Official Feedback Thread for Templars
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joleda4ub17_ESO✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
I have to use all kinds of buttons.
Buttons to heal,
Buttons to buff,
Buttons to run,
Buttons for stuff!
Buttons to restore,
Buttons to stand,
Buttons to remove,
Buttons to damn!
Buttons to see,
Buttons for speed,
Buttons to hide,
Buttons for needs!
I press big buttons,
I press ugly buttons,
I press little buttons,
I press many, many buttons!
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Talyena✭✭✭✭.bowmanz607 wrote: »so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
And that is why it is funny. People wanted it changed as it is obvious you did. You are happy with the change. But then they made another class do it just as well if not better. the pet will heal to targets for cheaper in exactly the same way BoL did.
I get it you are happy with the BoL nerf. But they made another class just as capable of doing what you are complaining about. Which you have to admit is funny. Because people in groups still wont have to run their own heals.
For pve it will be relevant.
Pvp, no sorc is going to run it. Simple as
That is the sad part. They wont. Why would they? They dont need it. To fast, to mobile a pet just gets in the way. Hiding behind a building spamming heals to stay alive? Why on earth would a sorc do that? No need, No that is Templar domain.
Parts of it are funny and parts of it are sad. It is like when the change was first posted and all the sorcs were all, 'who would cast that crap it cost to much' ... But is still cost less then the Templar version. Funny and sad.
They nerf a one of the best abilities a class has and give a better non nerfed version of it to another class, and that class says, I wont even use that.
I might move away from funny and go right into mostly sad.
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joleda4ub17_ESO✭✭✭joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
Well the game got a lot more fun for you. You'll have to use more in your arsenal than bol.
People will have to slot a heal for themselves. How is that making it a solo game??
I only PVP. I only Heal. I didn't choose the BOL morph. I chose Honor the Dead for the extra Magicka recovery. Nobody on my team gives a damn that I don't have BOL, cause I'm good. The fact that some healers have a braincell and made a twerp that your twerp couldn't kill in 1.3 seconds says a lot more about you than it does about me. How dare I not die fast enough! Quit deflecting and making this personal.5 -
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
It's a templar thing, you just wouldn't understand. The mods get it though
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
We practice free speech here in Templar land. And we cried enough the mods leave us alone to our misery now.
Oh crap you arent going to do a stream about how it is unfair templars can bash people in their threads now and mods dont care, are you?19 -
joleda4ub17_ESO✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
We practice free speech here in Templar land. And we cried enough the mods leave us alone to our misery now.
Oh crap you arent going to do a stream about how it is unfair templars can bash people in their threads now and mods dont care, are you?
He should stream how unfair it is that a Templar can have higher Health than his Twilight summon and that his Twilight should heal for more than the Templar to make it fair.0 -
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✭✭✭✭joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
Well the game got a lot more fun for you. You'll have to use more in your arsenal than bol.
People will have to slot a heal for themselves. How is that making it a solo game??
I only PVP. I only Heal. I didn't choose the BOL morph. I chose Honor the Dead for the extra Magicka recovery. Nobody on my team gives a damn that I don't have BOL, cause I'm good. The fact that some healers have a braincell and made a twerp that your twerp couldn't kill in 1.3 seconds says a lot more about you than it does about me. How dare I not die fast enough! Quit deflecting and making this personal.
It's not personal. It's in general and to everyone.
You're a good healer. You use other tools to heal people. That's how it should be. It shouldn't be a one button thing. For every good healer there is 10 bad ones. A good healer was never spamming bol anyway. I have no problem with that.
My issue is a templar spamming bol and just healing random people around them. It's so annoying when someone it getting help they don't even know about just because a templar somewhere near is healing himself.0 -
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✭✭✭✭joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
We practice free speech here in Templar land. And we cried enough the mods leave us alone to our misery now.
Oh crap you arent going to do a stream about how it is unfair templars can bash people in their threads now and mods dont care, are you?
He should stream how unfair it is that a Templar can have higher Health than his Twilight summon and that his Twilight should heal for more than the Templar to make it fair.
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.Edited by Idinuse on February 23, 2016 6:24PMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?5 -
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✭timidobserver wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Well this whole thing became a big deal because a few highly skilled players freaked out when they couldn't bring down a healer by "hammering one button."
one, this did not come about because of a few players so get that thought out of your head. two, i never said that people dont go around spamming one button, i was merely pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed going around spamming one button. Anything that force people away from one button is a good thing imo.0 -
shellin3D✭✭I tested and have seen that Biting Jabs (Puncturing Strikes morph) is not triggering one of the Two Handed passive abilities called "Heavy Weapons" which says that "Axes grant your melee attacks 16% to apply a bleed dealing XXXXX physical damage over 6 seconds." I have a Battle Axe equipped. I always thought that biting jabs is a melee attack especially since it can trigger the Ravager set, Red Diamond, (Impeial passive), and Adrenaline Rush (Redguard passive).
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✭✭✭✭joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
Well the game got a lot more fun for you. You'll have to use more in your arsenal than bol.
People will have to slot a heal for themselves. How is that making it a solo game??
I only PVP. I only Heal. I didn't choose the BOL morph. I chose Honor the Dead for the extra Magicka recovery. Nobody on my team gives a damn that I don't have BOL, cause I'm good. The fact that some healers have a braincell and made a twerp that your twerp couldn't kill in 1.3 seconds says a lot more about you than it does about me. How dare I not die fast enough! Quit deflecting and making this personal.
It's not personal. It's in general and to everyone.
You're a good player. You use other tools to beat people. That's how it should be. It shouldn't be a one button thing. For every good player there is 10 bad ones. A good player was never spamming one button anyway. I have no problem with that.
My issue is a player spamming and just beating people around them. It's so annoying when someone it getting beat and they don't even know about it just because some dps somewhere near is spamming.
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
Well the game got a lot more fun for you. You'll have to use more in your arsenal than bol.
People will have to slot a heal for themselves. How is that making it a solo game??
I only PVP. I only Heal. I didn't choose the BOL morph. I chose Honor the Dead for the extra Magicka recovery. Nobody on my team gives a damn that I don't have BOL, cause I'm good. The fact that some healers have a braincell and made a twerp that your twerp couldn't kill in 1.3 seconds says a lot more about you than it does about me. How dare I not die fast enough! Quit deflecting and making this personal.
It's not personal. It's in general and to everyone.
You're a good player. You use other tools to beat people. That's how it should be. It shouldn't be a one button thing. For every good player there is 10 bad ones. A good player was never spamming one button anyway. I have no problem with that.
My issue is a player spamming and just beating people around them. It's so annoying when someone it getting beat and they don't even know about it just because some dps somewhere near is spamming.
This is a thread about templars.
The bol issue is being discussed. When did I say nobody spams WB or tornado or any other skill?0 -
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✭.bowmanz607 wrote: »so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.
again, I never said that people didnt spam a single button, i was just pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed spamming one button. that taking away that one button spam will ruin it for that person. that is ridiculous and i say good riddance. Any change that makes one button spammers have to switch it up is good. I also never said other abilities shouldnt be looked at, but this is a templar thread not a "hey they can do it over there, i want to do it over here" thread. That is the problem with many people. they want there ability to remain unchanged an unbalanced, because other abilities still do things they shouldnt. How the heck would a game ever get balanced with that mentality?
Sure, do something with wrecking blow. but before you can do anything to it you need to fix the broken mechanics to see if it still operates in the same fashion afterwards. perhaps make it bashable. who knows. they tweaked tornado. will it hel? we will see. perhaps if people do break up a little more this patch it will be less useful. also, now there is physical damage mitigation now. will it still be an issue? maybe. Lets add into the fact that stam was outplaying mag on top of that fact that mag aoe sucked. will the mag meta coming chnage tornado spam? maybe. Will the new aoe be wall of elements? maybe. Will the gap closer change change the ambush spam? maybe. the point is, dont try and make it seem like there are not changes coming to other spammable abilities. Also, dont try to use a spammable ability people use that has so many broken mechanics tied to it.
But alas, we are not talking about other problems the game has, but a specific issue that was/is tied to bol in a general thread about templars. nothing more. So let me make my point more clear. If a player wants to leave because they say that they have their fun in this game solely from running around spamming one button, and then turns around and says changing that will ruin the game for them, then i say good riddance.
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I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
The heal will still hit you through walls. This update literally did nothing except nerf overall total healing, we'll still be able to burst your hp back to full if you are in execute range and we STILL DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. 2 Templar can still camp up in a corner of a building somewhere and spam heals only now those heals will also have major mending on them (+25%). Line of sight WAS the issue and still is.
I agree, Los was the issue. But this at least reduces the chance of someone getting healed from behind a wall. I'll take that for now.
It doesn't though....smart healing ALWAYS targets the lowest health. With a couple templar parked in that building corner everyone gets auto heals right when they need them. Seriously, the half strength side heal was never a real issue before as in that corner no one would be in your rune or ritual so all the heals were baseline (side heals were -75% because of battle spirit. -50% BS, side heal -50% = -75% total heal strength).
You thought smart healing was bad before just wait, no one has to be in my rune anymore or ritual. The primary and secondary heal are going to be 25% stronger on blind heals than last patch. The problem will persist, more people will complain and BOL will get nerfed AGAIN next patch. Once again, the issue is line of sight, as we will find out by Dark Brotherhood.
Edit: All nerfing the side heal did was make healing pick up group dungeons much harder.
^^^This. Many of us cited this issue weeks ago when the first patch notes were released. Here we are 60 pages of comments later and ZOS still doesn't have a clue how to fix the actual issue of line of sight and smart healing. As AfkNinja noted, expect BoL to be nerfed again with Dark Brotherhood since this is yet another bandaid fix.
The sad part is that they responded to a bow passive issue immediately and added a passive change within a week. Templars note how the ressurection speed change screws Master Ritualist and ZOS doesn't even comment on it, let alone try to compensate Templars for the change. This is just one of dozens of issue with Templars and they just don't care.Edited by Hiero_Glyph on February 23, 2016 7:23PM8 -
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
We practice free speech here in Templar land. And we cried enough the mods leave us alone to our misery now.
Oh crap you arent going to do a stream about how it is unfair templars can bash people in their threads now and mods dont care, are you?
Ah we are Templars right it's our house.. Right? We can say what we want in our house and it bad for someone to come in our house.
Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.6 -
joleda4ub17_ESO✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
The heal will still hit you through walls. This update literally did nothing except nerf overall total healing, we'll still be able to burst your hp back to full if you are in execute range and we STILL DON'T HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE YOU. 2 Templar can still camp up in a corner of a building somewhere and spam heals only now those heals will also have major mending on them (+25%). Line of sight WAS the issue and still is.
I agree, Los was the issue. But this at least reduces the chance of someone getting healed from behind a wall. I'll take that for now.
It doesn't though....smart healing ALWAYS targets the lowest health. With a couple templar parked in that building corner everyone gets auto heals right when they need them. Seriously, the half strength side heal was never a real issue before as in that corner no one would be in your rune or ritual so all the heals were baseline (side heals were -75% because of battle spirit. -50% BS, side heal -50% = -75% total heal strength).
You thought smart healing was bad before just wait, no one has to be in my rune anymore or ritual. The primary and secondary heal are going to be 25% stronger on blind heals than last patch. The problem will persist, more people will complain and BOL will get nerfed AGAIN next patch. Once again, the issue is line of sight, as we will find out by Dark Brotherhood.
Edit: All nerfing the side heal did was make healing pick up group dungeons much harder.
^^^This. Many of us cited this issue weeks ago when the first patch notes were released. Here we are 60 pages of comments later and ZOS still doesn't have a clue how to fix the actual issue of line of sight and smart healing. As AfkNinja noted, expect BoL to be nerfed again with Dark Brotherhood since this is yet another bandaid fix.
The sad part is that they responded to a bow passive issue immediately and added a passive change within a week. Templars note how the ressurection speed change screws Master Ritualist and ZOS doesn't even comment on it, let alone try to compensate Templars for the change. This is just one of dozens of issue with Templars and they just don't care.
ZOS Logic: Armor Passive > Class Passive
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
You think anyone from ZoS reads this thread, that's some funny #$%^ right there.
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Talyena✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: ».bowmanz607 wrote: »so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.
again, I never said that people didnt spam a single button, i was just pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed spamming one button. that taking away that one button spam will ruin it for that person. that is ridiculous and i say good riddance. Any change that makes one button spammers have to switch it up is good. I also never said other abilities shouldnt be looked at, but this is a templar thread not a "hey they can do it over there, i want to do it over here" thread. That is the problem with many people. they want there ability to remain unchanged an unbalanced, because other abilities still do things they shouldnt. How the heck would a game ever get balanced with that mentality?
Sure, do something with wrecking blow. but before you can do anything to it you need to fix the broken mechanics to see if it still operates in the same fashion afterwards. perhaps make it bashable. who knows. they tweaked tornado. will it hel? we will see. perhaps if people do break up a little more this patch it will be less useful. also, now there is physical damage mitigation now. will it still be an issue? maybe. Lets add into the fact that stam was outplaying mag on top of that fact that mag aoe sucked. will the mag meta coming chnage tornado spam? maybe. Will the new aoe be wall of elements? maybe. Will the gap closer change change the ambush spam? maybe. the point is, dont try and make it seem like there are not changes coming to other spammable abilities. Also, dont try to use a spammable ability people use that has so many broken mechanics tied to it.
But alas, we are not talking about other problems the game has, but a specific issue that was/is tied to bol in a general thread about templars. nothing more. So let me make my point more clear. If a player wants to leave because they say that they have their fun in this game solely from running around spamming one button, and then turns around and says changing that will ruin the game for them, then i say good riddance.
But that person didn't say that. This is what they said that YOU highlighted. "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast." So you automatically translated healing and support as one button spamming.6 -
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
As a Templar, we're allowed to say whatever we want because we'll just get ignored anyway. I could pull a Dshotz right now and as long as I start with "I think templars" or "Templars need" ZoS will skip over it.~Thallen~8 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: ».bowmanz607 wrote: »so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.
again, I never said that people didnt spam a single button, i was just pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed spamming one button. that taking away that one button spam will ruin it for that person. that is ridiculous and i say good riddance. Any change that makes one button spammers have to switch it up is good. I also never said other abilities shouldnt be looked at, but this is a templar thread not a "hey they can do it over there, i want to do it over here" thread. That is the problem with many people. they want there ability to remain unchanged an unbalanced, because other abilities still do things they shouldnt. How the heck would a game ever get balanced with that mentality?
Sure, do something with wrecking blow. but before you can do anything to it you need to fix the broken mechanics to see if it still operates in the same fashion afterwards. perhaps make it bashable. who knows. they tweaked tornado. will it hel? we will see. perhaps if people do break up a little more this patch it will be less useful. also, now there is physical damage mitigation now. will it still be an issue? maybe. Lets add into the fact that stam was outplaying mag on top of that fact that mag aoe sucked. will the mag meta coming chnage tornado spam? maybe. Will the new aoe be wall of elements? maybe. Will the gap closer change change the ambush spam? maybe. the point is, dont try and make it seem like there are not changes coming to other spammable abilities. Also, dont try to use a spammable ability people use that has so many broken mechanics tied to it.
But alas, we are not talking about other problems the game has, but a specific issue that was/is tied to bol in a general thread about templars. nothing more. So let me make my point more clear. If a player wants to leave because they say that they have their fun in this game solely from running around spamming one button, and then turns around and says changing that will ruin the game for them, then i say good riddance.
But that person didn't say that. This is what they said that YOU highlighted. "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast." So you automatically translated healing and support as one button spamming.
but the context of that quote was in terms of the bol nerf. the person was speaking to the bol nerf and then said "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone."
Based on the context of the statement and what the statement said, the person effectively stated that bol is how he heals his group and taking away the current bol will ruin the game and force the player to leave. aka, you nerfed the one healing ability i use to heal in groups, i call it fun, and now that i cant do that i am leaving.
that is how i translated it. didnt think i had to spell it out. but alas, it is the forums.0 -
Talyena✭✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: ».bowmanz607 wrote: »so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.
again, I never said that people didnt spam a single button, i was just pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed spamming one button. that taking away that one button spam will ruin it for that person. that is ridiculous and i say good riddance. Any change that makes one button spammers have to switch it up is good. I also never said other abilities shouldnt be looked at, but this is a templar thread not a "hey they can do it over there, i want to do it over here" thread. That is the problem with many people. they want there ability to remain unchanged an unbalanced, because other abilities still do things they shouldnt. How the heck would a game ever get balanced with that mentality?
Sure, do something with wrecking blow. but before you can do anything to it you need to fix the broken mechanics to see if it still operates in the same fashion afterwards. perhaps make it bashable. who knows. they tweaked tornado. will it hel? we will see. perhaps if people do break up a little more this patch it will be less useful. also, now there is physical damage mitigation now. will it still be an issue? maybe. Lets add into the fact that stam was outplaying mag on top of that fact that mag aoe sucked. will the mag meta coming chnage tornado spam? maybe. Will the new aoe be wall of elements? maybe. Will the gap closer change change the ambush spam? maybe. the point is, dont try and make it seem like there are not changes coming to other spammable abilities. Also, dont try to use a spammable ability people use that has so many broken mechanics tied to it.
But alas, we are not talking about other problems the game has, but a specific issue that was/is tied to bol in a general thread about templars. nothing more. So let me make my point more clear. If a player wants to leave because they say that they have their fun in this game solely from running around spamming one button, and then turns around and says changing that will ruin the game for them, then i say good riddance.
But that person didn't say that. This is what they said that YOU highlighted. "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast." So you automatically translated healing and support as one button spamming.
but the context of that quote was in terms of the bol nerf. the person was speaking to the bol nerf and then said "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone."
Based on the context of the statement and what the statement said, the person effectively stated that bol is how he heals his group and taking away the current bol will ruin the game and force the player to leave. aka, you nerfed the one healing ability i use to heal in groups, i call it fun, and now that i cant do that i am leaving.
that is how i translated it. didnt think i had to spell it out. but alas, it is the forums.
So you ONLY read the highlighted part? This is what was right before that and it was in response to someone who said people should just heal themselves. "A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me." Being a tank is already irrelevant in PvP, if being made a healer is irrelevant than all that will be out there will be DPS. There will be no incentive whatsoever to group other than to form a giant lag ball and win by immobilizing the enemy through slow frame rates and massive ping. So I read it as saying if you take interactive grouping out of PvP then it will be much less appealing to many players who may just take their money elsewhere.4 -
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✭✭✭✭I tested and have seen that Biting Jabs (Puncturing Strikes morph) is not triggering one of the Two Handed passive abilities called "Heavy Weapons" which says that "Axes grant your melee attacks 16% to apply a bleed dealing XXXXX physical damage over 6 seconds." I have a Battle Axe equipped. I always thought that biting jabs is a melee attack especially since it can trigger the Ravager set, Red Diamond, (Impeial passive), and Adrenaline Rush (Redguard passive).
Yes, I can confirm that this skill does not provide the axe bleed. It definitely should IMO.4 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: ».bowmanz607 wrote: »so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.
again, I never said that people didnt spam a single button, i was just pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed spamming one button. that taking away that one button spam will ruin it for that person. that is ridiculous and i say good riddance. Any change that makes one button spammers have to switch it up is good. I also never said other abilities shouldnt be looked at, but this is a templar thread not a "hey they can do it over there, i want to do it over here" thread. That is the problem with many people. they want there ability to remain unchanged an unbalanced, because other abilities still do things they shouldnt. How the heck would a game ever get balanced with that mentality?
Sure, do something with wrecking blow. but before you can do anything to it you need to fix the broken mechanics to see if it still operates in the same fashion afterwards. perhaps make it bashable. who knows. they tweaked tornado. will it hel? we will see. perhaps if people do break up a little more this patch it will be less useful. also, now there is physical damage mitigation now. will it still be an issue? maybe. Lets add into the fact that stam was outplaying mag on top of that fact that mag aoe sucked. will the mag meta coming chnage tornado spam? maybe. Will the new aoe be wall of elements? maybe. Will the gap closer change change the ambush spam? maybe. the point is, dont try and make it seem like there are not changes coming to other spammable abilities. Also, dont try to use a spammable ability people use that has so many broken mechanics tied to it.
But alas, we are not talking about other problems the game has, but a specific issue that was/is tied to bol in a general thread about templars. nothing more. So let me make my point more clear. If a player wants to leave because they say that they have their fun in this game solely from running around spamming one button, and then turns around and says changing that will ruin the game for them, then i say good riddance.
But that person didn't say that. This is what they said that YOU highlighted. "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast." So you automatically translated healing and support as one button spamming.
but the context of that quote was in terms of the bol nerf. the person was speaking to the bol nerf and then said "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone."
Based on the context of the statement and what the statement said, the person effectively stated that bol is how he heals his group and taking away the current bol will ruin the game and force the player to leave. aka, you nerfed the one healing ability i use to heal in groups, i call it fun, and now that i cant do that i am leaving.
that is how i translated it. didnt think i had to spell it out. but alas, it is the forums.
So you ONLY read the highlighted part? This is what was right before that and it was in response to someone who said people should just heal themselves. "A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me." Being a tank is already irrelevant in PvP, if being made a healer is irrelevant than all that will be out there will be DPS. There will be no incentive whatsoever to group other than to form a giant lag ball and win by immobilizing the enemy through slow frame rates and massive ping. So I read it as saying if you take interactive grouping out of PvP then it will be much less appealing to many players who may just take their money elsewhere.
good grief. i highlighted that portion of the text. a relevant portion that you left out when you quoted it. here....
"A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning"
this quote came directly after another quote talking about the bol nerf which was in turn was part of a larger discussion regarding the bol nerf. The person is saying that the bol nerf will stop him from playing because he cant hit one button to heal his group any more. Even yy your understanding of it, which is an understandable view of the reading, the person is equating the bol nerf to people being disincentive to group and ultimately leading to the doom of the game. The person is literally saying that because i cant spam one button to heal anymore, not only will i be leaving, but the rest of the community will leave because they can no longer hit one button to heal. How the hell do you think non-templars have been healing this whole time? nerfing bol like this does not make a healer irrelevant. it simply doesnt make it easy mode any more.0 -
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
Audibly chuckled at my desk.
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Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
With the stupidly broken magicka meta that's incoming, as we were theorycrafting raid possibilities, one of the more fun ideas was a full 24 man group of sorcs with pets, particularly given that you can summon 2 atros because ZOS coding. Healing will be paltry next patch because of fasalla's guile and the sheer burst dmg #s requiring shields rather than sustain. The aoe caps from all those pets, plus shields, would make fengrush's head explode and be a monumental FU to wrobel and wheeler; their likely response? Nerf the damage of blazing spears a little because it was stronger than intended.
If we're still playing the game come update 10 when vet levels are removed, wrobel can bet his juice boxes that we will have zero qualms about making people level to 50 and running the cheesiest group comp imaginable because he's utterly incapable of coherent class and combat balance.
You have strong words about Wrobel - Im shocked you can roll through these forums with impunity from the mods! Kinda jealous.
It almost sounds like you think anyone reads Templar feedback threads.
This is a safe space.Edited by Sallington on February 23, 2016 8:48PMDaggerfall Covenant
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Wrecking blow, wrecking blow, wrecking blow....
Steel tornado, steel tornado, steel tornado....
Ambush, ambush, ambush...bowmanz607 wrote: »joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »GhostwalkerLD wrote: »timidobserver wrote: »Dreddlock- wrote: »SemiD4rkness wrote: »@sypherpk and @blabafat Im very tired of repeating the same thing but I will so you guys can get it. Can templar be somewhat succesfull in pvp? Yes. Can templars be competitive in pvp? Magicka to a certain degree and a big NO for stam templar (same can be said about stam sorc)
I dare you guys to fight Sribes or any good sword and board stam DK with a templar (magicka or stamina). As I said before, you will not beat him. @sypherpk thinks of himself as a very talented player, id like to see him tryhard vs a top 5 magicka sorc on a templar (stam or magicka)
I could also post videos of me slaying 5+ dudes, heck, even 10 dudes sometimes in iC and all that as a stamina templar but that doesn't mean that the class is fine. You sypher kill vr4s and 5s by just spamming jabs then you expect us all to "realise" how good templars are.
I didn't post the videos to prove templars are top notch. I know they are not. I just posted them to show that I have enough experience with the class to at least talk about the class.
I highly regard your DK, Sorc, and Nightblade skills, but when you don't even know if the removal of knockback on puncturing sweeps and it's morphs are good or bad..... please stop. Your embarrassing your self.
Actually it would have been embarrassing if I pretended to know if it was a good or bad thing without actually having the knowledge.
At least I can admit when I don't know something or make a mistake. Except some of you are looking at a 2.5 hour video I posted where I read the notes for the first time quickly without any real time to reflect/analyze it and are trying to rip any slight mistake or slip up just to belittle or discredit me.
I stated right in the begging of my Templar part of the video that "I am NOT a Templar expert" so I'm confused where you are getting this idea that I know the class inside out. All I said was I've played it and I'm commenting on it from my experience with the class.
Where did this elitist attitude come from?
The issue wasn't your mistake or slip up. The issue, for me at least, was the reflexive whine about an insignificant buff to a Templar synergy even though you had no idea what it was. It demonstrated your bias. You were so prepared to whine for more nerfs that you did it before you even knew what you were whining about.
Additionally, you basically celebrated the BoL nerf like it was a birthday present showing even more bias. You certainly have the right to be as bias as you want and celebrate our nerfs, but you shouldn't expect a friendly reception in our thread afterwards.
I have v16 magica and stamina templars. So I have no bias against them.
I also celebrated the bol nerf. It's so frigging annoying when fighting that a templar anywhere in the range, who may be having his own fight and doesn't even know his alliance memeber is fighting, heals himself and then the guy i'm fighting is getting healed.
It's way too strong in pvp. Pve wise, most the content is far too easy as it is. So having to use more than bol isn't a big deal.
So I'm glad it got nerfed. That along with the barrier and purge nerf may mean that people will have to use their brains and not just get saved by other people who happen to be near them.
I honestly can't wait for Sorcerers with the new improved BoL from Twilight Matriarch, who will now be fully shielded with a refreshable Hardened Ward, to start stacking and healing even better in a 35m no line of site circle.
People are gonna lament the old BoL.
It does sort of take the teeth out of their justification that BOL was "Too powerful a heal" when they take that exact same heal and give it to sorcerers... and make it even better (costing no mana, on a shieldable pet, spammable), while leaving ours still costing the same amount yet healing for 25% less.
But hey, whatever. Gives me an even better reason to level my sorcerer and heal on him instead. Assuming I decide to keep playing.
Lol I cant wait for people to replace burst healing of templars with pets - Im sure thatll work out great.
Exactly, it straight up won't happen. Nobody will run them on pvp. Nobody.
To be fair a 95% of the crying about BoL was the fact that the templar could be hiding behind a wall/up the stairs/in the tower unseen and untouched and still healing and spamming away saving people.
That is the role the pet is perfect for. Which is why it is so funny to me.
Why do people word it as crying. Healing two people, randomly within it's radius is plain stupid and has zero level of skill. People in groups will have to run their own heal now abs actually multi task.
A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning.
so running around hammering on one button is fun???
Judging by the Steel Tornado, Snipe, and WB one button hammering, it clearly is. These skills are as brain and skill less as you keep repeating BoL is, but OP on completely new highs. Do you personally think killing a player from 30-40 meters that doesen't even have time to react is skill-full? Constantly mashing one button Stel Tornado requires skill? Stacking shields and other mitigation is skilled play that requires a brain?
But no, it's the Templars one button heals that is constantly called brainless and unskilled. Try, really try, playing a Templar in high end game PvP with anything that isn't a build one hit wonder. Trust me you'll know what ESO hard mode really means.
again, I never said that people didnt spam a single button, i was just pointing out that the person i quoted enjoyed spamming one button. that taking away that one button spam will ruin it for that person. that is ridiculous and i say good riddance. Any change that makes one button spammers have to switch it up is good. I also never said other abilities shouldnt be looked at, but this is a templar thread not a "hey they can do it over there, i want to do it over here" thread. That is the problem with many people. they want there ability to remain unchanged an unbalanced, because other abilities still do things they shouldnt. How the heck would a game ever get balanced with that mentality?
Sure, do something with wrecking blow. but before you can do anything to it you need to fix the broken mechanics to see if it still operates in the same fashion afterwards. perhaps make it bashable. who knows. they tweaked tornado. will it hel? we will see. perhaps if people do break up a little more this patch it will be less useful. also, now there is physical damage mitigation now. will it still be an issue? maybe. Lets add into the fact that stam was outplaying mag on top of that fact that mag aoe sucked. will the mag meta coming chnage tornado spam? maybe. Will the new aoe be wall of elements? maybe. Will the gap closer change change the ambush spam? maybe. the point is, dont try and make it seem like there are not changes coming to other spammable abilities. Also, dont try to use a spammable ability people use that has so many broken mechanics tied to it.
But alas, we are not talking about other problems the game has, but a specific issue that was/is tied to bol in a general thread about templars. nothing more. So let me make my point more clear. If a player wants to leave because they say that they have their fun in this game solely from running around spamming one button, and then turns around and says changing that will ruin the game for them, then i say good riddance.
But that person didn't say that. This is what they said that YOU highlighted. "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast." So you automatically translated healing and support as one button spamming.
but the context of that quote was in terms of the bol nerf. the person was speaking to the bol nerf and then said "The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone."
Based on the context of the statement and what the statement said, the person effectively stated that bol is how he heals his group and taking away the current bol will ruin the game and force the player to leave. aka, you nerfed the one healing ability i use to heal in groups, i call it fun, and now that i cant do that i am leaving.
that is how i translated it. didnt think i had to spell it out. but alas, it is the forums.
So you ONLY read the highlighted part? This is what was right before that and it was in response to someone who said people should just heal themselves. "A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me." Being a tank is already irrelevant in PvP, if being made a healer is irrelevant than all that will be out there will be DPS. There will be no incentive whatsoever to group other than to form a giant lag ball and win by immobilizing the enemy through slow frame rates and massive ping. So I read it as saying if you take interactive grouping out of PvP then it will be much less appealing to many players who may just take their money elsewhere.
good grief. i highlighted that portion of the text. a relevant portion that you left out when you quoted it. here....
"A game where everyone is solo and PVP becomes a FFA doesn't appeal to everyone. It certainly doesn't appeal to me. The most fun I have in PVP is playing a healer and supporting my team. I think it's a blast. Take that away an I'm gone. Cyrodiil will eventually become a ghost zone where the only people left are solo and the only thing left to do is fight 1v1 arena style. There will be no new blood or no new fodder. People like you will complain about stuff why PVP is all 1v1 and you'll have nobody to blame but yourself. Congrats, it looks like you're winning"
this quote came directly after another quote talking about the bol nerf which was in turn was part of a larger discussion regarding the bol nerf. The person is saying that the bol nerf will stop him from playing because he cant hit one button to heal his group any more. Even yy your understanding of it, which is an understandable view of the reading, the person is equating the bol nerf to people being disincentive to group and ultimately leading to the doom of the game. The person is literally saying that because i cant spam one button to heal anymore, not only will i be leaving, but the rest of the community will leave because they can no longer hit one button to heal. How the hell do you think non-templars have been healing this whole time? nerfing bol like this does not make a healer irrelevant. it simply doesnt make it easy mode any more.
The bolded part is my quote. I also made another post stating that I don't have Breath of Life (BoL) on my character. I chose the other morph for the Magicka recovery. I only PVP. I only play healers & support. I also stated that I press way more than 1 button. Either you're trolling, or you really need to L2Forum.
What you don't seem to understand is that BoL was a perfect heal for a hybrid build character. I play focused characters, but not everyone wants to play that way. Someone could play a Paladin-type melee build and throw out a heal every now and then, which would be as close as their going to get to a healing aura. Is this an optimal build? No. Their attributes are all over the place. I'm flabbergasted that such a build would pose a serious threat to a hard-core PVP'er.
Instead of fixing the LoS problem, ZOS nerfed the number of targets. A "better" nerf would have been to lower the heal and keep the number of targets.Edited by joleda4ub17_ESO on February 23, 2016 9:25PM3