting is one among many shining examples (pun intended). Its just goofy. Its as awkward as a sloth on heroine. (No Sloths were harmed, just use your imagination). This awkwardness that is a common thread through the whole class is at the core of all our problems. Templar still sits as nothing more than an idea, the final cohesive vision has just never been met.

dodgehopper_ESO

technohic wrote: »

i can't believe people keep spending so much time making suggestions still. This is the exact same thing happening that happened around 1.6. Even the devs saying they realize there's room for improvement. At that time l, we got radiant destruction in an OP form supposedly to improve burst while blinding flashes went away and blazing shield became a liability without stacking a second shield. Then RD got nerfed and they continued to address more powerful shields making blazing shield even more worthless. They asked for feedback leading up to this patch saying it would be the one.


So here we are. Charge doesn't work. The snare we suggests for jabs is on the last hit rather than during the channel. Shield still worthless. Rune focus nerf. BOL nerfed. But hey, they buffed dark flare in a way no one thinks we needed which,will be the next nerf while they talk about getting to it next time.

Any suggestions and feedback are a waste of time. All you can do is make it work as is like Blabafat does or one of the stamplars that barely use Templars abilities, or move to a different class or a different game. And if you don't like those options yet continue to give them your money and time; you're part of the problem.

I disagree. Giving up and Giving in is not the only option we have. We need to show a little backbone and keep giving them feedback. While I agree it is likely they'll nerf dark flare back just like they did with RD, all of which did nothing for fixing a wide array of problems with the class, I don't think we should necessarily stop giving feedback. Besides, I only give my feedback when I'm on hold on the phone, occassionally when I'm watching the news at home. I'm not losing anything here, and hopefully we'll all gain.

bikerangelo

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

And the award for "Most vague response towards an angry crowd that will ultimately solve nothing and probably makes things worse" goes to...

Hiero_Glyph

bikerangelo wrote: »

Wrobel wrote: »

Thanks to everyone for all of the passionate posts in this thread. Though this is our first response here, we’ve been reading this thread since it started and understand your opinions on the current state of the Templar.

The Thieves Guild update hosts a number of Templar buffs, but we recognize there are still some abilities that are under performing. Overall, the Templar has a lot of powerful abilities that we are happy with, but we feel there is still room for improvement. We will continue to evaluate and gather feedback after Thieves Guild goes live.

And the award for "Most vague response towards an angry crowd that will ultimately solve nothing and probably makes things worse" goes to...

Yeah, at this point the first official response serves as nothing more than a mockery of the official Templar feedback thread. It's far too little, way too late to actually matter and the fact that the timeline is now ~3 months away for the next round of changes makes the fact that this thread was ignored until now so much worse. Passives are still broken and in some cases even worse than they were prevviously (Enduring Rays, Master Ritualist, etc) and don't even get me started on how poorly the active skills were handled. At the very least the passives should have been fixed during the 4-week PTS period.

AfkNinja

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Its as awkward as a sloth on heroine.

Made me LOL. Loudly.

dodgehopper_ESO

AfkNinja wrote: »

About the no mobility for Templar, this really makes no sense y'know. We are imbued with the power of LIGHT. Light moves faster than everything, how are we the slowest class? Amiright?

I think the notion is that we are the juggernaut who stands in the breach, holding the armies of darkness at bay. The fighters guild line tells the story of an ancient war between Ayleid kingdoms, one sided with Merid-nunda and the other with Molag Bal whose daedric/vampiric armies came out of Abagarlas. These stories give a good sense of the theme of the Templar class, actually so does St. Veloth and his hammer. The Martyrdom of St. Pelin is another example of the hero holding the breach, although I fear this punching dummy example is all too fitting since Pelin dies after magically feeding an army of vampires before reinforcements can come and help vanquish the glutted monsters. I can see both sides of the coin, although I do think a teleportation-like movement would be appropriate, and that's why a lot of us love the Vosh Raka leap attack so much.

dodgehopper_ESO

AfkNinja wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Its as awkward as a sloth on heroine.

Made me LOL. Loudly.

I'm glad someone enjoyed it.