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Cloak Needs A Nerf
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MormondPayne_EP✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »*sigh*
And the nerfing continues. When are they ever gonna get that this nerf-culture is not good over the long term. They'd rather buff other stuff instead of nerfing everything to the ground and therefore destroying everything class-relevant. But hey, at this point, I guess, it doesn't even matter anymore. This game is moving towards its end anyway.
Well if you read Gina's post they are going for a gentle nerf. Plus the reason why some stuff is getting nerfed is because with Champion System they can't get a handle on resource sustain.
In truth Cloak, is more likely to revert a state closer to 1.5 where it's still extremely useful but not crazily spammable. I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual change though.
and after the nerf if people see a Nb can escape from them what they do?
1 Step:To the Forum!
2Step:Open a new thread about Cloak
3Step:Talk about how OP is cloak because a NB can escape from them
Nothing will change,anyways is the nerf will not kill the skill for stamina NB im fine as i said in my other post.
Be ready for the Nerf Shield Thread after cloak.
SHIELDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED... shall I say it again? Shields are 50% less effective now. Shut. The. Hell. Up.
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »*sigh*
And the nerfing continues. When are they ever gonna get that this nerf-culture is not good over the long term. They'd rather buff other stuff instead of nerfing everything to the ground and therefore destroying everything class-relevant. But hey, at this point, I guess, it doesn't even matter anymore. This game is moving towards its end anyway.
Well if you read Gina's post they are going for a gentle nerf. Plus the reason why some stuff is getting nerfed is because with Champion System they can't get a handle on resource sustain.
In truth Cloak, is more likely to revert a state closer to 1.5 where it's still extremely useful but not crazily spammable. I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual change though.
and after the nerf if people see a Nb can escape from them what they do?
1 Step:To the Forum!
2Step:Open a new thread about Cloak
3Step:Talk about how OP is cloak because a NB can escape from them
Nothing will change,anyways is the nerf will not kill the skill for stamina NB im fine as i said in my other post.
Be ready for the Nerf Shield Thread after cloak.
SHIELDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED... shall I say it again? Shields are 50% less effective now. Shut. The. Hell. Up.
Um, damage is 50% less effective too
Though relatively shields are 5% weaker0 -
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✭Just hotfix detect pots back to where they were. /threadEdited by Domander on September 29, 2015 3:46AM4 -
Reeko✭✭✭✭I have a friend who sucks at pvp yet he was able to figure out that he needed an aoe on his bar in order to counter nb and cloak. Is he smarter than the rest of the nerf whiners in here that refuse to use a counter "because its not viable with my precious one-build-kills-all setup"?Edited by Reeko on September 29, 2015 12:55AM2 -
revonine✭✭✭✭Any of the run of the mill players (that don't use the forums btw) I've talked too on console have no issues with cloak at all. They slot AOE and various other counters no problem while still leaving room on their bars to stay effective (in their opinion). Although anyone could tell you that forums users are a tiny percentage of the actual playerbase.1 -
Wolfahm✭✭✭This whole post is a joke and a giant L2P problem.
I also notice most of the people crying main sorcs... Should have stacked more shield.Edited by Wolfahm on September 29, 2015 1:16AMMAKE KHAJIITS CRIT AGAIN!!!
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✭NERF FEAR (Aspect of Terror)
Leave cloak alone.This whole post is a joke and a giant L2P problem.
I also notice most of the people crying main sorcs... Should have stacked more shield.
BIg l2p problem and zos still catering to them.
Aspect of terror on the other hand.....0 -
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✭This whole post is a joke and a giant L2P problem.
I also notice most of the people crying main sorcs... Should have stacked more shield.
don't worry about. i've got an idea. ZoS can just add a Set that upon activating an ability makes any cloaked nightblade visible. that should be right up your ally.Edited by Lucky28 on September 29, 2015 3:05AMInvictus1 -
Reeko✭✭✭✭This whole post is a joke and a giant L2P problem.
I also notice most of the people crying main sorcs... Should have stacked more shield.
don't worry about. i've got an idea. ZoS can just add a Set that upon activating an ability makes any cloaked nightblade visible. that should be right up your ally.
They did. It's called L2 detect pots!0 -
jediprime74✭✭✭My two cents' worth:
Cloak is a great ability, and talented & imaginative players can come up with lots of ways to use it. I applaud the creative use of abilities, along with the talent to put them to use effectively.
In the latest patch Cloak was buffed indirectly, insofar as several former methods of breaking Cloak no longer do so.
Further, the detection potions were severely nerfed, lasting only 15ish seconds. This, to me, represents a significant departure from the previous iterations, rendering detection potions almost entirely impotent against a good Nightblade.
So...why not leave Cloak as it is, and simply change the detect potions so they last the same time the other potions do.
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✭✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »*sigh*
And the nerfing continues. When are they ever gonna get that this nerf-culture is not good over the long term. They'd rather buff other stuff instead of nerfing everything to the ground and therefore destroying everything class-relevant. But hey, at this point, I guess, it doesn't even matter anymore. This game is moving towards its end anyway.
Well if you read Gina's post they are going for a gentle nerf. Plus the reason why some stuff is getting nerfed is because with Champion System they can't get a handle on resource sustain.
In truth Cloak, is more likely to revert a state closer to 1.5 where it's still extremely useful but not crazily spammable. I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual change though.
and after the nerf if people see a Nb can escape from them what they do?
1 Step:To the Forum!
2Step:Open a new thread about Cloak
3Step:Talk about how OP is cloak because a NB can escape from them
Nothing will change,anyways is the nerf will not kill the skill for stamina NB im fine as i said in my other post.
Be ready for the Nerf Shield Thread after cloak.
SHIELDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED... shall I say it again? Shields are 50% less effective now. Shut. The. Hell. Up.
Um, damage is 50% less effective too
Though relatively shields are 5% weaker
Considering that you can stack damage roughly 30 to 40% higher but magica only about 15% - shields compared to damage are about 20% less effective when compared to 1.6.<Noricum>
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Firerock2✭✭✭✭✭jediprime74 wrote: »My two cents' worth:
Cloak is a great ability, and talented & imaginative players can come up with lots of ways to use it. I applaud the creative use of abilities, along with the talent to put them to use effectively.
In the latest patch Cloak was buffed indirectly, insofar as several former methods of breaking Cloak no longer do so.
Further, the detection potions were severely nerfed, lasting only 15ish seconds. This, to me, represents a significant departure from the previous iterations, rendering detection potions almost entirely impotent against a good Nightblade.
So...why not leave Cloak as it is, and simply change the detect potions so they last the same time the other potions do.
Here here!
Yeah that should be what happens.0 -
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No.
Well, unless you want lowered magicka regen for 4 seconds after using it, could even remove the increased cost, but I'm sure most sorcs would hate this....
Lowering regen on the pool you attack from does a lot more than nerf one ability
Do you even know that bolt escape used to do EXACTLY that since the launch of the game up until update 1.7 (it was nerfed 6 times WITH this mechanic in place).
Bolt escape halved your magica regeneration for 4 seconds - this was removed only in update 1.7 with the now stacking cost increase of 50%.
I´m pretty sure every sorc will reassure you that stacking cost increases are worse than regeneration penalties.Edited by Derra on September 29, 2015 7:07AM<Noricum>
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✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »*sigh*
And the nerfing continues. When are they ever gonna get that this nerf-culture is not good over the long term. They'd rather buff other stuff instead of nerfing everything to the ground and therefore destroying everything class-relevant. But hey, at this point, I guess, it doesn't even matter anymore. This game is moving towards its end anyway.
Well if you read Gina's post they are going for a gentle nerf. Plus the reason why some stuff is getting nerfed is because with Champion System they can't get a handle on resource sustain.
In truth Cloak, is more likely to revert a state closer to 1.5 where it's still extremely useful but not crazily spammable. I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual change though.
and after the nerf if people see a Nb can escape from them what they do?
1 Step:To the Forum!
2Step:Open a new thread about Cloak
3Step:Talk about how OP is cloak because a NB can escape from them
Nothing will change,anyways is the nerf will not kill the skill for stamina NB im fine as i said in my other post.
Be ready for the Nerf Shield Thread after cloak.
SHIELDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED... shall I say it again? Shields are 50% less effective now. Shut. The. Hell. Up.
Um, damage is 50% less effective too
Though relatively shields are 5% weaker
Considering that you can stack damage roughly 30 to 40% higher but magica only about 15% - shields compared to damage are about 20% less effective when compared to 1.6.
You can stack magicka/health higher too.... you seem to be going out of your way to incorrectly correct my post.0 -
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✭This whole post is a joke and a giant L2P problem.
I also notice most of the people crying main sorcs... Should have stacked more shield.
don't worry about. i've got an idea. ZoS can just add a Set that upon activating an ability makes any cloaked nightblade visible. that should be right up your ally.
They did. It's called L2 detect pots!
Which they nerfed. i just find his posts amusing is all.
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✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »*sigh*
And the nerfing continues. When are they ever gonna get that this nerf-culture is not good over the long term. They'd rather buff other stuff instead of nerfing everything to the ground and therefore destroying everything class-relevant. But hey, at this point, I guess, it doesn't even matter anymore. This game is moving towards its end anyway.
Well if you read Gina's post they are going for a gentle nerf. Plus the reason why some stuff is getting nerfed is because with Champion System they can't get a handle on resource sustain.
In truth Cloak, is more likely to revert a state closer to 1.5 where it's still extremely useful but not crazily spammable. I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual change though.
and after the nerf if people see a Nb can escape from them what they do?
1 Step:To the Forum!
2Step:Open a new thread about Cloak
3Step:Talk about how OP is cloak because a NB can escape from them
Nothing will change,anyways is the nerf will not kill the skill for stamina NB im fine as i said in my other post.
Be ready for the Nerf Shield Thread after cloak.
SHIELDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED... shall I say it again? Shields are 50% less effective now. Shut. The. Hell. Up.
LOL keep lying to everyone like every other sorc. You weren't nerfed. Also don't think I want them nerfed I don't like the way ZOS nerfs. But you do the math 50% less shields and 50% less damage... Also why is it fair that your shield scales off Magick a but Templar doesn't? Sure blazing sheild does damage (*** damage now) and yours lasts a long time. Like I said though ZOS doesn't know how to nerf.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MormondPayne_EP wrote: »killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »*sigh*
And the nerfing continues. When are they ever gonna get that this nerf-culture is not good over the long term. They'd rather buff other stuff instead of nerfing everything to the ground and therefore destroying everything class-relevant. But hey, at this point, I guess, it doesn't even matter anymore. This game is moving towards its end anyway.
Well if you read Gina's post they are going for a gentle nerf. Plus the reason why some stuff is getting nerfed is because with Champion System they can't get a handle on resource sustain.
In truth Cloak, is more likely to revert a state closer to 1.5 where it's still extremely useful but not crazily spammable. I'll reserve judgement until I see the actual change though.
and after the nerf if people see a Nb can escape from them what they do?
1 Step:To the Forum!
2Step:Open a new thread about Cloak
3Step:Talk about how OP is cloak because a NB can escape from them
Nothing will change,anyways is the nerf will not kill the skill for stamina NB im fine as i said in my other post.
Be ready for the Nerf Shield Thread after cloak.
SHIELDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN NERFED... shall I say it again? Shields are 50% less effective now. Shut. The. Hell. Up.
Um, damage is 50% less effective too
Though relatively shields are 5% weaker
Considering that you can stack damage roughly 30 to 40% higher but magica only about 15% - shields compared to damage are about 20% less effective when compared to 1.6.
You can stack magicka/health higher too.... you seem to be going out of your way to incorrectly correct my post.
You can. I´ve already figured that in. Yet you can´t do it in the same amount you can with dmg.
A build with ~2000 spelldmg before patch will now have around 2800 spelldmg without sacrifices in sustain.
You´d have around 35k magica before the patch and will now go to about 38 to 40k magica.
This happens because you can´t get more magica bonuses than you´ve already had on gear. There was no major buff for magica/health/stamina pure stats (you could argue prismatic but they are worthless in that scenario) in this update apart from v16 glyphs on armor and 1 setbonus with 50% more strengh and the statbonus for v15 food.
For DMG things are different. You got a 1p setbonus with kena for dmg. 2p kena. Spelldmg mundus (only spelldmg though). Enchantments for jewelry got buffed by 200% (v14 compared to v16) and ~200 more power on v16 gold weapons. All this far outweights the 50% decrease for spelldmg setbonuses.
This results in a significant increase in weapon or spelldmg for most builds whereas the increase in HP/magica (the stats determining shield strengh) are not as big.
These changes lead to shieldnumbers being around 20% weaker when compared to any dmg than they were in 1.6.
Hope i could help you understand the game a bit better. I´ll always gladly go out of my way when i have the hope to edjucate someone on a topic they don´t seem to have enough information about.
Just a little addition:
In 1.6 max spelldmg i could achieve was ~3200. In 1.7 that is about 4600.
In 1.6 max magica was roughly 45k. In 1.7 i get up to 52k (and i have to use outdated sets).
This is on single purpose builds with no pvp relevance (atleast for me).Edited by Derra on September 29, 2015 8:06AM<Noricum>
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✭✭ArvenAldmeri wrote: »Your mad that the stealth class is escaping? Not killing you. Cause I get pissed when I'm killed by insane sorc burst but you are mad that a class is escaping? What are you a serial killer? O noes the nb is getting away. You get points by killing thingsk. Just ugh
Lol, not that he is escaping, but that he is cloaking forever, then burst so quickly you have no time to hit them before they cloak again. NB dont have any reason to escape unless there is more than one player on him, then he has right to run. 1vs1 I would call him a coward. I have nothing against someone escaping with cloak, I have problem with NB that is cloaking in fight forever even when he is stamina build. (I can not streak forever anymore either, why should a NB cloak forever? - no, not streaking to escape but to do damage/stun)
No stamina nightblade can cloak forever. Not even with willows path + blue regen drinks + cp into it.
Long time perhaps if you dont have ANY skill/pot to counter it. But as soon as he attacks his cloak is over he has to cast it again. Some people -.- "forever"EU | PC1 -
Jar_Ek✭✭✭✭✭BTW to compare like with like you should compare stamina nb with stamina sorcerer and magicka with magicka. Just because zos have yet to make stamina sorcerers well rounded does not mean it is in anyway reasonable to compare a stamina nb ability to cloak to a magicka sorcerers ability to shield or streak. Stamina sorcerers manage about 3-4k ward's in PVP and maybe 2 consecutive streaks assuming they start at full magicka.
Just throwing this in as I have become a bit fed up with invalid comparisons.2 -
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✭✭✭You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
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zatohonour✭✭Detect pots needed the nerf(personally think they should be removed completely,stupid that there's a potion that can render a classes main form of defense and an aid in attack completely inneffective)
As for cloak,around 60%(this isn't a wild guess,it's personal experience and i remember well how my fights go) of my time in fights has my cloak countered by smart aoe placements,sweeps,pots and all the other methods.When i lose my cloak either by running outta magicka in a fight(it happens,i',m not the greatest) or by all the counters(and there are many)i'm nearly always a sitting duck as a stam blade built for ambush and normally solo,especially after the patch.If there was no cloak my character would be mothballed for a dk or a templar without hesitation...wouldn't sully myself with a disgusting sorc though.
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✭✭vamp_emily wrote: »You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
Hush don't you dare say anything about sorcerers. It's so weak compared to nightblades, no defense besides their shield which isn't even OP.
Look at the nightblades nerf them , with their cloakspamming. There is NO way for a poor sorcerer to break their cloak making it useless.
Let the sorcs spam their hardened ward with no regen/cost penalty and absorb/migate damage like tank-built characters while wearing skirts and a staff while putting out higher burst
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✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
Hush don't you dare say anything about sorcerers. It's so weak compared to nightblades, no defense besides their shield which isn't even OP.
Look at the nightblades nerf them , with their cloakspamming. There is NO way for a poor sorcerer to break their cloak making it useless.
Let the sorcs spam their hardened ward with no regen/cost penalty and absorb/migate damage like tank-built characters while wearing skirts and a staff while putting out higher burst
Make cloak an ultimate and give NBs a classshield. Everybody happy.<Noricum>
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sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »This is one of the skills that is pushing nightblades in to the overpowered territory. The skill needs to stay spammable for its after effects like 100% crit or DOT removal, but the duration of invisibility should be treated like bolt escape and last 33%-50% less time each time its cast. You should not be able to stay invisible continuously for longer than 7-10 seconds, which is already a long time.
First cloak: duration is 100% 3.5 seconds
Second Cloak: is 2.3 seconds
Third Cloak: is 1.5 seconds
Fourth Cloak: is 1 second
Fifth Cloak: is .6 seconds
Sixth Cloak: is .4 seconds
Seventh Cloak: is .3 seconds
Eight Cloak: is .2 seconds
Ninth Cloak: is .1 seconds
Something like this would allow people to only be invisible for about 7-10 seconds max if they spam cloak. The timer should be similar to roll dodge and bolt escape.
You and others like you are what is truly wrong with this game, first everyone whines about a shields cause there damage is so weak they cannot break a shield now its cloak. So you lost in pvp so everyone in pve suffer now a shield last barely one hit. Here's an idea be better and stop whining and play the game. Every time someone dies they whine oh they should be nerfed there too OP.GT: Dante Zetsumei
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revonine✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
Hush don't you dare say anything about sorcerers. It's so weak compared to nightblades, no defense besides their shield which isn't even OP.
Look at the nightblades nerf them , with their cloakspamming. There is NO way for a poor sorcerer to break their cloak making it useless.
Let the sorcs spam their hardened ward with no regen/cost penalty and absorb/migate damage like tank-built characters while wearing skirts and a staff while putting out higher burst
Make cloak an ultimate and give NBs a classshield. Everybody happy.
I'm not sure either deleting death stroke, soul siphon or veil of blades would make very many people happy. They're all incredibly useful ultimates. Imagine spending your ultimate only to have someone throw down an aoe or use a stupid cheap detect pot. Every counter would have to be removed in that scenario.Edited by revonine on September 29, 2015 6:32PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
Hush don't you dare say anything about sorcerers. It's so weak compared to nightblades, no defense besides their shield which isn't even OP.
Look at the nightblades nerf them , with their cloakspamming. There is NO way for a poor sorcerer to break their cloak making it useless.
Let the sorcs spam their hardened ward with no regen/cost penalty and absorb/migate damage like tank-built characters while wearing skirts and a staff while putting out higher burst
Make cloak an ultimate and give NBs a classshield. Everybody happy.
I'm not sure either deleting death stroke, soul siphon or veil of blades would make very many people happy. They're all incredibly useful ultimates. Imagine spending your ultimate only to have someone throw down an aoe or use a stupid cheap detect pot. Every counter would have to be removed in that scenario.
Well ofc make it like last 5 and non breakable.
But yeah - NB has only good ultimates. Not like sorc with trololoverload and i´ve forgot the other ones bc i´ve not put any skillpoints there since 1.6.<Noricum>
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revonine✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
Hush don't you dare say anything about sorcerers. It's so weak compared to nightblades, no defense besides their shield which isn't even OP.
Look at the nightblades nerf them , with their cloakspamming. There is NO way for a poor sorcerer to break their cloak making it useless.
Let the sorcs spam their hardened ward with no regen/cost penalty and absorb/migate damage like tank-built characters while wearing skirts and a staff while putting out higher burst
Make cloak an ultimate and give NBs a classshield. Everybody happy.
I'm not sure either deleting death stroke, soul siphon or veil of blades would make very many people happy. They're all incredibly useful ultimates. Imagine spending your ultimate only to have someone throw down an aoe or use a stupid cheap detect pot. Every counter would have to be removed in that scenario.
Well ofc make it like last 5 and non breakable.
But yeah - NB has only good ultimates. Not like sorc with trololoverload and i´ve forgot the other ones bc i´ve not put any skillpoints there since 1.6.
Overload hits pretty hard man, 10K easy even with the damage reduction. Though it's weak to DK reflect and defensive stance. I do agree on the other ultimates though they're pretty meh in PvP.
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We see right through you.Dante_Zetsumei wrote: »sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »This is one of the skills that is pushing nightblades in to the overpowered territory. The skill needs to stay spammable for its after effects like 100% crit or DOT removal, but the duration of invisibility should be treated like bolt escape and last 33%-50% less time each time its cast. You should not be able to stay invisible continuously for longer than 7-10 seconds, which is already a long time.
First cloak: duration is 100% 3.5 seconds
Second Cloak: is 2.3 seconds
Third Cloak: is 1.5 seconds
Fourth Cloak: is 1 second
Fifth Cloak: is .6 seconds
Sixth Cloak: is .4 seconds
Seventh Cloak: is .3 seconds
Eight Cloak: is .2 seconds
Ninth Cloak: is .1 seconds
Something like this would allow people to only be invisible for about 7-10 seconds max if they spam cloak. The timer should be similar to roll dodge and bolt escape.
You and others like you are what is truly wrong with this game, first everyone whines about a shields cause there damage is so weak they cannot break a shield now its cloak. So you lost in pvp so everyone in pve suffer now a shield last barely one hit. Here's an idea be better and stop whining and play the game. Every time someone dies they whine oh they should be nerfed there too OP.
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✭Oh noes! I cant spam an ability that makes me untargetable and invisible in a PvP game. I can't set up my burst with impunity. I can't enter and exit combat at will. Guess I'm just going to have to fight like everyone else.
Lol NBs are so lost, they actually believe cloak should grant them permanent immunity from being terrible at this game, and I can say that now because I am officially a terrible vr1 magicka NB.
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✭✭God ZOS game balance is hitting such dumb levels, why not add a update that makes heals,cloaks,shields rolls and everything else cost more per use....
CP and lack of caps are causing this not skills.
I could make a thread and complain about balance or CP and it could get 1000likes
Wouldnt change a thing.Master_Kas wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »You want to know what is really OP?
The sorcerer, maybe that is a topic of a new discussion but as far as NBs go. I personally don't think there is a problem with cloak, I use it to escape and leave danger, or maybe sneak up and try to kill someone. You know how many times I die? Allot, I died so many times my kill counter said, "I was a Lover not a fighter".
And don't think I have never been ganked by another NB. I have many times, I hate when I spend 450g on a siege and a NB sneaks up and burns it.
People talk about about spamming cloak, well who does not use the same skill all the time? Sorcs have their pets to protect them, I get struck by whatever lightening skill they use and magical balls all the time. So spamming is not just cloaking.. its used on every single class.
I think people don't understand what the real problem is.. YOU CAN NOT FIGHT IN PVP OR IC ALONE. If you want to survive and win in PvP/IC you really need to be in large groups.
Just remember all you players out there that want to cry Nerf? Well ZOS does hear you but I almost guarantee if they Nerf cloak.. your not going to like it. The changes they make may affect one of your skills, or it could make one of your class skills OP. Then you will be in the same position I am; trying to defend your class.
What is really sad is, the people that are creating these topics are more than likely players that don't play allot. Players that want everything at once, they cry because they don't have enough CP because the person that has been working so hard to get to the top plays to much.
I see threads on this forum, that say "This forum is toxic". At first I thought they were crazy, but after reading deep into these types of discussions. I am now believing this place is toxic.
Hush don't you dare say anything about sorcerers. It's so weak compared to nightblades, no defense besides their shield which isn't even OP.
Look at the nightblades nerf them , with their cloakspamming. There is NO way for a poor sorcerer to break their cloak making it useless.
Let the sorcs spam their hardened ward with no regen/cost penalty and absorb/migate damage like tank-built characters while wearing skirts and a staff while putting out higher burst
Make cloak an ultimate and give NBs a classshield. Everybody happy.
If every class defends themselves with the same mechanic it's boring.
Nb should never get a class Shield or a strong heal, never. That's what cloak is for.
It's defense, escape and used to attack/counter the enemy without taking dmg directly to your health.
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