4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.
8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...
Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....
In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA
According to the pvp dev:ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.
Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.
So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.
Edit:
It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.
Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.
In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.
Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.
but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.
If only you could be penalized for having too many men on the field!
4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.
8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...
Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....
In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA
According to the pvp dev:ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.
Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.
So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.
Edit:
It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.
Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.
In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.
Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.
Clearly you're missing the bigger picture here - 7 is the new 8, or hadn't you heard? Anyone that is currently running with 8 in a group will need to jettison someone (preferably a sorc) into the pug abyss lest the group be called a zerg.
The point was that the game is designed around mid-large sized groups and everyone that keeps spouting this nonsense of arbitrary group sizes being magic numbers such that anything over magic number 7 automatically negates all skill is clearly trying to play a different game than ESO. See quoted post from dev, see the description of cyrodiil on the main page, see all of the mechanics that clearly show the zone was meant to be a mass pvp slaughterfest and not perfectly balanced 7v7 fights, then feel free to take your (soccer) ball and go home. The majority of people who spout this ridiculous 7 man crap are usually surrounded by friendly pugs during fights, so not only is it ridiculous, and off topic for the thread, but it's a continuation of an unhealthy trend where people so focused on their egos try to drive down the artificial 'zerg' group size lower and lower so that their skill is never questioned, and if they do die, well - they were zerged down by that group of 8 who didn't get the jettison memo! You're welcome to play solo, in a group of 2, or 7, or whatever - but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.
Clearly you're missing the bigger picture here - 7 is the new 8, or hadn't you heard? Anyone that is currently running with 8 in a group will need to jettison someone (preferably a sorc) into the pug abyss lest the group be called a zerg.
The point was that the game is designed around mid-large sized groups and everyone that keeps spouting this nonsense of arbitrary group sizes being magic numbers such that anything over magic number 7 automatically negates all skill is clearly trying to play a different game than ESO. See quoted post from dev, see the description of cyrodiil on the main page, see all of the mechanics that clearly show the zone was meant to be a mass pvp slaughterfest and not perfectly balanced 7v7 fights, then feel free to take your (soccer) ball and go home. The majority of people who spout this ridiculous 7 man crap are usually surrounded by friendly pugs during fights, so not only is it ridiculous, and off topic for the thread, but it's a continuation of an unhealthy trend where people so focused on their egos try to drive down the artificial 'zerg' group size lower and lower so that their skill is never questioned, and if they do die, well - they were zerged down by that group of 8 who didn't get the jettison memo! You're welcome to play solo, in a group of 2, or 7, or whatever - but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.
NPK Daniel wrote: »Hold up, I just read it again.... You... won? Is that really how you view feeding me 150k ap in like an hour @ Glade?
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My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
Teargrants wrote: »The real thing people should be salty about here is bulb's horrible choice in music.
Teargrants wrote: »The real thing people should be salty about here is bulb's horrible choice in music.
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
You're my new hero. Word of warning though... they don't like to be told to grow up XD
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
At this point the only people going on about "VE being the best omg" are people who latched onto something that wasn't even in the original post and won't let it go. I already said it was not in good taste and apologized, if you want to discuss it further that is on you, not me.
And, to adress the main stay of your point, we didn't simply decide to go red for a night, Daniel directly challenged us to do it. If you have a good PvP guid with the capability, why not respond to a guild challenge? If you don't find the prospect intriguing or exciting than why are you even in a competitive Pvp guild?
Daniel challenged, lost, and now things go back to the way they were. Done. I find it very amusing that Havoc people who had literally nothing to do with this or even play the game anymore care enough to come in and stir things up.
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
Clearly you're missing the bigger picture here - 7 is the new 8, or hadn't you heard? Anyone that is currently running with 8 in a group will need to jettison someone (preferably a sorc) into the pug abyss lest the group be called a zerg.
The point was that the game is designed around mid-large sized groups and everyone that keeps spouting this nonsense of arbitrary group sizes being magic numbers such that anything over magic number 7 automatically negates all skill is clearly trying to play a different game than ESO. See quoted post from dev, see the description of cyrodiil on the main page, see all of the mechanics that clearly show the zone was meant to be a mass pvp slaughterfest and not perfectly balanced 7v7 fights, then feel free to take your (soccer) ball and go home. The majority of people who spout this ridiculous 7 man crap are usually surrounded by friendly pugs during fights, so not only is it ridiculous, and off topic for the thread, but it's a continuation of an unhealthy trend where people so focused on their egos try to drive down the artificial 'zerg' group size lower and lower so that their skill is never questioned, and if they do die, well - they were zerged down by that group of 8 who didn't get the jettison memo! You're welcome to play solo, in a group of 2, or 7, or whatever - but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.
Again you're claiming the game is designed around Mid-Large scale sized groups based on a quote from a Dev that bares no actual reality to how the game actually is. You can take a keep in under 5 minutes with 8 people.... You could actually solo a keep if its undefended... Clearly using that as a means of saying "hey only zergs should be in this game because reasons" is just silly.
Don't even get me started on how you had another game that the said Dev worked on that had 8v8/smalls mans/and zergs and had far harder keeps to take...a game where this game is virtually copying most of its RVR mechanics from...
So in the end saying Cyrodiil is designed for just zergs fighting zergs is silly at best... But then again you know this..You're just upset we're all laughing at you.
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.
8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...
Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....
In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA
According to the pvp dev:ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.
Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.
So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.
Edit:
It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.
Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.
In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.
Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.
but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.
If only you could be penalized for having too many men on the field!
. <--- there's the point. You missed it.
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
NA drama seems to be so much more fun than the usual EU drama.
I am a bit jealous.
MountainHound wrote: »The tears from VE, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
At this point the only people going on about "VE being the best omg" are people who latched onto something that wasn't even in the original post and won't let it go. I already said it was not in good taste and apologized, if you want to discuss it further that is on you, not me.
And, to adress the main stay of your point, we didn't simply decide to go red for a night, Daniel directly challenged us to do it. If you have a good PvP guid with the capability, why not respond to a guild challenge? If you don't find the prospect intriguing or exciting than why are you even in a competitive Pvp guild?
Daniel challenged, lost, and now things go back to the way they were. Done. I find it very amusing that Havoc people who had literally nothing to do with this or even play the game anymore care enough to come in and stir things up.
You heard the man, let it go guys!
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
At this point the only people going on about "VE being the best omg" are people who latched onto something that wasn't even in the original post and won't let it go. I already said it was not in good taste and apologized, if you want to discuss it further that is on you, not me.
And, to adress the main stay of your point, we didn't simply decide to go red for a night, Daniel directly challenged us to do it. If you have a good PvP guid with the capability, why not respond to a guild challenge? If you don't find the prospect intriguing or exciting than why are you even in a competitive Pvp guild?
Daniel challenged, lost, and now things go back to the way they were. Done. I find it very amusing that Havoc people who had literally nothing to do with this or even play the game anymore care enough to come in and stir things up.
Edit: And I have no trouble with you mate. TY for the input
PainfulFAFA wrote: »
My two cents: all of you need to grow the *** up.
I have a lot of friends in VE, and you're obviously one of the top guilds in the game right now, but the way you've all been acting recently is a complete ****ing joke. From what I understand, this all started because of Daniel and co. making completely ridiculous claims about you guys being spies and AFKing in keeps to clog queues, and other stupid *** that nobody with a brain would believe. We dealt with a lot of the same stuff when I was in DiE after we switched to red, and we did the sensible thing and ignored them, instead of starting some stupid ***-measuring contest on the forums.
Regardless of who said what or how this started, instead of taking the high road you decided to go red for a night, completely ruin PvP for the rest of the map, and then post a video that accomplishes nothing other than flexing your e-peen, all while congratulating yourselves and claiming to be the best guild in the game because you did something that the good guilds on other factions do multiple times a night, wipe Daniel's zerg.
At this point the only people going on about "VE being the best omg" are people who latched onto something that wasn't even in the original post and won't let it go. I already said it was not in good taste and apologized, if you want to discuss it further that is on you, not me.
And, to adress the main stay of your point, we didn't simply decide to go red for a night, Daniel directly challenged us to do it. If you have a good PvP guid with the capability, why not respond to a guild challenge? If you don't find the prospect intriguing or exciting than why are you even in a competitive Pvp guild?
Daniel challenged, lost, and now things go back to the way they were. Done. I find it very amusing that Havoc people who had literally nothing to do with this or even play the game anymore care enough to come in and stir things up.
Edit: And I have no trouble with you mate. TY for the input
Apologies for being blunt/abrasive, but the amount of unnecessary drama recently is slightly ridiculous, and in my opinion it accomplishes nothing other than making everyone involved look stupid/childish. But as others have said, this isn't my fight/guild, so sorry for butting in.