When VE plays Red

Winnamine

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

NA drama seems to be so much more fun than the usual EU drama.

I am a bit jealous.

There have been players lawyering up against other players.

NA takes their gaming srs bruh

Listen man, don't drag Canada, Mexico and the rest of the Americas into something that's CLEARLY from the USA

Personally, I blame the Aussies...such drama queens!

Right Luna?

manny254

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

FMonk wrote: »

My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.

I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.

Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.

At this point the only people going on about "VE being the best omg" are people who latched onto something that wasn't even in the original post and won't let it go. I already said it was not in good taste and apologized, if you want to discuss it further that is on you, not me.

And, to adress the main stay of your point, we didn't simply decide to go red for a night, Daniel directly challenged us to do it. If you have a good PvP guid with the capability, why not respond to a guild challenge? If you don't find the prospect intriguing or exciting than why are you even in a competitive Pvp guild?

Daniel challenged, lost, and now things go back to the way they were. Done. I find it very amusing that Havoc people who had literally nothing to do with this or even play the game anymore care enough to come in and stir things up.

You heard the man, let it go guys!

Frozn saying let it go? I am amused.

End thread.

MaximillianDiE

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You heard the man, let it go guys![/quote]

Frozn saying let it go? I am amused.

End thread. [/quote]

LOL how the hell did I miss that! Very good

MountainHound

All I am going to say is, it is always VE that starts the BS in zone chat. Daniel will say something then the keyboard bashing of anger/tears follows of elitism.

Hopefully soon VE will mature and man up and be able to work with Chuck Norris or as they say, at least work for DC. A few of the other guilds are already noticing this negativity in zone chat so yeah, they make themselves look silly and immature. When they realize we appreciate the help and stop claiming they are the "saviors" of DC, maybe we can move on

*edit*

Like for instance this thread/video. What has it actually achieved? You are trying to stroke you ego to "prove" something. We wasn't even going to make a video, we only recorded for such this instance where we knew VE would tell porky pies.

Ghost-Shot

MountainHound wrote: »

All I am going to say is, it is always VE that starts the BS in zone chat. Daniel will say something then the keyboard bashing of anger/tears follows of elitism.

Hopefully soon VE will mature and man up and be able to work with Chuck Norris or as they say, at least work for DC. A few of the other guilds are already noticing this negativity in zone chat so yeah, they make themselves look silly and immature. When they realize we appreciate the help and stop claiming they are the "saviors" of DC, maybe we can move on

*edit*

Like for instance this thread/video. What has it actually achieved? You are trying to stroke you ego to "prove" something. We wasn't even going to make a video, we only recorded for such this instance where we knew VE would tell porky pies.

VE never claimed to be the saviors of DC and anyone who thinks we did is delusional and far beyond reason, we just don't take disrespect from guilds like you.

Winnamine

MountainHound wrote: »

All I am going to say is, it is always VE that starts the BS in zone chat. Daniel will say something then the keyboard bashing of anger/tears follows of elitism.

Hopefully soon VE will mature and man up and be able to work with Chuck Norris or as they say, at least work for DC. A few of the other guilds are already noticing this negativity in zone chat so yeah, they make themselves look silly and immature. When they realize we appreciate the help and stop claiming they are the "saviors" of DC, maybe we can move on

*edit*

Like for instance this thread/video. What has it actually achieved? You are trying to stroke you ego to "prove" something. We wasn't even going to make a video, we only recorded for such this instance where we knew VE would tell porky pies.

I have screenshots of your guild leadership saying, in zone chat, that they will never work with VE bc we are, as they put it, not "real" DC, Daniel told me, again, in zone chat, that he disagrees with our policy of allowing our players to play anywhere they like when we're not running, and so CN will not be working with us. And one of your officers summed up her feelings quite well, "better dead than red." We've also been told, in zone chat, with screenshots, that we're not wanted or needed, we are hated, we are spies, we intentionally sabotage the faction, go back where we came from, etc.
So please, tell us more about how CN and Daniel "appreciate" VE's help and want to work with us.

*and if you'd like those screenshots, message me and I'll be more than happy to provide them.

manny254

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

All I am going to say is, it is always VE that starts the BS in zone chat. Daniel will say something then the keyboard bashing of anger/tears follows of elitism.

Hopefully soon VE will mature and man up and be able to work with Chuck Norris or as they say, at least work for DC. A few of the other guilds are already noticing this negativity in zone chat so yeah, they make themselves look silly and immature. When they realize we appreciate the help and stop claiming they are the "saviors" of DC, maybe we can move on

*edit*

Like for instance this thread/video. What has it actually achieved? You are trying to stroke you ego to "prove" something. We wasn't even going to make a video, we only recorded for such this instance where we knew VE would tell porky pies.

VE never claimed to be the saviors of DC and anyone who thinks we did is delusional and far beyond reason, we just don't take disrespect from guilds like you.

A little known fact is that I am actually the savior of DC. I use the spear of justice to kill non believers, and bring them to the path of enlightenment. If you want to find out more look up my one step program called "You die now."

Ffastyl

This reminds me heavily of LoM raids.

I am eager to test my Dragonknight despite still in the leveling process. Would your members be interested in dueling? I only play in the Daggerfall Covenant, so whoever wants to will have to use their Ebonheart Pact or Aldmeri Dominion character(s). Lightly armored enemies have been my only opponents in duels so far.


I haven't bothered to read much of this thread, just enough to gather which guilds are in dispute. I am not affiliated with the ones harassing VE but I do know the venomous comments that can go out in zone from old veterans of Cyrodiil.

I myself still have some (largely healed) scars from the first days of Chillrend, scouting in the wee hours of dawn and fighting uphill battles against the night crews of EP while most of DC slept. Recalling the despair of always being outnumbered with no reinforcements to call upon... Let's never repeat those days.

usmcjdking

I LOL'd my way all the way onto this last page.

Y'all need to get a girlfriend/boyfriend, or perhaps both.

Arashiha

Winnamine wrote: »

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

NA drama seems to be so much more fun than the usual EU drama.

I am a bit jealous.

There have been players lawyering up against other players.

NA takes their gaming srs bruh

Listen man, don't drag Canada, Mexico and the rest of the Americas into something that's CLEARLY from the USA

Personally, I blame the Aussies...such drama queens!

Right Luna?

Hi Resident Aussie here.. err i mean Drama queen now? i lost track.. anyway that is all.

~Luna

WRX

Nice video, I'm sure few are amazed by the results and also by the ensuing lag that yet made more great fights unplayable.

My take on the whole zerg thing, if you even have to question if you are zerging, you are zerging. Only thing I would add, is no matter what some obtuse number was intend for ESO game play, it is not an excuse for ignorance or deflection.

IMO this includes the "no its for groups of 4", "We have the maximum raid size", or "its advertised as mass 100+ player PvP"

We have all seen the results, and this "intended" game play *** is a total joke and an excuse. People can only control what they do, but for the love of god don't use others actions as your excuse.

Xsorus

WRX wrote: »

Nice video, I'm sure few are amazed by the results and also by the ensuing lag that yet made more great fights unplayable.

My take on the whole zerg thing, if you even have to question if you are zerging, you are zerging. Only thing I would add, is no matter what some obtuse number was intend for ESO game play, it is not an excuse for ignorance or deflection.

IMO this includes the "no its for groups of 4", "We have the maximum raid size", or "its advertised as mass 100+ player PvP"

We have all seen the results.

Whats sad is, even if the game didn't lag horribly when doing this....24 people groups are still unwatchable messes when you put them in videos

The screen looks like Michael Bay having an *** through the whole fight

WRX

Xsorus wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Nice video, I'm sure few are amazed by the results and also by the ensuing lag that yet made more great fights unplayable.

My take on the whole zerg thing, if you even have to question if you are zerging, you are zerging. Only thing I would add, is no matter what some obtuse number was intend for ESO game play, it is not an excuse for ignorance or deflection.

IMO this includes the "no its for groups of 4", "We have the maximum raid size", or "its advertised as mass 100+ player PvP"

We have all seen the results.

Whats sad is, even if the game didn't lag horribly when doing this....24 people groups are still unwatchable messes when you put them in videos

The screen looks like Michael Bay having an *** through the whole fight

As whomever stated before (forget who, and not going through this mess again) its not hard to see what is going on here if you are familiar with the play style.

I like the dmg values and view, just preference.

frozywozy

manny254 wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

FMonk wrote: »

My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.

I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.

Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.

At this point the only people going on about "VE being the best omg" are people who latched onto something that wasn't even in the original post and won't let it go. I already said it was not in good taste and apologized, if you want to discuss it further that is on you, not me.

And, to adress the main stay of your point, we didn't simply decide to go red for a night, Daniel directly challenged us to do it. If you have a good PvP guid with the capability, why not respond to a guild challenge? If you don't find the prospect intriguing or exciting than why are you even in a competitive Pvp guild?

Daniel challenged, lost, and now things go back to the way they were. Done. I find it very amusing that Havoc people who had literally nothing to do with this or even play the game anymore care enough to come in and stir things up.

You heard the man, let it go guys!

Frozn saying let it go? I am amused.

End thread.

Did it on purpose.. ;P

I probably have over 25 players on my ignore list who spam Let it go anytime they zerg me down, so I could not miss this opportunity to remind them that they have to let it go too sometimes

Xsorus

WRX wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

Nice video, I'm sure few are amazed by the results and also by the ensuing lag that yet made more great fights unplayable.

My take on the whole zerg thing, if you even have to question if you are zerging, you are zerging. Only thing I would add, is no matter what some obtuse number was intend for ESO game play, it is not an excuse for ignorance or deflection.

IMO this includes the "no its for groups of 4", "We have the maximum raid size", or "its advertised as mass 100+ player PvP"

We have all seen the results.

Whats sad is, even if the game didn't lag horribly when doing this....24 people groups are still unwatchable messes when you put them in videos

The screen looks like Michael Bay having an *** through the whole fight

As whomever stated before (forget who, and not going through this mess again) its not hard to see what is going on here if you are familiar with the play style.

I like the numbers and view, just preference.

You can figure out whats going on, but its still an unwatchable mess....You can't see any form of skill that the player might have...There is really no "focused" assisting as they liked to talk about last time, Its pretty much everyone running around in a blob spamming aoes...Which leads to it looking like homeless man with a sinus infection just sneezed on your screen.

CITADALO

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

Watching 2 blob guilds fight over who is better at zerging is like watching 2 fat chicks wrestle over a cheese burger that someone dropped on the floor.

hahaha dont blame those monkeys.

Sheezabeast

I don't think you guys realize that you all sound like this:

Jules

manny254 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

All I am going to say is, it is always VE that starts the BS in zone chat. Daniel will say something then the keyboard bashing of anger/tears follows of elitism.

Hopefully soon VE will mature and man up and be able to work with Chuck Norris or as they say, at least work for DC. A few of the other guilds are already noticing this negativity in zone chat so yeah, they make themselves look silly and immature. When they realize we appreciate the help and stop claiming they are the "saviors" of DC, maybe we can move on

*edit*

Like for instance this thread/video. What has it actually achieved? You are trying to stroke you ego to "prove" something. We wasn't even going to make a video, we only recorded for such this instance where we knew VE would tell porky pies.

VE never claimed to be the saviors of DC and anyone who thinks we did is delusional and far beyond reason, we just don't take disrespect from guilds like you.

A little known fact is that I am actually the savior of DC. I use the spear of justice to kill non believers, and bring them to the path of enlightenment. If you want to find out more look up my one step program called "You die now."

Best post NA

Jules

Also: I just remembered that Daniel & NPK were the ones that gave VE all the vamp bites upon initial reroll. Isn't it funny how times have changed?

Master_Kas

Nice work. This reminds me of some blues in EU who bring literary the entire faction for one raid

Etaniel

bladeroffirerwb17_ESO wrote: »

And the morale of the story is.. "Win with Ability, Not with Numbers." ~ Alexander Suvorov

*Looks up at video, sees 24 slots taken in group*
Yeaaaaah not with numbers, suuuuure

Blaqueflame

*blah blah* It really is endless.

Force-Siphon

CN are the prime beneficiaries of the current meta and would have gotten roflstomped in earlier patches BC the most elite guilds in this games history were full of players who could hold their own even by themselves or with a couple of ppl. When has anyone seen Daniel and mountain cat farming a resource with a couple of other players. I remember even in 1.6 seeing a couple former NM players farming the heck out of EP in an open field with a fire ballista.

The fact that you need 3 raids to do anything is a joke and makes DC the current zerg faction. Tbh I didn't even care about CN seeing as they are pug herders but the saber rattling is out of hand. VE runs big groups too but VE has pro players who I also see solo or small group in cyro...Kirsi, BBQ, the list goes on. DC is probably the premier solo/small group faction right now and ofc we need groups like CN to take the map but don't get it twisted what you really are. FFS if CN and TKO are fighting my computer starts to cry. When you guys decide to not be laggy pug herders then you can run your mouth. I look forward to the day when Daniel and two other ppl are resource farming I will eat crow.

And dear VE pls don't do that again lovers my ping was unsettling

Point proven can we pls go gank arrius mill now for darfal?

Poxheart

Jules wrote: »

Also: I just remembered that Daniel & NPK were the ones that gave VE all the vamp bites upon initial reroll. Isn't it funny how times have changed?

I, as somebody unaffiliated with either, gave Grom a vamp bite when VE re-rolled.

Keiryan

Honestly, I got tired of reading this thread by page three, and I'm not going to bother reading it further.. but from the just of it, the K-Hole runs groups no larger then 16 and I challenge ANYONE that is note-worthy (don't worry Chuck Norris, you guys are so puggly that you aren't even on my radar) to have a go at us... including you, Anon, come back and rebuild Haxus. That's a dare. Someone will pass along the message I'm sure. *mic drop*

jtaggs17b14_ESO

I love lamp

Darnathian

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.

8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...

Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....

In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA

According to the pvp dev:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.

Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.

So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.

Edit:

It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.

Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.

In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.

Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.

but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.

If only you could be penalized for having too many men on the field!

Well stop thinking your playing hockey and only use 6. This is football so use all 11.

Or go to another game and play hockey instead of trying to change the rules for those that like to play football.

Joy_Division

Winnamine wrote: »

MountainHound wrote: »

All I am going to say is, it is always VE that starts the BS in zone chat. Daniel will say something then the keyboard bashing of anger/tears follows of elitism.

Hopefully soon VE will mature and man up and be able to work with Chuck Norris or as they say, at least work for DC. A few of the other guilds are already noticing this negativity in zone chat so yeah, they make themselves look silly and immature. When they realize we appreciate the help and stop claiming they are the "saviors" of DC, maybe we can move on

*edit*

Like for instance this thread/video. What has it actually achieved? You are trying to stroke you ego to "prove" something. We wasn't even going to make a video, we only recorded for such this instance where we knew VE would tell porky pies.

I have screenshots of your guild leadership saying, in zone chat, that they will never work with VE bc we are, as they put it, not "real" DC, Daniel told me, again, in zone chat, that he disagrees with our policy of allowing our players to play anywhere they like when we're not running, and so CN will not be working with us. And one of your officers summed up her feelings quite well, "better dead than red." We've also been told, in zone chat, with screenshots, that we're not wanted or needed, we are hated, we are spies, we intentionally sabotage the faction, go back where we came from, etc.
So please, tell us more about how CN and Daniel "appreciate" VE's help and want to work with us.

*and if you'd like those screenshots, message me and I'll be more than happy to provide them.

Quoted for emphasis. How easy it is to be a third party and advocate taking the "high road."

Apologize if you think we somehow ruined your ping on a Friday night (what a joke - like last and next Friday were/are any different), but there was no guild stacking or accompaniment of the horde of PUGs, followers, and other supposedly associated masses, it was just VE at the tip of the spear (appreciate the other Reds for making key supporting moves on other parts of map, as it should be).

Pchela

Keiryan wrote: »

Honestly, I got tired of reading this thread by page three, and I'm not going to bother reading it further.. but from the just of it, the K-Hole runs groups no larger then 16 and I challenge ANYONE that is note-worthy (don't worry Chuck Norris, you guys are so puggly that you aren't even on my radar) to have a go at us... including you, Anon, come back and rebuild Haxus. That's a dare. Someone will pass along the message I'm sure. *mic drop*

Rebuild Haxus or Havoc?

Alomar

Keiryan wrote: »

Honestly, I got tired of reading this thread by page three, and I'm not going to bother reading it further.. but from the just of it, the K-Hole runs groups no larger then 16 and I challenge ANYONE that is note-worthy (don't worry Chuck Norris, you guys are so puggly that you aren't even on my radar) to have a go at us... including you, Anon, come back and rebuild Haxus. That's a dare. Someone will pass along the message I'm sure. *mic drop*

Anon is not a member of Haxus mate he's the gm of Havoc. Also no need to rebuild a guild that doesn't need rebuilding as we coast it out in a dying game, thanks though.

There's really no doubt we've had better fights 12v16 or 16v16 against K-Hole than 24-30 man VE, try being the best guild on a faction before being the best in the game.