When VE plays Red

Kaghei · November 2015

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0)
http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

http://s16.postimg.org/7ws3a5afn/Massive_Deaths.png

http://s16.postimg.org/iv3csbz0z/GG1.png

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)
http://s17.postimg.org/rdbdsql31/Troll_camping.png

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/HavocEP DiE.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

Manoekin · November 2015

Jules wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Reporting Jules name so she can name it properly.

But seriously please do this.

& Tex, can't quote you on my phone for some reason but still no to any/all Kirsi-themed sorc names tyvm.

Bellanaise

Zheg · November 2015

Yes, let's please continue the opinion based debate over who the best pvp guilds ever were and currently are because it's productive and everyone will naturally agree.

Any good guild can get a wipe on any of the 'best' guilds depending on the situation and time. Metas have varied wildly since launch, usually driven by who could abuse whatever mechanic or bug was currently the most overpowered. Some truly great pvpers have come and gone, and some truly great pvpers are still playing. Who the hell cares who is best right now and who was the best like no one ever was (hint hint, they picked charmander, not bulbasaur)? It's all relative, and all dependent on the meta. Spamming bats every second because it cost like 8 ulti doesn't necessarily make them good, using WoE when it was broken doesn't necessarily make them good, rerolling DK in the early game when it was stupidly better than everything else doesn't necessarily make them good, dropping a million negates doesn't necessarily make them good (getting the picture?) - it's always about whatever is broken at the time, who figures it out first, and who can capitalize the best on it. People that have been pvping since launch know who the good players are and were regardless of the broken mechanics everyone used. Continuing the 'best' debate is just silly at this point.

Manoekin wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Reporting Jules name so she can name it properly.

But seriously please do this.

& Tex, can't quote you on my phone for some reason but still no to any/all Kirsi-themed sorc names tyvm.

Bellanaise

We all know jules named her character bella-whatever because she's an obsessed twilight fan.

Ghostbane · November 2015

Zheg wrote: »

We all know jules named her character bella-whatever because she's an obsessed twilight fan.

Thats Lestrange, could have swore it was something else.

Zheg · November 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

We all know jules named her character bella-whatever because she's an obsessed twilight fan.

Thats Lestrange, could have swore it was something else.

It's all just a diversion. Some of us know the truth.

emma666 · November 2015

Kaghei wrote: »

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0) http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
]http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/Havoc.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

I agree with alot of what you say, but both No Mercy and Alacrity were active when Havoc was around, maybe not in your prime but you certainly had groups. Like Anon said - Havoc had some of our most challenging fights against No Mercy. From my PoV, Condemned figured out the game early on, farmed alot of oblivious pug-zergs and quit early with high ranks while other guilds stayed, evolved with the game and fought against other talented guilds, thats why i don't count them.

All of Havoc wanted there to be more competition and in the end, it's what led us to quit ESO. Lack of competition and lag. We would often talk about how fun and challenging it would be if No Mercy came back in full force. All in all, I think its slightly unfair to count in a guild that quit the first few months of the game when NM, ALA and HVC were all still active guilds and fought eachother with respect for the other. I also want to point out that Havoc had our own tricks and secrets (no, nothing lag related, trolls) that we didn't share for that exact reason.

As for the video... I can't deny that IR got real zergy at the end. Don't know why you include havoc/hijinx in that. I have videos and screenshots I can share with you personally of Alacrity partaking in lag-infused situations, but that doesn't say much other than that the ''megaservers'' is a messy lagfest if 2-3 alliances stack and try their hardest to kill eachother despite lag, which they will.

I fully agree with Asgaris post, I think Alacrity, No Mercy and Havoc were the best guilds in ESO, hands down. *respect*

Satiar · November 2015

I had no idea so many people who don't even play the game anymore still cared so much .

Rust_in_Peace · November 2015

All this debate about who is the best just makes me wonder what games the "top guilds" all left to play.

hammayolettuce · November 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Reporting Jules name so she can name it properly.

But seriously please do this.

& Tex, can't quote you on my phone for some reason but still no to any/all Kirsi-themed sorc names tyvm.

Bellanaise

Bolognese?

Psilent · November 2015

Satiar wrote: »

I had no idea so many people who don't even play the game anymore still cared so much .

Being a fan of history, I've actually found a lot of this conversation interesting. I had no idea there was a guild named Condemned who dominated ESO in the first few months!

Jules · November 2015

Zheg wrote: »

Yes, let's please continue the opinion based debate over who the best pvp guilds ever were and currently are because it's productive and everyone will naturally agree.

Any good guild can get a wipe on any of the 'best' guilds depending on the situation and time. Metas have varied wildly since launch, usually driven by who could abuse whatever mechanic or bug was currently the most overpowered. Some truly great pvpers have come and gone, and some truly great pvpers are still playing. Who the hell cares who is best right now and who was the best like no one ever was (hint hint, they picked charmander, not bulbasaur)? It's all relative, and all dependent on the meta. Spamming bats every second because it cost like 8 ulti doesn't necessarily make them good, using WoE when it was broken doesn't necessarily make them good, rerolling DK in the early game when it was stupidly better than everything else doesn't necessarily make them good, dropping a million negates doesn't necessarily make them good (getting the picture?) - it's always about whatever is broken at the time, who figures it out first, and who can capitalize the best on it. People that have been pvping since launch know who the good players are and were regardless of the broken mechanics everyone used. Continuing the 'best' debate is just silly at this point.

Manoekin wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Reporting Jules name so she can name it properly.

But seriously please do this.

& Tex, cuan't quote you on my phone for some reason but still no to any/all Kirsi-themed sorc names tyvm.

Bellanaise

We all know jules named her character bella-whatever because she's an obsessed twilight fan.

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

Manoekin · November 2015

emma666 wrote: »

Kaghei wrote: »

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0) http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
]http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/Havoc.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

I agree with alot of what you say, but both No Mercy and Alacrity were active when Havoc was around, maybe not in your prime but you certainly had groups. Like Anon said - Havoc had some of our most challenging fights against No Mercy. From my PoV, Condemned figured out the game early on, farmed alot of oblivious pug-zergs and quit early with high ranks while other guilds stayed, evolved with the game and fought against other talented guilds, thats why i don't count them.

All of Havoc wanted there to be more competition and in the end, it's what led us to quit ESO. Lack of competition and lag. We would often talk about how fun and challenging it would be if No Mercy came back in full force. All in all, I think its slightly unfair to count in a guild that quit the first few months of the game when NM, ALA and HVC were all still active guilds and fought eachother with respect for the other. I also want to point out that Havoc had our own tricks and secrets (no, nothing lag related, trolls) that we didn't share for that exact reason.

As for the video... I can't deny that IR got real zergy at the end. Don't know why you include havoc/hijinx in that. I have videos and screenshots I can share with you personally of Alacrity partaking in lag-infused situations, but that doesn't say much other than that the ''megaservers'' is a messy lagfest if 2-3 alliances stack and try their hardest to kill eachother despite lag, which they will.

I fully agree with Asgaris post, I think Alacrity, No Mercy and Havoc were the best guilds in ESO, hands down. *respect*

I'll say it I guess. The players in Havoc either played second fiddle to us when they were on AD, or were farmed by us when they were on EP. Abusing WoE, heal debuff stacking, and other things against guilds that had most of their original players quit the game by the time your guild was even formed doesn't bring you into the discussion imo. I liked most of the players in Havoc, but I wouldn't go around claiming this or that if I were you. It's even been said by some of you that guilds ran away from you. No one ran away. We left Thornblade for Chillrend because there were good fights there without lag. We left Chillrend when all the Thornblade EP came to Chillrend and turned it into the new lag server. Becoming the new zerg faction and having the numbers to win in lag doesn't mean people fear you. It means they want to quit the game because you're ruining it for them by making it unplayable. The same goes for abusing game breaking bugs and you know what I'm talking about.

frozywozy · November 2015

Manoekin wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

Kaghei wrote: »

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0) http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
]http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/Havoc.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

I agree with alot of what you say, but both No Mercy and Alacrity were active when Havoc was around, maybe not in your prime but you certainly had groups. Like Anon said - Havoc had some of our most challenging fights against No Mercy. From my PoV, Condemned figured out the game early on, farmed alot of oblivious pug-zergs and quit early with high ranks while other guilds stayed, evolved with the game and fought against other talented guilds, thats why i don't count them.

All of Havoc wanted there to be more competition and in the end, it's what led us to quit ESO. Lack of competition and lag. We would often talk about how fun and challenging it would be if No Mercy came back in full force. All in all, I think its slightly unfair to count in a guild that quit the first few months of the game when NM, ALA and HVC were all still active guilds and fought eachother with respect for the other. I also want to point out that Havoc had our own tricks and secrets (no, nothing lag related, trolls) that we didn't share for that exact reason.

As for the video... I can't deny that IR got real zergy at the end. Don't know why you include havoc/hijinx in that. I have videos and screenshots I can share with you personally of Alacrity partaking in lag-infused situations, but that doesn't say much other than that the ''megaservers'' is a messy lagfest if 2-3 alliances stack and try their hardest to kill eachother despite lag, which they will.

I fully agree with Asgaris post, I think Alacrity, No Mercy and Havoc were the best guilds in ESO, hands down. *respect*

emma666 wrote: »

Kaghei wrote: »

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0) http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
]http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/Havoc.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

I agree with alot of what you say, but both No Mercy and Alacrity were active when Havoc was around, maybe not in your prime but you certainly had groups. Like Anon said - Havoc had some of our most challenging fights against No Mercy. From my PoV, Condemned figured out the game early on, farmed alot of oblivious pug-zergs and quit early with high ranks while other guilds stayed, evolved with the game and fought against other talented guilds, thats why i don't count them.

All of Havoc wanted there to be more competition and in the end, it's what led us to quit ESO. Lack of competition and lag. We would often talk about how fun and challenging it would be if No Mercy came back in full force. All in all, I think its slightly unfair to count in a guild that quit the first few months of the game when NM, ALA and HVC were all still active guilds and fought eachother with respect for the other. I also want to point out that Havoc had our own tricks and secrets (no, nothing lag related, trolls) that we didn't share for that exact reason.

As for the video... I can't deny that IR got real zergy at the end. Don't know why you include havoc/hijinx in that. I have videos and screenshots I can share with you personally of Alacrity partaking in lag-infused situations, but that doesn't say much other than that the ''megaservers'' is a messy lagfest if 2-3 alliances stack and try their hardest to kill eachother despite lag, which they will.

I fully agree with Asgaris post, I think Alacrity, No Mercy and Havoc were the best guilds in ESO, hands down. *respect*

I'll say it I guess. The players in Havoc either played second fiddle to us when they were on AD, or were farmed by us when they were on EP. Abusing WoE, heal debuff stacking, and other things against guilds that had most of their original players quit the game by the time your guild was even formed doesn't bring you into the discussion imo. I liked most of the players in Havoc, but I wouldn't go around claiming this or that if I were you. It's even been said by some of you that guilds ran away from you. No one ran away. We left Thornblade for Chillrend because there were good fights there without lag. We left Chillrend when all the Thornblade EP came to Chillrend and turned it into the new lag server. Becoming the new zerg faction and having the numbers to win in lag doesn't mean people fear you. It means they want to quit the game because you're ruining it for them by making it unplayable. The same goes for abusing game breaking bugs and you know what I'm talking about.

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Ghostbane · November 2015

Jules wrote: »

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

You actually didn't kill him tho, you just nudged him over.

#justsayin

Weberda · November 2015

I guess the definition of "best guild" is rather subjective. For me I look at it as "what have you done for your alliance today?" and when I think about it in those terms I have to go back to my early days in PvP on Thorn with AD. In the last 14 months the one guild that impressed me the most in that respect was Margaret and The Midnight Moonlight Crew.

They won't get mentioned by anybody here because they didn't do drama or videos showing how great they were. And they weren't a big group with big names. But day in and day out they came on after school and work and did the things that AvA is all about. Whether it was flipping a keep under the nose of NM or saving Alessia from an EP siege they just went about their business and did what was necessary to keep AD competitive in the scoring. If you were around to give them a hand you got a thank you from them too.

I don't know where they all ended up but they'll always have my respect and admiration.

Jules · November 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

You actually didn't kill him tho, you just nudged him over.

#justsayin

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

…

It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch…"
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

Publius_Scipio · November 2015

Jules has the name Jules because that's what Julian Edelman is called by his buddies. She is still waiting for Edelman to ring her doorbell one day and be standing outside her door with flowers. Then they will have a long talk about ESO and her guild and Julian will fall deeply madly in love with her.

As far as best guild this and best guild that. Doesn't really matter to me, There are in my opinion TWO "most famous" players in all of ESO. One is Methuselah and the other went by the name of Fixate.... Yeah I mother [snip] said it. And just remember this, when Fixate was around no one knew who Methuselah even was I don't think. That's how powerful this Fixate character was. Now during the heyday of Fixate I know many people will go back and forth about what exploit he took advantage of way back then, but that discussion doesn't matter to me. I am just sad that during the days of Fixate I couldn't even be in Cyrodiil for more than 15 minutes before the memory leaks sent be back to my desktop. Sad I never got to whip up one of my internationally known forum posts specifically for Mr. Fixate. It would have probably been my best work.

Edit: I also did some leisurely research by asking around, and from my understanding, Crystalized was a good lead and led his army. But as an individual, I am told Fixate was the man everyone feared.

Ishammael · November 2015

Jules wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

You actually didn't kill him tho, you just nudged him over.

#justsayin

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

…

It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch…"
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

Is Bellatrix Lestrange Lord Voldemort's lover? The books never made it clear. It always seemed so to me.

Manoekin · November 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

emma666 wrote: »

Kaghei wrote: »

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0) http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
]http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/Havoc.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

I agree with alot of what you say, but both No Mercy and Alacrity were active when Havoc was around, maybe not in your prime but you certainly had groups. Like Anon said - Havoc had some of our most challenging fights against No Mercy. From my PoV, Condemned figured out the game early on, farmed alot of oblivious pug-zergs and quit early with high ranks while other guilds stayed, evolved with the game and fought against other talented guilds, thats why i don't count them.

All of Havoc wanted there to be more competition and in the end, it's what led us to quit ESO. Lack of competition and lag. We would often talk about how fun and challenging it would be if No Mercy came back in full force. All in all, I think its slightly unfair to count in a guild that quit the first few months of the game when NM, ALA and HVC were all still active guilds and fought eachother with respect for the other. I also want to point out that Havoc had our own tricks and secrets (no, nothing lag related, trolls) that we didn't share for that exact reason.

As for the video... I can't deny that IR got real zergy at the end. Don't know why you include havoc/hijinx in that. I have videos and screenshots I can share with you personally of Alacrity partaking in lag-infused situations, but that doesn't say much other than that the ''megaservers'' is a messy lagfest if 2-3 alliances stack and try their hardest to kill eachother despite lag, which they will.

I fully agree with Asgaris post, I think Alacrity, No Mercy and Havoc were the best guilds in ESO, hands down. *respect*

emma666 wrote: »

Kaghei wrote: »

This guild debate is a joke. There were 3 top tier guilds in ESO, Condemned, No mercy and Alacrity. Havoc became a top guild after those 3 guilds quit/became inactive.

Out of those 3 guilds choose the best. Alacrity were hated by all 3 factions, claiming it was because of exploits is ***. Every other guild more or less copied our methods. Condemned were the first to use negate, we copied and used it better. No Mercy have to be credited with Wall of elements. Apart from those we wrote the book on all the pre 1.6 metas. (impulse, ground oils, orbs, corrosive armour, frag shield, rapid maneuver, cleanse+purge, meatbags, syrabane, kagrenac's hope, outpost farming, tower farming, keep farming etc)

Held the longest running emp on the most populated server during peak game popularity (wabba 2.0) http://s17.postimg.org/v95f30enx/wabba_2_0.jpg (4 of the top 5 belonging to alacrity despite the majority of the guild being homed elsewhere)
]http://s3.postimg.org/6pob5m3dt/Alacrity_on_top.png (we did hold the top 10 before the rest of the guild homed elsewhere)

https://youtu.be/LQYqIS1Sgr8?t=5m55s <--- here at 5mins 21seconds you can see a No Mercy member talk about 'the alacrity' and that it was called that because we were the ONLY guild that could actually pull it off. No Mercy's words not ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLs0oOxTZs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqwpLFIdww

http://www.twitch.tv/isyldra/c/4471382

Lots of negative tactics were used to counter us such as Healing spring spam by that small scale blue guild... Troll camping from we know who... (hint it was our own faction)

In PvE held the fastest AA and Hel Ra time until exploits and leaderboard wipes.

Basically Alacrity > No Mercy > Condemned

As for Hijinx/IR/Havoc.... https://goo.gl/FmiS75 + https://goo.gl/5r91gD

I agree with alot of what you say, but both No Mercy and Alacrity were active when Havoc was around, maybe not in your prime but you certainly had groups. Like Anon said - Havoc had some of our most challenging fights against No Mercy. From my PoV, Condemned figured out the game early on, farmed alot of oblivious pug-zergs and quit early with high ranks while other guilds stayed, evolved with the game and fought against other talented guilds, thats why i don't count them.

All of Havoc wanted there to be more competition and in the end, it's what led us to quit ESO. Lack of competition and lag. We would often talk about how fun and challenging it would be if No Mercy came back in full force. All in all, I think its slightly unfair to count in a guild that quit the first few months of the game when NM, ALA and HVC were all still active guilds and fought eachother with respect for the other. I also want to point out that Havoc had our own tricks and secrets (no, nothing lag related, trolls) that we didn't share for that exact reason.

As for the video... I can't deny that IR got real zergy at the end. Don't know why you include havoc/hijinx in that. I have videos and screenshots I can share with you personally of Alacrity partaking in lag-infused situations, but that doesn't say much other than that the ''megaservers'' is a messy lagfest if 2-3 alliances stack and try their hardest to kill eachother despite lag, which they will.

I fully agree with Asgaris post, I think Alacrity, No Mercy and Havoc were the best guilds in ESO, hands down. *respect*

I'll say it I guess. The players in Havoc either played second fiddle to us when they were on AD, or were farmed by us when they were on EP. Abusing WoE, heal debuff stacking, and other things against guilds that had most of their original players quit the game by the time your guild was even formed doesn't bring you into the discussion imo. I liked most of the players in Havoc, but I wouldn't go around claiming this or that if I were you. It's even been said by some of you that guilds ran away from you. No one ran away. We left Thornblade for Chillrend because there were good fights there without lag. We left Chillrend when all the Thornblade EP came to Chillrend and turned it into the new lag server. Becoming the new zerg faction and having the numbers to win in lag doesn't mean people fear you. It means they want to quit the game because you're ruining it for them by making it unplayable. The same goes for abusing game breaking bugs and you know what I'm talking about.

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Bro watch the video. There's clearly multiple guilds and raids in the same location. There's not even 7 feasible places for you to split up to most times. You were the best at organizing faction rally points and running full raids. It got even worse once a certain DC came back on EP.

Huckdabuck · November 2015

How Jules be looking at Zheg.......

Ghostbane · November 2015

Jules wrote: »

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

It began in '97 scrub.

Jules wrote: »

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

First spell was a jet of red light, understandably a Stupefying Charm. I would wager that the second spell, although nondescript was the same. Although, once stunned, can your eyes widen in shock?

It falls into place though with his body 'sinking backwards' as if stunned.

Jules wrote: »

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

TL;DR: 5 points for Slytherin for the aim, detention for claiming the Veil's kill.

Ghostbane · November 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

You actually didn't kill him tho, you just nudged him over.

#justsayin

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

…

It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch…"
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

Is Bellatrix Lestrange Lord Voldemort's lover? The books never made it clear. It always seemed so to me.

She 'loved' him (manically devoted), although he was incapable of such things.

Interestingly Bellatrix was subject to an arranged marriage, as was the cause to keep blood pure amongst high society.

Jules · November 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

You actually didn't kill him tho, you just nudged him over.

#justsayin

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

…

It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch…"
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

Is Bellatrix Lestrange Lord Voldemort's lover? The books never made it clear. It always seemed so to me.

They were not lovers. More like unrequited love if anything at all.

Bellatrix definitely exhibited immense loyalty, admiration, potentially even love for Voldy. She sacrificed years of her life in Azkaban happily to prove her unconditional dedication. However, her love, if that's what it was, was definitely not returned from Voldemort. If you do not remember, Voldemorts weakness against Lily was her love for Lily, that is what protected Harry. It's even said in the books that Voldemort does not value love, he does not understand it. While he trusts her, her value to him extends to only what she can do for him, not her actual person. Once she stops doing things he needs, like anyone, she is simply irrelevant.

Lexxypwns · November 2015

Jules wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Such slanderous lies! I would never name myself after some mopey, angsty vampire-loving pleb in a hoodie. I am named for the GREAT Bellatrix Lestrange, murderer of Sirius Black, eater of death, queen of crazy hair and all in all, boss ass b!tch.

You actually didn't kill him tho, you just nudged him over.

#justsayin

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

…

It seemed to take Sirius an age to fall. His body curved in a graceful arc as he sank backward through the ragged veil hanging from the arch…"
- Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

Is Bellatrix Lestrange Lord Voldemort's lover? The books never made it clear. It always seemed so to me.

They were not lovers. More like unrequited love if anything at all.

Bellatrix definitely exhibited immense loyalty, admiration, potentially even love for Voldy. She sacrificed years of her life in Azkaban happily to prove her unconditional dedication. However, her love, if that's what it was, was definitely not returned from Voldemort. If you do not remember, Voldemorts weakness against Lily was her love for Lily, that is what protected Harry. It's even said in the books that Voldemort does not value love, he does not understand it. While he trusts her, her value to him extends to only what she can do for him, not her actual person. Once she stops doing things he needs, like anyone, she is simply irrelevant.

I liked this thread better when it was childish eso drama...

manny254 · November 2015

Satiar wrote: »

I had no idea so many people who don't even play the game anymore still cared so much .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTYmuHatJ14

Jules · November 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

It began in '97 scrub.

Jules wrote: »

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

First spell was a jet of red light, understandably a Stupefying Charm. I would wager that the second spell, although nondescript was the same. Although, once stunned, can your eyes widen in shock?

It falls into place though with his body 'sinking backwards' as if stunned.

Jules wrote: »

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

TL;DR: 5 points for Slytherin for the aim, detention for claiming the Veil's kill.

Oh ghostbane. Silly silly.
During a highly competitive fight between utter family foes, Sirius taunts her with "come on, you can do better than that." Knowing everything we know about how much she hates Sirius, do you HONESTLY think she would hit him with the same red stupefy spell after being taunted mere seconds before about it being substandard? There's no way a boss like Bellatrix is gonna take that chastising without feeling the need to prove her cruelty and ultimate power against him. She's also no stranger to using Unforgivable curses. Come on. She's hittin him with that green Avada Kedavra. She's getting that KB. Common sense.

Zheg · November 2015

Huckdabuck wrote: »

How Jules be looking at Zheg.......

I mean, there's a reason she makes all her toons vamp. She didnt even want to give it up during the dawnbreaker meth meta. When no one is looking, she'll spam healing springs underneath her so she sparkles. Dat twilight RP yo, its real.

Regarding the Harry potter quote, what Jules was trying to say is that bellatrix wasn't good enough to oneshot him and needs to git good.

On a side note, thread successfully derailed from OP, and from the 'epeen who's best' back and forth.

Aegonnn · November 2015

or were farmed by us when they were on EP

PFFFFT lolol never. You guys had your time farming pugs, but you never farmed us. I have screenshots of YOUR, yes YOU, and Huntlers Dark Flares. I was emp but still, dont bring that up lol. As emp i lived in Dark Flares, it was awful. Everyone did WoE's especially when purge was broke. Don't be brining up exploits, these were just broken skills, you guys were KNOWN for exploiting scrolls on purpose and then use your "oh were helping the devs figure it out" crap, lol just no. Also, yeah you guys kept running from server to server but thats why we emp'd on Thorn (Anon), Chill (me), and AZ (Hek) all at the same time to solve that problem. This was all 1.5-1.6 all that other stuff before, I really dont care. I dont know what you all did on AD together but that wasn't Havoc, we were EP.

frozywozy wrote: »

People can claim all day long that they left the server because LAG, EP still had the best organisation and cooperation between guilds at that time of all 3 factions and that is mainly the reason why we won several Thornblade cycles. We had 7 guilds united and working together to hit different locations on the battlefield, unlike DC right now who enjoy stacking their guilds in one specific spot to achieve nothing but farming people and nothing to win the campaign.

Truth. Also to this very day, if it comes down to a last emp keep, last keep on the whole map, where a scroll is, anything important, it STILL becomes a blob lag fest for all sides. And Mano you had TKO and Decibel. TKO runs insane numbers and makes my computer explode and Deci ran full raids, it was the main reason we went big in IR so we could compete against the negate train.

Ghostbane · November 2015

Jules wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

It began in '97 scrub.

Jules wrote: »

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

First spell was a jet of red light, understandably a Stupefying Charm. I would wager that the second spell, although nondescript was the same. Although, once stunned, can your eyes widen in shock?

It falls into place though with his body 'sinking backwards' as if stunned.

Jules wrote: »

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

TL;DR: 5 points for Slytherin for the aim, detention for claiming the Veil's kill.

Ghostbane wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Ahem. Let the schooling begin.

It began in '97 scrub.

Jules wrote: »

"Harry saw Sirius duck Bellatrix’s jet of red light: He was laughing at her. “Come on, you can do better than that!” he yelled, his voice echoing around the cavernous room.

The second jet of light hit him squarely on the chest.

The laughter had not quite died from his face, but his eyes widened in shock.

First spell was a jet of red light, understandably a Stupefying Charm. I would wager that the second spell, although nondescript was the same. Although, once stunned, can your eyes widen in shock?

It falls into place though with his body 'sinking backwards' as if stunned.

Jules wrote: »

Though I will give it to you that it's thinly veiled (ha) and unclear. But it does say she hits him squarely in the chest and his eyes widened and he fell.

TL,DR: I'm taking cred.

TL;DR: 5 points for Slytherin for the aim, detention for claiming the Veil's kill.

Oh ghostbane. Silly silly.
During a highly competitive fight between utter family foes, Sirius taunts her with "come on, you can do better than that." Knowing everything we know about how much she hates Sirius, do you HONESTLY think she would hit him with the same red stupefy spell after being taunted mere seconds before about it being substandard? There's no way a boss like Bellatrix is gonna take that chastising without feeling the need to prove her cruelty and ultimate power against him. She's also no stranger to using Unforgivable curses. Come on. She's hittin him with that green Avada Kedavra. She's getting that KB. Common sense.

If she hit him with an Avada Kedavra, how'd his eyes widen in shock afterwards? I know some corpses pass wind after a few hours, but that is just not cricket.

If you are going to argue substandard, I think the taunt was in fact the aim, and not the spell itself. Lets not forget, aul Stupefy is a popular utility in fights.`

MountainHound · November 2015

Force-Siphon wrote: »

CN are the prime beneficiaries of the current meta and would have gotten roflstomped in earlier patches BC the most elite guilds in this games history were full of players who could hold their own even by themselves or with a couple of ppl. When has anyone seen Daniel and mountain cat farming a resource with a couple of other players. I remember even in 1.6 seeing a couple former NM players farming the heck out of EP in an open field with a fire ballista.

The fact that you need 3 raids to do anything is a joke and makes DC the current zerg faction. Tbh I didn't even care about CN seeing as they are pug herders but the saber rattling is out of hand. VE runs big groups too but VE has pro players who I also see solo or small group in cyro...Kirsi, BBQ, the list goes on. DC is probably the premier solo/small group faction right now and ofc we need groups like CN to take the map but don't get it twisted what you really are. FFS if CN and TKO are fighting my computer starts to cry. When you guys decide to not be laggy pug herders then you can run your mouth. I look forward to the day when Daniel and two other ppl are resource farming I will eat crow.

And dear VE pls don't do that again lovers my ping was unsettling

Point proven can we pls go gank arrius mill now for darfal?

https://youtu.be/QgvIXKFxcRI