Vampire and werewolf "bites" in the crown store

NobleNerd

MornaBaine wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Myyth wrote: »

Well if you can skip the quest and instantly turn into a vampire or werewolf then I know what I will be buying with my monthly crown sub allowance then.
Having to do the quest is the only thing that has held me back and I have nothing else to spend crowns on they just pile up unused, so may as well. going to go make my lvl 3 werewolf now!

If you can skip the quest, this has become the first step into the P2W realm, I've never played a WW, so I don't know about them. But the vampire skill line has some definate advantages to it.

Yes, I imagine you also instantly gain the achievement related to becoming a vamp or WW too.

One hopes you at least still have to level the skill line. But if they are to the point of selling these in the crown store when are we going to FINALLY get a skin for vampires that makes them look mortal???? I guarantee they'd sell a TON of them!

I would hope players aren't so impatient to spend $15 when many give them out free in game.

Elderscrollian

Infinite12 wrote: »

Elderscrollian wrote: »

If people like me conceptualized one or more of their characters as being a werewolf or vampire from the get go now they don't have to play a bunch of the game before its a reality

Play a bunch of game? Are you serious? You go into area chat, you ask someone to group up with you and travel to the zone where you get the ww/vamp bite, you travel to player. You go SIT ON A HILL AND WAIT FOR A WEREWOLF OR VAMPIRE TO SPAWN. Is that REALLY too difficult for you? Smh.

It has ZERO to do with difficulty, does the word CONVENIENCE confuse you? I assume so as you blatantly don't seem to get the gist of it.

If you want to get bit, go sit on the hill and wait for the spawn and then go do the quest go do it, NOONE is stopping you or ANYONE else. However if you don't and want to be a werewolf or vamp right out of the gate then you can buy the convenience item and be one. There is a problem where exactly?

Its called CHOICE it is the fundamental basis for all MMO content and features. Just because others don't choose what you do doesn't make it wrong. Concern yourself with your own choices and leave those of others to themselves.

And just so were straight, zero confusion I've likely been playing games longer than you've been alive, indeed theres a pretty good chance of it. Thanks for asking

MornaBaine

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to confirm, you do not need to do the quest. Once you purchase either bite, you automatically are infected with either Lycanthropy or Vampirism. To reiterate what we've always said, Crown Store items are merely for convenience.

But why skip the quest? Characters should simply be "infected" as they are when encountering bloodfiends or werewolves that pass on the curse. Keeping the quest from people takes a lot of fun out of this!

ADarklore

MornaBaine wrote: »

But why skip the quest? Characters should simply be "infected" as they are when encountering bloodfiends or werewolves that pass on the curse. Keeping the quest from people takes a lot of fun out of this!

I believe I mentioned this earlier but I will repeat it. First, if you PAY for something, you should be able to use it not have to pay for it and THEN work to get access to it. Second, imagine a level 4 character fresh off the boat, buys vampire bite, now has to travel to Reaper's March (highest zone in AD) and try to get to the altar without dying multiple times just to get access to the quest in order to claim what they've already paid for.

Divinius wrote: »

Unfortunately, your argument also pretty much defines why doing it this way can be considered P2W. A low level player just off the boat would have an equally hard time getting the vamp/ww skill line without buying it. Being able to get access to the whole skill line (even if not leveled) on a brand new character, just by paying crowns, is the very definition of P2W.

I think you are confused about what P2W actually means. MOST players accept that P2W means that you are able to buy something in a game marketplace that gives you a significant advantage over other players that those other players don't have access to without also buying it. I take it you're arguing that because a new player has access to WW/Vamp skills (even though they still need to spend tons of XP leveling the skill to actually have access to certain abilities) that other new players don't without buying it because otherwise they wouldn't be able to access those same skills until later... like others pointed out, that lower level player could turn to Guildmates to help them with a bite. Further, they've dumbed down the actual quests to a point that most low level players could complete it now anyway.

However, let's be realistic and realize that in PvE this doesn't even matter because in PvE you only compete against each other for scores at endgame so anything 'lower level' doesn't matter... in PvP they won't have access to Cyrodiil until level 10... and with the XP rate at lower levels, it will still take a low level player a lot of time to level the Vamp/WW skill line to give them any type of advantage over equal level players in Cyrodiil... if at all. As others have noted, Vamp/WW skill lines are not what they used to be because of recent nerfs, so I still fail to see this as a P2W because they're really not gaining anything that gives them any significant advantage over another player at any level.

Andauril

I would prefer to take a werewolf or vampire bite from a player over a crown store bite anytime, but ...
I did Vampire Quest at lvl 30 with my main and it was a pain in the ass. I have no idea how lvl 10 chars complete the quest.
I don't have a werewolf char, but I'm thinking about getting one, and I fear I will have to get up to lvl 40 before I'm able to do the quest ...
Because from what I heard, Werwolf quest is super difficult to do with a low level character.
And because (at least as far as I know!, haven't played in a while), the initial infection is only temporarily, you are under some sort of pressure. Which is no problem for high level chars, but with a low level pc it could be a real problem ...

What I want to say: If I get a werewolf bite for free from a fellow player, and my char is, say, lvl 10 ... Would I be able to complete the quest? Because that, I can imagine, is the point where some people prefer to spend some crones in the store when they are low level ...

Getting a bit unhinged here, sorry ...

What is with support for low level characters? Offering bites for free is great, but an escort to the shrines would also be nice, and (if possible) some support while doing the quest? I remember that I really wished for support when I did the Vampire quest ... And I was one of those people who got scammed. I had to buy my vampire bite for 20.000 gold, because I couldn't find anyone who offered a free vampire bite.

Crimsonwolf666

Andauril wrote: »

I would prefer to take a werewolf or vampire bite from a player over a crown store bite anytime, but ...
I did Vampire Quest at lvl 30 with my main and it was a pain in the ass. I have no idea how lvl 10 chars complete the quest.
I don't have a werewolf char, but I'm thinking about getting one, and I fear I will have to get up to lvl 40 before I'm able to do the quest ...
Because from what I heard, Werwolf quest is super difficult to do with a low level character.
And because (at least as far as I know!, haven't played in a while), the initial infection is only temporarily, you are under some sort of pressure. Which is no problem for high level chars, but with a low level pc it could be a real problem ...

What I want to say: If I get a werewolf bite for free from a fellow player, and my char is, say, lvl 10 ... Would I be able to complete the quest? Because that, I can imagine, is the point where some people prefer to spend some crones in the store when they are low level ...

Getting a bit unhinged here, sorry ...

What is with support for low level characters? Offering bites for free is great, but an escort to the shrines would also be nice, and (if possible) some support while doing the quest? I remember that I really wished for support when I did the Vampire quest ... And I was one of those people who got scammed. I had to buy my vampire bite for 20.000 gold, because I couldn't find anyone who offered a free vampire bite.

Unless they changed it the WW quest scales to your level. I did it at level 23 and all the mobs were 23, so not hard at all. I did my vampire quest at about lvl 10....that doesn't scale to your characters level and all the mobs were 38 or 39....that was a huge pain in the ass, but I did it on a sorc so, lots of kiting and having my summon tank.

Krainor1974

Was same for me, than I just kept doing essence drain n getting hits in until I finally did it. My second alt was Templar and was scaling so easier.

Glaiceana

Crimsonwolf666 wrote: »

Andauril wrote: »

I would prefer to take a werewolf or vampire bite from a player over a crown store bite anytime, but ...
I did Vampire Quest at lvl 30 with my main and it was a pain in the ass. I have no idea how lvl 10 chars complete the quest.
I don't have a werewolf char, but I'm thinking about getting one, and I fear I will have to get up to lvl 40 before I'm able to do the quest ...
Because from what I heard, Werwolf quest is super difficult to do with a low level character.
And because (at least as far as I know!, haven't played in a while), the initial infection is only temporarily, you are under some sort of pressure. Which is no problem for high level chars, but with a low level pc it could be a real problem ...

What I want to say: If I get a werewolf bite for free from a fellow player, and my char is, say, lvl 10 ... Would I be able to complete the quest? Because that, I can imagine, is the point where some people prefer to spend some crones in the store when they are low level ...

Getting a bit unhinged here, sorry ...

What is with support for low level characters? Offering bites for free is great, but an escort to the shrines would also be nice, and (if possible) some support while doing the quest? I remember that I really wished for support when I did the Vampire quest ... And I was one of those people who got scammed. I had to buy my vampire bite for 20.000 gold, because I couldn't find anyone who offered a free vampire bite.

Unless they changed it the WW quest scales to your level. I did it at level 23 and all the mobs were 23, so not hard at all. I did my vampire quest at about lvl 10....that doesn't scale to your characters level and all the mobs were 38 or 39....that was a huge pain in the ass, but I did it on a sorc so, lots of kiting and having my summon tank.

@Andauril The werewolf quest can be done at level 10, providing you get the mammoth boss to defeat, as that is the easiest. I have completed it twice at level 10 now. The enemies do not scale down lower than Lv38. Have food items that increase your health and stamina is a real help.

If you need help at all, I am willing to show you anything to do with the werewolf quest, I can coach you through overcoming the bugs in the quest, and even how to bite people once you are werewolf And if you are on PC/EU, I can get one of my guild members to bite you for free.

shadowwraith666

It's a convenience nothing more, it gives players a choice. No one is forcing people to use crowns to obtain vampirism/lycanthropy they can still go the quest route instead if they so desired or they can ignore it completely.

This is no different than games that allow the purchasing of weapons/armour and other items and consumables (Destiny, Defiance, Warframe and any other f2p game with their own premium currency), but still allow players to obtain most of the items etc in-game through grinding and questing.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

I was quite shocked at this.

ESO instantly became "Elder Scrolls" without the "Online". It took away the part of "MMO" out of the game

AlienSlof

Glaiceana wrote: »

@Andauril The werewolf quest can be done at level 10, providing you get the mammoth boss to defeat, as that is the easiest. I have completed it twice at level 10 now. The enemies do not scale down lower than Lv38. Have food items that increase your health and stamina is a real help.

Lvl 38 enemies is the vampire quest, not werewolf. 10 of those.

I did werewolf at lvl 7, got the wamasu boss and did it without any trouble - and I'm not even that good a player - the mobs were scaled at lvl 12 minimum.

Glaiceana

AlienSlof wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

@Andauril The werewolf quest can be done at level 10, providing you get the mammoth boss to defeat, as that is the easiest. I have completed it twice at level 10 now. The enemies do not scale down lower than Lv38. Have food items that increase your health and stamina is a real help.

Lvl 38 enemies is the vampire quest, not werewolf. 10 of those.

I did werewolf at lvl 7, got the wamasu boss and did it without any trouble - and I'm not even that good a player - the mobs were scaled at lvl 12 minimum.

When did you last do the quest? Because since at least August this year the werewolf quest has not scaled below Level 38. I have completed the quest 3 times since then. I also have a guild of werewolves, all of which can confirm this too. Unless it scales lower on different platforms. I play on PC, what platform do you use?

Darkheartsmd

Found trick for the lizard boss. Kite him till he uses a skill then go in for attack, you can also just jump at him and he normally does a skill then you just auto attack him etc. Did it at lvl 12 with no scaling.


Scaling change to me seems like they knew they were going to start selling it.... -_-

HisShadowX

Casuals are the main market the hardcore players no one really cares about. This game was a hit when released on the consoles with casuals. Most of the hardcore guilds tried to do like on PC and camp vamp spawns and kill them so they could sell them.

The majority of people didn't like that.

Fischblut

I would much rather be able to skip the first talk to the Prophet quest. I hate doing that one more than once.

I have 12 characters (NA+EU), and I actually payed attention to the "history lesson" only during 12th time... because my main char was about to start the final battle against Molag Bal and I had to decide which companion I prefer to choose... All other times I was testing different emotions, reading Journal to see which achievements I want to get someday, looking at the empty dark anchor and envying Mannimarco's cool gear

Those quests, even if short, where pretty thrilling, almost goosebumps, first time you bathed in blood or howled with the pack.

I agree, I also had goosebumps during those scenes, but this feeling is the sweetest when it's first time you become WW/V in ESO. I won't repeat quests with my other chars, but I really regret not being able to record the process of those two who were the first
My main char was accidentally bitten by NPC werewolf when she was Vr2, so her quest was amazing Few ours at The Hunting Ground's with properly scaled quest = Lycanthropy master, Werewolf transformation ready to be morphed, few champion points, lot of XP, lot of loot. I would remain there longer, but my inventory was full, and I didn't have skill points to unlock new skills...
I bought vampire bite from a stranger for 3 000 gold. From my point of view it's very low price, I would pay even 20 000 gold because it's worth it for me and I make more gold by hardcore stealing every day on my main char, but the risk of being scammed made me very nervous until she bit me I completed this quest at level 12 without death, but it was very difficult against 38 level mobs. I was able to do it only because: blue food for Magica and health, my Whitestrake's set and some healing provided by Twin Slash morph + Swallow Soul. I would try vampire quest again only on my 14 level Templar healer, but instant skill line gain from store looks much more interesting

And while I'm totally okay when people give bites for free, I wouldn't do it. When my low-level char was bitten by a stranger, I was amazed by such kindness. I told him "Thank you, this was very kind of you!" and he said "No drama, just a favor for a guild member." It was my first bite ever and it was free from a person whom I don't know and probably will never see again. It felt like a dirty trade after those words. You're giving another person a chance to get new exiting gameplay and great power, and you can do it only once each 7 days. It should be a big deal! ...But since nowadays it would be very difficult to find somebody who agrees to buy a bite for a fair price, I decided not to waste skill points for those useless passives. But I like to visit a shrine from time to time and look how strangers are bitten; howl for Hircine and sacrifice two respawning senches in his name, devouring them to please my favorite prince; show to strangers what fully upgraded werewolf can do so they can see what they will become, and give advice to those who are going to start a quest... if they listen When my vampire will be at least 42 level, I'll start visiting other shrine too.

Because from what I heard, Werwolf quest is super difficult to do with a low level character.

Yes, it is extremely difficult - I tried it many times on 5 level char (bitten for free long time ago, and it was a waste of that bite as I see now) in green Whitestrake's Retribution set after eating food for additional health, and I say that even veteran City of Ash is better - there I at least can see that Ash Titan takes some damage from my attacks, while health bar of 38 level boss barely changes before the boss two shots me I decided to try the boss for the last time and in my human form (Dragonknight) - still two shots in my death recap I had a Giant Snake no matter how many times I logged off and changed zones, so I don't know if I would have any success with other bosses.

What is with support for low level characters?

Although I'm grateful two those random players who bit me, there wasn't much support from them. Werewolf was himself around 20 level, so he was also afraid of the zone... Other random person told me that I should use paused timer in Hircine's realm to level my skill line fast. At least I used this nice advice on my main char!
And Vr16 vampire only killed skeevers near the altar so I could get there. Path from the nearest wayshrine I made on my own and only thank to my 40% speed upgraded mount + Rapid maneuver. AD has awful placement of vampire shrine I also asked her for advice, and she said to use range and wait for them respawn near the ladder. However, her advice wasn't useful for me; I killed all cultists on my path only once, so after 10th I was near the exit.

So, after I tasted both Vampire and Werewolf gameplay, I don't want to play as ordinary character anymore. And all my normal chars (level range 6 - 14) are getting bitten in Crown Store. They won't have much advantage on early levels, especially vampire - it needs more than 80 000 XP to get to Vampire level two, so it will take very long time for low level character to gain new skills. For me, these fake bites are the best things in store after all DLCs

JLAMAR22

Not sure if this was answered or not, but my question is, if this is bought, does it count towards just one specific character or does it go for every character to be chosen?

ADarklore

JLAMAR22 wrote: »

Not sure if this was answered or not, but my question is, if this is bought, does it count towards just one specific character or does it go for every character to be chosen?

It is ONE character... once you buy it it automatically applies to the character you bought it with.

Shadow_Akula

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Really ZOS? Really? They are easy enough to get in the game. Why would anyone want to pay actual money to get them from the crown store? That's beyond ridiculous.

Really? If it was so easy then how has it taken some people 6-7 months of playing to finally get a bite? Just saying they weren't easy to get, you have to factor in other people looking for the bites and those said people eliminating the NPCs who give the bites before you get there. Also not everyone is in a guild or on the forums and play on their own, thus they have no help and nobody to give them bites. So if you have nobody to help/give bites, and people are always faster than you to the NPCs are you not to have vampirism or lycanthropy? Are you not allowed to have something because other people keep taking your opportunities?

Jelle_Zwiers

Okay, I still have some questions left though...

When you buy Vamp/WW and cure yourself, do you have to buy it again to be able to transform back?

And...

When you are par example a vampire & you buy werewolf, do you have to cure yourself first? (If you do it via the crown store.)

And the last one...

Do you lose all your progress when you cure yourself? Do you "reset" when you transform into a Vamp/WW, cure yourself & transform back?

Thanks,
- J

Krainor1974

You can get bites free if you wait for spawns or ask in zone chats in DC ask in rivenspire and bangkorai zone chats. Save your crowns for something else in CS.

Jelle_Zwiers

Yes... I tried to find someone but can't find one. :-(

Krainor1974

Look for me Krainor Blackthorne I will give you a vamp bite if you want one
PC/NA/DC

Divinius

Jelle_Zwiers wrote: »

When you buy Vamp/WW and cure yourself, do you have to buy it again to be able to transform back?

Yes, if you cure it, you'd have to get bitten again, or buy it again, to become a Vamp/WW again.

Jelle_Zwiers wrote: »

When you are par example a vampire & you buy werewolf, do you have to cure yourself first? (If you do it via the crown store.)

You can't buy WW if you are already a Vamp, and vice-versa. You can only be one at a time.

Jelle_Zwiers wrote: »

Do you lose all your progress when you cure yourself? Do you "reset" when you transform into a Vamp/WW, cure yourself & transform back?

No. The skill line itself, and all skills leveled and points put into them stay. If you do a skill point respec, you'll get the points back as normal (whether you are cured or not), but the skills stay leveled, so you can put points back into them and be right where you left off.

The items in the crown store work exactly the same way as regular bites in-game. The crown store purchases also complete the "initiation" quest for you as well. But if you get cured, you have to get bitten and do the quest again (or buy it again in the crown store) to become a vamp/ww again.

WhoThenNow7

Why are people so worried about this? If you don't want to buy it, then don't buy it. No big deal.

Jelle_Zwiers

Thanks for your answers Divinius! and thanks for offering a free bite of tasty vampire blood Kraimor!

Zenetrax

Myyth wrote: »

ok my question is -

If you buy the bite in the store do you skip the quest?

Or do you still have to do the quest and kill 10 lvl 38 mobs to be a vampire or the troll for WW?
It would add value to purchasing the bite if you could skip the quests.
Otherwise I feel bad for a new player buying the bite and not doing their research first lol

I agree. Or if the quest will not be skipped at least put vamp or ww to level 10 after.

Divinius

Yes, if you buy the bite in the store, it skips the quest for you as well.

BluSpixMacaw

Hiero_Glyph wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to confirm, you do not need to do the quest. Once you purchase either bite, you automatically are infected with either Lycanthropy or Vampirism. To reiterate what we've always said, Crown Store items are merely for convenience.

Skipping the quest is a little more than just a convenience item though as it prevents players from becoming a werewolf or vampire at low levels, unless they are skilled enough to do so. Do you really want level 3 werewolves and vampires running around Tamriel? I'm fine with the bite being permanent and allowing players to retry the quest as often as they want but completing the quest is part of the process of becoming a werewolf or vampire.

BluSpixMacaw

It's ok to see Level 3 WW and Vamps running around Tamriel for one reason because they still need to go to places like Reapers March to get cured for 600 Gold but why would they want to do that after they just payed 1500Crowns in the first place to become a Werewolf or Vampire. Plus if they become a Vampire at low level there doomed from the start due to the FACT of how many NPC's use the Most Common Element in the game you guessed it FIRE! Low Level Werewolves on the other hand have a better advantage.

Aleuros

One example of why the Crown Store Vampire Bite is worth the money. While "power leveling" doesn't quite exist in ESO in the same way it exists in other MMOs, I still prefer to level my Alternative Characters as quickly as possible outside of grinding. As I don't PvP until the very end of my character's "life," grinding is of limited use to me, because I need access to Caldwell's Silver and Gold for PvE, and therefore need to do the Main Story Quests.

Because of that I start with a specific build in mind and a staggered plan towards accomplishing that build. I separate the build structure into three stages. A Beginning Build of Level 1-10. An Intermediate Build of 10-25. And an End-Game Build of 25-∞.

My progression is as follows. First I do the Coldharbor Starting Quest until I am Level 5. Then I do the Alliance Quests, as well as all the Dungeons, Dark Anchors, and World Bosses for each area. I make sure I collect all the Skyshards for each area, and grab any Lore Books I see. Then I do the Main Quest, followed by Silver, followed by Gold, followed by Mages's Guild quests, followed by Fighter's Guild quests. During Silver and Gold and continuing after, I do the Undaunted Pledges. After all that I mop up whatever Lore Books and other important items I missed. Then I master crafting. After that the character is ready for PvP and End Game PvE.

The thing is, I know from the start whether or not I plan for my character to be a Werewolf or Vampire. And knowing that, the most efficient time for my character to gain those attributes and start levelling them is around Level 25. As I average about two hours of playtime a day, it takes about a month to take a character from Level 1 to the end of my progression. Having done this eight times on my old account, I have realized something.

If I decide to go about it the vanilla way, or even by asking on /esobiteme for bites and doing it the sort of backhanded way, I either need to wait until I am a higher level than optimal, or I need to traverse two zones ahead of my current Alliance Quest while avoiding mobs. While I am not an amazing player, so these numbers may be different for those that are, this still takes me about five hours of real world time and roughly four to seven character deaths. And that is if I already have a player at the shrine to bite me. If I am relying on the timing for vanilla infection, it can take upwards of ten real world hours and ten to fifteen character deaths. Again, I'm not an amazing player. And that's not even including the quest following the bite.

Contrast this to buying the bite from the Crown Store. Yes it is $15, but as an ESO Plus Member (go ahead, roll the eyes) I already get that amount of Crowns every month. And after awhile, you run out of things to do with them. I can buy it at any level, and I am immediately a vampire, with no need to to do the quest.

Even if you aren't an ESO Member, if it you really want vampirism at a low level, and it it is taking you more than two hours to accomplish that goal, then it is cheaper to go with the Crown Store Bite, if and only if you are valuing your time spent playing ESO at above minimum wage. I mean, if you are working for minimum wage forty hours a week, then your time is really worth about $1.78 an hour averaged out, so it would only be worth it if it was taking you nine hours to contract vampirism...

*ahem*

Anywhoo TL;DR: I know the Crown Store Bites and Scratches and what not irritate people. But they do have their use. Specifically if you are an ESO Plus Member and want attributes at early levels.

Or, also, I have heard of people paying in game gold for bites and being scammed. That can eliminate that issue as well.