When VE plays Red

Earendal

emma666 wrote: »

While I refuse to sign up for an account on the forums for a game I nor my guild (Havoc) no longer plays, I feel compelled to make a statement. Im not sure why it was necessary for Havoc to be dragged into this, but I would appreciate that we be left out of it or atleast shown the respect from those that know better.

In an effort to set the record straight I do remember leading a group twice in am official duel against No Mercy, however I dont believe we had even formed Havoc yet, and recall it still being while many of us were a part of DiE. That being said, we lost both fights and I am not sure we had many kills if any. All the credit to No Mercy. As many of you know, I have experienced alot of the actual history in this game, particularly when it was actually far more competitive and populated than it is now. No Mercy was certainly the best guild of their time. As bulb pointed out, there's no way of clearly ranking guilds in a manner to prove these statements. This being the reality, the "best" guild at any given time is usually known best by those that play this game the most, the hardcore players and guilds. Guilds are evaluated on their consistency, contribution to the campaign, ability to fight alone, and MOST importantly what they do with the numbers that they present. In other words, its most important what your numbers in comparison to others, are able to do. Im not going to sit here and talk up my Guilds history, abilities, or GvG records because it speaks for itself. Everyone already has their opinions and I am sure that many would agree that while Havoc played ESO, we were atleast one of the best Guilds in the game, if not the best.

As for No Mercy vs Havoc, as i stated above, I honestly dont believe we were even Havoc in the GvG steve mentions, and I certainly remember having the most challenging/fun fights against NM. I also know that they wont come on here and paint a false portrait, as they know the reality is that both guilds wiped eachother many times and would likely have considered it to have been a competitive occasion in all instances. Furthermore, im fully aware that No Mercys prime was not even around when Havoc was created. However many/most of their core players were still playing and being led by their best raid leader and GM, Hova. Hova hopefully remembers the reality was that NM did wipe to DiE and Havoc on numerous occasions, JUST as they wiped us. I also remember him frequently sending hate tells with accusations of zerging and having too many negates (lol). When No Mercy left the game (not all of their players did), I remember that despite mostly everyone having hated them, they(including myself) wanted NM to come back in full strength since they missed the good, competitive, and fun fights against them. That being said No Mercy was the best guild of their time, a time that was probably the most competitive that this game has seen because many of the Hardcore players had not quit, mass exodus had not occurred, and numbers (ZERGS) did not equate to winning.

As for Snu's comments about GvG's with Mega Best Friends (MBF). The only GvG's that Havoc officially participated in were with Legion of Magnus, Super Heroes in Training, and Mega Best Friends. All of which are recorded on video and available to produce if necessary. All three include Havoc winning with zero players killed on our side. Havoc had no control of whether or not MBF was in their "prime", but as far as im concerned they were in their "prime" as much then as they ever were.

I wrote this all in order to set the record straight, but perhaps it will allow everyone that reads it to look back on the history of ESO and better evaluate what guilds were the "best of their time". In doing so, I hope that you all see that its directly related to the time at which these guilds played, the quality of the competition they faced, and the overall performance/population of the game. Alot of this discussion reads like a debate about whether the 1990 NBA All Star team would beat the 2015 All Star team, with much bashing and throwing people/guilds under the bus to being done (a better analogy would include a game that has far less people playing than before). In the end I want to make it clear that Havoc recognizes the true ability of guilds like No Mercy or Alacrity, that excelled at the height of ESO PvP with much fewer players than they were facing, but we also had our time. As for now, we have not been a part of this community (except for a dozen players that remained after Tom Hanks and myself moved on to other games) for some time now, and thus dont have the ability to contribute to the discussion of who the best PvP guild is now. That also means that the Guilds of today do not have the ability to judge themselves properly against guilds like my own, No Mercy or Alacrity. Members of Havoc that do currently still play certainly have the ability to evaluate guilds based on their actual experiences, but do not represent Havocs opinion as a guild. I believe in giving respect when and where its due, and simply ask that we are shown the same respect.

- Anonymous

Take note kids, the man machine himself has spoken.

Zheg

Xsorus wrote: »

4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.

8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...

Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....

In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA

According to the pvp dev:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.

Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.

So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.

Edit:

It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.

Asteria2

Earendal wrote: »

Take note kids, the man himself has spoken.

Or has "he" *cough* Robot *cough*

hammayolettuce

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hammayolettuce

I find it incredibly amusing that people honestly bicker back and forth over current PvP in ESO. There is a reason most of if not all of you have mention NM and Havoc or Alacrity.. The reason is because PvP had actual penalties then for losing a player or two in your group, especially if a healer went down.

Currently, none of you are penalized when you lose a player or even one healer. Half of any given raid is wearing Kagrenacs and has 2/2 for battle ressing passive, barriers being spammed on top of other shields and any dot being instantly purged away.

PvP in its current state is nothing more than a joke and if you yourself think that you or your guild is some notable "thing" in the world of ESO PvP than you suffer from some serious Git Good syndrome.

Best NA PVP guilds of all time past or present will forever and always be: No Mercy, Havok, Alacrity - in no specific order.


- Asgari

frozywozy

I like how the initial problem was that VE and CN can't find a way to communicate to each other where they are going to hit on the map, so as @Aegon mentioned, we don't get 2 or something 3 DC guilds hitting the same location because they all can't get along with each other but after reading all the posts in this thread, no one came even close to solving that issue. All I can see is people claiming that their *** is bigger than the other, well done folks!

Earendal

hammayolettuce wrote: »

I find it incredibly amusing that people honestly bicker back and forth over current PvP in ESO. There is a reason most of if not all of you have mention NM and Havoc or Alacrity.. The reason is because PvP had actual penalties then for losing a player or two in your group, especially if a healer went down.

Currently, none of you are penalized when you lose a player or even one healer. Half of any given raid is wearing Kagrenacs and has 2/2 for battle ressing passive, barriers being spammed on top of other shields and any dot being instantly purged away.

PvP in its current state is nothing more than a joke and if you yourself think that you or your guild is some notable "thing" in the world of ESO PvP than you suffer from some serious Git Good syndrome.

Best NA PVP guilds of all time past or present will forever and always be: No Mercy, Havok, Alacrity - in no specific order.


- Asgari

Truth bomb.

Satiar

emma666 wrote: »

While I refuse to sign up for an account on the forums for a game I nor my guild (Havoc) no longer plays, I feel compelled to make a statement. Im not sure why it was necessary for Havoc to be dragged into this, but I would appreciate that we be left out of it or atleast shown the respect from those that know better.

In an effort to set the record straight I do remember leading a group twice in am official duel against No Mercy, however I dont believe we had even formed Havoc yet, and recall it still being while many of us were a part of DiE. That being said, we lost both fights and I am not sure we had many kills if any. All the credit to No Mercy. As many of you know, I have experienced alot of the actual history in this game, particularly when it was actually far more competitive and populated than it is now. No Mercy was certainly the best guild of their time. As bulb pointed out, there's no way of clearly ranking guilds in a manner to prove these statements. This being the reality, the "best" guild at any given time is usually known best by those that play this game the most, the hardcore players and guilds. Guilds are evaluated on their consistency, contribution to the campaign, ability to fight alone, and MOST importantly what they do with the numbers that they present. In other words, its most important what your numbers in comparison to others, are able to do. Im not going to sit here and talk up my Guilds history, abilities, or GvG records because it speaks for itself. Everyone already has their opinions and I am sure that many would agree that while Havoc played ESO, we were atleast one of the best Guilds in the game, if not the best.

As for No Mercy vs Havoc, as i stated above, I honestly dont believe we were even Havoc in the GvG steve mentions, and I certainly remember having the most challenging/fun fights against NM. I also know that they wont come on here and paint a false portrait, as they know the reality is that both guilds wiped eachother many times and would likely have considered it to have been a competitive occasion in all instances. Furthermore, im fully aware that No Mercys prime was not even around when Havoc was created. However many/most of their core players were still playing and being led by their best raid leader and GM, Hova. Hova hopefully remembers the reality was that NM did wipe to DiE and Havoc on numerous occasions, JUST as they wiped us. I also remember him frequently sending hate tells with accusations of zerging and having too many negates (lol). When No Mercy left the game (not all of their players did), I remember that despite mostly everyone having hated them, they(including myself) wanted NM to come back in full strength since they missed the good, competitive, and fun fights against them. That being said No Mercy was the best guild of their time, a time that was probably the most competitive that this game has seen because many of the Hardcore players had not quit, mass exodus had not occurred, and numbers (ZERGS) did not equate to winning.

As for Snu's comments about GvG's with Mega Best Friends (MBF). The only GvG's that Havoc officially participated in were with Legion of Magnus, Super Heroes in Training, and Mega Best Friends. All of which are recorded on video and available to produce if necessary. All three include Havoc winning with zero players killed on our side. Havoc had no control of whether or not MBF was in their "prime", but as far as im concerned they were in their "prime" as much then as they ever were.

I wrote this all in order to set the record straight, but perhaps it will allow everyone that reads it to look back on the history of ESO and better evaluate what guilds were the "best of their time". In doing so, I hope that you all see that its directly related to the time at which these guilds played, the quality of the competition they faced, and the overall performance/population of the game. Alot of this discussion reads like a debate about whether the 1990 NBA All Star team would beat the 2015 All Star team, with much bashing and throwing people/guilds under the bus to being done (a better analogy would include a game that has far less people playing than before). In the end I want to make it clear that Havoc recognizes the true ability of guilds like No Mercy or Alacrity, that excelled at the height of ESO PvP with much fewer players than they were facing, but we also had our time. As for now, we have not been a part of this community (except for a dozen players that remained after Tom Hanks and myself moved on to other games) for some time now, and thus dont have the ability to contribute to the discussion of who the best PvP guild is now. That also means that the Guilds of today do not have the ability to judge themselves properly against guilds like my own, No Mercy or Alacrity. Members of Havoc that do currently still play certainly have the ability to evaluate guilds based on their actual experiences, but do not represent Havocs opinion as a guild. I believe in giving respect when and where its due, and simply ask that we are shown the same respect.

- Anonymous

Havoc was invoked by long time Havoc players in this thread, that's why you are a part of this conversation. If you're disavowing their opinions and their Invoking of your guild in this thread I see no reason for me to continue that line of thought.

Good luck in your current and future endeavors, if luck shines mayhaps we will one day fight again as allies.

Daveheart

Manoekin wrote: »

I was in glademist for some time. Can confirm 3 blue raids inside all night until losing it.

Thanks for actually posting a neutral opinion of that fight. Much appreciated.

emma666 wrote: »

While I refuse to sign up for an account on the forums for a game I nor my guild (Havoc) no longer plays, I feel compelled to make a statement. Im not sure why it was necessary for Havoc to be dragged into this, but I would appreciate that we be left out of it or atleast shown the respect from those that know better.

In an effort to set the record straight I do remember leading a group twice in am official duel against No Mercy, however I dont believe we had even formed Havoc yet, and recall it still being while many of us were a part of DiE. That being said, we lost both fights and I am not sure we had many kills if any. All the credit to No Mercy. As many of you know, I have experienced alot of the actual history in this game, particularly when it was actually far more competitive and populated than it is now. No Mercy was certainly the best guild of their time. As bulb pointed out, there's no way of clearly ranking guilds in a manner to prove these statements. This being the reality, the "best" guild at any given time is usually known best by those that play this game the most, the hardcore players and guilds. Guilds are evaluated on their consistency, contribution to the campaign, ability to fight alone, and MOST importantly what they do with the numbers that they present. In other words, its most important what your numbers in comparison to others, are able to do. Im not going to sit here and talk up my Guilds history, abilities, or GvG records because it speaks for itself. Everyone already has their opinions and I am sure that many would agree that while Havoc played ESO, we were atleast one of the best Guilds in the game, if not the best.

As for No Mercy vs Havoc, as i stated above, I honestly dont believe we were even Havoc in the GvG steve mentions, and I certainly remember having the most challenging/fun fights against NM. I also know that they wont come on here and paint a false portrait, as they know the reality is that both guilds wiped eachother many times and would likely have considered it to have been a competitive occasion in all instances. Furthermore, im fully aware that No Mercys prime was not even around when Havoc was created. However many/most of their core players were still playing and being led by their best raid leader and GM, Hova. Hova hopefully remembers the reality was that NM did wipe to DiE and Havoc on numerous occasions, JUST as they wiped us. I also remember him frequently sending hate tells with accusations of zerging and having too many negates (lol). When No Mercy left the game (not all of their players did), I remember that despite mostly everyone having hated them, they(including myself) wanted NM to come back in full strength since they missed the good, competitive, and fun fights against them. That being said No Mercy was the best guild of their time, a time that was probably the most competitive that this game has seen because many of the Hardcore players had not quit, mass exodus had not occurred, and numbers (ZERGS) did not equate to winning.

As for Snu's comments about GvG's with Mega Best Friends (MBF). The only GvG's that Havoc officially participated in were with Legion of Magnus, Super Heroes in Training, and Mega Best Friends. All of which are recorded on video and available to produce if necessary. All three include Havoc winning with zero players killed on our side. Havoc had no control of whether or not MBF was in their "prime", but as far as im concerned they were in their "prime" as much then as they ever were.

I wrote this all in order to set the record straight, but perhaps it will allow everyone that reads it to look back on the history of ESO and better evaluate what guilds were the "best of their time". In doing so, I hope that you all see that its directly related to the time at which these guilds played, the quality of the competition they faced, and the overall performance/population of the game. Alot of this discussion reads like a debate about whether the 1990 NBA All Star team would beat the 2015 All Star team, with much bashing and throwing people/guilds under the bus to being done (a better analogy would include a game that has far less people playing than before). In the end I want to make it clear that Havoc recognizes the true ability of guilds like No Mercy or Alacrity, that excelled at the height of ESO PvP with much fewer players than they were facing, but we also had our time. As for now, we have not been a part of this community (except for a dozen players that remained after Tom Hanks and myself moved on to other games) for some time now, and thus dont have the ability to contribute to the discussion of who the best PvP guild is now. That also means that the Guilds of today do not have the ability to judge themselves properly against guilds like my own, No Mercy or Alacrity. Members of Havoc that do currently still play certainly have the ability to evaluate guilds based on their actual experiences, but do not represent Havocs opinion as a guild. I believe in giving respect when and where its due, and simply ask that we are shown the same respect.

- Anonymous

If you can find the time at some point to hunt down those videos and post them, I would really enjoy watching them. No rush of course.

Huckdabuck

frozywozy wrote: »

I like how the initial problem was that VE and CN can't find a way to communicate to each other where they are going to hit on the map, so as @Aegon mentioned, we don't get 2 or something 3 DC guilds hitting the same location because they all can't get along with each other but after reading all the posts in this thread, no one came even close to solving that issue. All I can see is people claiming that their *** is bigger than the other, well done folks!

See post #89 Frozn.

Nifty2g

This is a perfect example of what happens when a bunch of bads fight each other because they're unable to do any sort of competitive PvE content so they resort to second hand epeen competition to feel good.
And yes, get off your high horse daniel

Ishammael

emma666 wrote: »

While I refuse to sign up for an account on the forums for a game I nor my guild (Havoc) no longer plays, I feel compelled to make a statement. Im not sure why it was necessary for Havoc to be dragged into this, but I would appreciate that we be left out of it or atleast shown the respect from those that know better.

In an effort to set the record straight I do remember leading a group twice in am official duel against No Mercy, however I dont believe we had even formed Havoc yet, and recall it still being while many of us were a part of DiE. That being said, we lost both fights and I am not sure we had many kills if any. All the credit to No Mercy. As many of you know, I have experienced alot of the actual history in this game, particularly when it was actually far more competitive and populated than it is now. No Mercy was certainly the best guild of their time. As bulb pointed out, there's no way of clearly ranking guilds in a manner to prove these statements. This being the reality, the "best" guild at any given time is usually known best by those that play this game the most, the hardcore players and guilds. Guilds are evaluated on their consistency, contribution to the campaign, ability to fight alone, and MOST importantly what they do with the numbers that they present. In other words, its most important what your numbers in comparison to others, are able to do. Im not going to sit here and talk up my Guilds history, abilities, or GvG records because it speaks for itself. Everyone already has their opinions and I am sure that many would agree that while Havoc played ESO, we were atleast one of the best Guilds in the game, if not the best.

As for No Mercy vs Havoc, as i stated above, I honestly dont believe we were even Havoc in the GvG steve mentions, and I certainly remember having the most challenging/fun fights against NM. I also know that they wont come on here and paint a false portrait, as they know the reality is that both guilds wiped eachother many times and would likely have considered it to have been a competitive occasion in all instances. Furthermore, im fully aware that No Mercys prime was not even around when Havoc was created. However many/most of their core players were still playing and being led by their best raid leader and GM, Hova. Hova hopefully remembers the reality was that NM did wipe to DiE and Havoc on numerous occasions, JUST as they wiped us. I also remember him frequently sending hate tells with accusations of zerging and having too many negates (lol). When No Mercy left the game (not all of their players did), I remember that despite mostly everyone having hated them, they(including myself) wanted NM to come back in full strength since they missed the good, competitive, and fun fights against them. That being said No Mercy was the best guild of their time, a time that was probably the most competitive that this game has seen because many of the Hardcore players had not quit, mass exodus had not occurred, and numbers (ZERGS) did not equate to winning.

As for Snu's comments about GvG's with Mega Best Friends (MBF). The only GvG's that Havoc officially participated in were with Legion of Magnus, Super Heroes in Training, and Mega Best Friends. All of which are recorded on video and available to produce if necessary. All three include Havoc winning with zero players killed on our side. Havoc had no control of whether or not MBF was in their "prime", but as far as im concerned they were in their "prime" as much then as they ever were.

I wrote this all in order to set the record straight, but perhaps it will allow everyone that reads it to look back on the history of ESO and better evaluate what guilds were the "best of their time". In doing so, I hope that you all see that its directly related to the time at which these guilds played, the quality of the competition they faced, and the overall performance/population of the game. Alot of this discussion reads like a debate about whether the 1990 NBA All Star team would beat the 2015 All Star team, with much bashing and throwing people/guilds under the bus to being done (a better analogy would include a game that has far less people playing than before). In the end I want to make it clear that Havoc recognizes the true ability of guilds like No Mercy or Alacrity, that excelled at the height of ESO PvP with much fewer players than they were facing, but we also had our time. As for now, we have not been a part of this community (except for a dozen players that remained after Tom Hanks and myself moved on to other games) for some time now, and thus dont have the ability to contribute to the discussion of who the best PvP guild is now. That also means that the Guilds of today do not have the ability to judge themselves properly against guilds like my own, No Mercy or Alacrity. Members of Havoc that do currently still play certainly have the ability to evaluate guilds based on their actual experiences, but do not represent Havocs opinion as a guild. I believe in giving respect when and where its due, and simply ask that we are shown the same respect.

- Anonymous

I can confirm the GvG fight Havoc vs LoM since I participated in it. It was 10v10 format. Clean victories for Havoc. I have the videos. No I will not share them for the same reasons I don't post videos of myself in other fights. I wish we had fought more often, but LoM typically steered clear of Thorn at the time.

RE: the thread at hand.
People respect others that admit defeat and then get better.

Tripwyr

I don't really know how this thread got so off-topic. This thread was pretty directly targeted at a single guild, how several other guilds got involved and/or injured by it is beyond me.

As for CN, I can't see how this video could be any more clear. The wipes are included, you can clearly see that CN wipes us inside a keep with the corpses of a full yellow raid laying underneath us. A full raid of yellow + 3 full raids of CN (which are effectively equal opponents as you can see in the video) are barely enough to wipe us the first time around. The second time around we pretty handily take the one of the most defensible keeps from 3 full raids of CN.

I feel like this thread is just a bundle of straws with CN's grasp desperately slipping from them.

Jules

x99Needles wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

bold statement

Less bold when this statement comes from someone who used to be my officer and said the same thing multiple times with confidence.

I'm not denying I said this or believed it during my days in VE. I'm not denying you have some good players and are one of the best leads in the game. Idgaf if I play on a different faction now, I would never be so fake as to not admit that. All I meant by saying "bold statement" is that to state you are the "best guild beyond a shadow of a doubt," is unnecessarily inflammatory and when posted on a forum for all other guilds to see, does come off a bit insulting.

BossTuggles

News update! Zergs now arguing who is the better zerg. Check back in at 11 for more coverage.

Teargrants

Frozn, if you had asked anyone in guild we'd have explained the circumstances to you. VE does not like stacking in one keep fight with multiple other blue raids except when we have to (a la last emp keeps vs multiple guilds), in fact we often leave and go elsewhere when that happens. Such as the chalamo fight last week where CN showed up with multiple raids after we got the outer down, we left and went down south instead.

Stuff like you describe isn't happening because we don't know how to communicate, it's happening in spite of our communication. If CN says in zone they are going somewhere, we don't go there, and we call out where we are going in hopes that they will know what sides of the map are covered and where they don't need to defend/push. I and others in VE can attest to all this.

As far as getting along, we tried that for weeks. It did not work. We have made every reasonable effort in that regards, and there's nothing else worth saying about it.

Satiar

Jules wrote: »

x99Needles wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

bold statement

Less bold when this statement comes from someone who used to be my officer and said the same thing multiple times with confidence.

I'm not denying I said this or believed it during my days in VE. I'm not denying you have some good players and are one of the best leads in the game. Idgaf if I play on a different faction now, I would never be so fake as to not admit that. All I meant by saying "bold statement" is that to state you are the "best guild beyond a shadow of a doubt," is unnecessarily inflammatory and when posted on a forum for all other guilds to see, does come off a bit insulting.

Agreed. As a lead it is gratifying to see my guys feel that way, but I also see how it would be inflammatory and prob the sort of thing to keep in our guild chat and TS, or simply proven on the battlefield.

Huckdabuck

Jules wrote: »

x99Needles wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

jtaggs17b14_ESO wrote: »

VE proved its the best pvp guild in game without a shadow of a doubt

bold statement

Less bold when this statement comes from someone who used to be my officer and said the same thing multiple times with confidence.

I'm not denying I said this or believed it during my days in VE. I'm not denying you have some good players and are one of the best leads in the game. Idgaf if I play on a different faction now, I would never be so fake as to not admit that. All I meant by saying "bold statement" is that to state you are the "best guild beyond a shadow of a doubt," is unnecessarily inflammatory and when posted on a forum for all other guilds to see, does come off a bit insulting.

He probably should have put "in my opinion" at the beginning or the end of his statement. Even if he did......I believe.....someone still would have said something to the contrary.....that's just how the forums are....you know that....I know that....we all know that. As usual (in my opinion)...I tend to think that most people take these things far tooooo seriously and should just respond to the individual poster instead of lashing out with e-peens and dusting off their forum pvp skills or just skip the comment altogether (but that's very unlikely to happen as well).

Teargrants

Tex where is the troll? And you call yourself my apprentice?

Huckdabuck

Teargrants wrote: »

Tex where is the troll? And you call yourself my apprentice?

Sorry Master Kirsi....I shall do better next time!

Poxheart

I think that everyone bickering over which guild is/was the best can agree that Zerg Norris is not a contender and is run by a South-Ga wannabe.

Satiar

Poxheart wrote: »

I think that everyone bickering over which guild is/was the best can agree that Zerg Norris is not a contender and is run by a South-Ga wannabe.

That seems like a good point of agreement for all involved.

Rust_in_Peace

This thread has some of the best pvp in ESO lately.

MaximillianDiE

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

This thread has some of the best pvp in ESO lately.

Cough - apparently still as laggy though

Aegonnn wrote: »

lagpost

emma666

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

This thread has some of the best pvp in ESO lately.

Cough - apparently still as laggy though

Aegonnn wrote: »

lagpost

NPK vs VE is as laggy on the forums as in Cyrodiil it seems

Nifty2g

Satiar

emma666 wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Rust_in_Peace wrote: »

This thread has some of the best pvp in ESO lately.

Cough - apparently still as laggy though

Aegonnn wrote: »

lagpost

NPK vs VE is as laggy on the forums as in Cyrodiil it seems

I bought the Tom Hanks lag switch from TKO auction house before the fight. 2.2 million gold seemed like a great deal!

Xsorus

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.

8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...

Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....

In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA

According to the pvp dev:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.

Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.

So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.

Edit:

It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.

Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.

In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.

Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.

Oh, and for the record..If you're arguing this game is meant for zergs based on how hard keeps are to take..I point you back to DAOC again...which had MUCH harder keeps to take..and still had 8v8 and small mans were a thing.

Zheg

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.

8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...

Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....

In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA

According to the pvp dev:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.

Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.

So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.

Edit:

It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.

Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.

In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.

Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.

Clearly you're missing the bigger picture here - 7 is the new 8, or hadn't you heard? Anyone that is currently running with 8 in a group will need to jettison someone (preferably a sorc) into the pug abyss lest the group be called a zerg.

The point was that the game is designed around mid-large sized groups and everyone that keeps spouting this nonsense of arbitrary group sizes being magic numbers such that anything over magic number 7 automatically negates all skill is clearly trying to play a different game than ESO. See quoted post from dev, see the description of cyrodiil on the main page, see all of the mechanics that clearly show the zone was meant to be a mass pvp slaughterfest and not perfectly balanced 7v7 fights, then feel free to take your (soccer) ball and go home. The majority of people who spout this ridiculous 7 man crap are usually surrounded by friendly pugs during fights, so not only is it ridiculous, and off topic for the thread, but it's a continuation of an unhealthy trend where people so focused on their egos try to drive down the artificial 'zerg' group size lower and lower so that their skill is never questioned, and if they do die, well - they were zerged down by that group of 8 who didn't get the jettison memo! You're welcome to play solo, in a group of 2, or 7, or whatever - but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.

FENGRUSH

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

4 is Small Man, 8 is a group, 12 is a raid, 16 is zerg, 24 is a zerg.

8 is a good group number because its enough to wipe zergs if properly played, Anything past that and you're just zerging for the sake of zerging..plus if you plan on releasing any type of PVP video, anything past 8 is really an unwatchable mess...

Like for example, the video posted in this thread...Its completely unwatchable....

In fact.... There is zero difference between what was in that video and this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JrTxy6HxpA

According to the pvp dev:

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Undefended, meaning just NPCs are there, a Keep was designed for 12-18 people to take over a period of about 10-12 minutes from first Siege down to last flag flipped. A Keep can house a lot more than that for battles between larger groups though.

Resources were for small groups, 2-4 players, and maybe 5 minutes at most.

So, Cyrodiil was designed for zergs, and all of these arguments about the magic number being 7 (we will stop the addiction to saying 8, so help me) are laughable.

Edit:

It's the equivalent of a soccer player stepping onto a football field and telling Peyton Manning that he isn't skilled because he uses his hands. Cyrodiil was not designed for the 7 man, it's beyond obvious. While you can still play and function in such a way, telling everyone else that's playing football they're bad and unskilled because you're trying to play soccer is ridonkulous.

Considering 8 people can take a undefended keep in this game in less then 5 minutes....I'm not sure where you're going with this.

In fact I'm pretty sure...if I was left to my own devices..I could easily solo a keep as long as no one interfered.

Also i'm not even sure why you brought this up in the first place, It had virtually nothing to do with my post in the first place.

but don't expect the rest of us to start playing soccer when we're already clearly playing football.

If only you could be penalized for having too many men on the field!