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Cloak Needs A Nerf
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
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magicka regen lowered while cloaked, if cloak is broken, restores magicka equal to the base cost.
Can i have magica back when someone uses a gapcloser when i´m streaking on my sorc?<Noricum>
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Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
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Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.5 -
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Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.Magicka sorcerer from start until the end. Always. Through the good times and the bad, even now when its probably saddest PvE dps it has ever been.
Even as an owner of one radiant apex mounts I am against radiant apex mounts and anything thats not obtainable by direct purchase.2 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭Cloak is a bit too good currently. however, the only real reason cloak is overpowered right now is because of certain other nerfs to class skills and item. either un-nerf those skills/items to give players their answer to clack back or nerf cloak.
personally i would vastly prefer the former, i hate nerfs.Edited by Lucky28 on September 28, 2015 12:52PMInvictus1 -
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✭It is a bit too strong in PvP at the moment. I would take a detect pot buff over a cloak nerf, but, whatever gets the job done is fine with me.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.Edited by Sharee on September 28, 2015 2:21PM1 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.Edited by Sharee on September 28, 2015 2:28PM0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
So, like cloak breaking, using a gap closer negates the major point of using the skill.2 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
So, like cloak breaking, using a gap closer negates the major point of using the skill.
It's not like cloak breaking at all.
It would be like cloak breaking if a gap closer caused your bolt escape to malfunction and not move you forward the full 15 meters, but only a fraction of the distance, allowing everyone around you to continue to hit you with melee regardless of whether they used a gap closer or not.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Edit: this argument is ridiculous but fun
Edited by Joy_Division on September 28, 2015 2:54PM2 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Cloak is not just supposed to make you invisible, it is supposed to make you invisible for 2.5 seconds. Just like bolt escape is not just supposed to move you forward, it is supposed to move you forward 15 meters.
An opponent can make cloak fail and not last the full 2.5 seconds. An opponent can not make the bolt escape fail and not move you the full 15 meters. Bolt escape always works as advertised, cloak does not. Therefore, they are not comparable.1 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Cloak is not just supposed to make you invisible, it is supposed to make you invisible for 2.5 seconds. Just like bolt escape is not just supposed to move you forward, it is supposed to move you forward 15 meters.
An opponent can make cloak fail and not last the full 2.5 seconds. An opponent can not make the bolt escape fail and not move you the full 15 meters. Bolt escape always works as advertised, cloak does not. Therefore, they are not comparable.
This is true, you're guaranteed the full value of your streak.
You are never guaranteed the full value of your cloak. I disagree with any nerf to cloak, unless you can guarantee i won't have to spam it 5 times to get it to work. That won't ever happen, any time i get rushed cloak is typically always negated.
Edited by OdinForge on September 28, 2015 3:18PMThe Age of Wrobel.0 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Cloak is not just supposed to make you invisible, it is supposed to make you invisible for 2.5 seconds. Just like bolt escape is not just supposed to move you forward, it is supposed to move you forward 15 meters.
An opponent can make cloak fail and not last the full 2.5 seconds. An opponent can not make the bolt escape fail and not move you the full 15 meters. Bolt escape always works as advertised, cloak does not. Therefore, they are not comparable.
But cloak is supposed to have intended counters such as mage-light and detect pots, which are supposed to bring a cloak user out of cloak. It is not intended for cloak to always work as advertised.0 -
Gerardopg✭✭✭Why continue fighting, zos already said it was going to be mergers so it's gonna be nerfed we discuss it or not, and maybe they gonna need it hard like bolt escape in the last patch because that's what's zos do nerf everything to the ground0 -
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Why are you even making the comparison? Cloak is being spammed offensively, to remain untargetable and forever in a position of initiative. You are ridiculous.Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Cloak is not just supposed to make you invisible, it is supposed to make you invisible for 2.5 seconds. Just like bolt escape is not just supposed to move you forward, it is supposed to move you forward 15 meters.
An opponent can make cloak fail and not last the full 2.5 seconds. An opponent can not make the bolt escape fail and not move you the full 15 meters. Bolt escape always works as advertised, cloak does not. Therefore, they are not comparable.
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Why are you even making the comparison? Cloak is being spammed offensively, to remain untargetable and forever in a position of initiative. You are ridiculous.Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Cloak is not just supposed to make you invisible, it is supposed to make you invisible for 2.5 seconds. Just like bolt escape is not just supposed to move you forward, it is supposed to move you forward 15 meters.
An opponent can make cloak fail and not last the full 2.5 seconds. An opponent can not make the bolt escape fail and not move you the full 15 meters. Bolt escape always works as advertised, cloak does not. Therefore, they are not comparable.
Check the thread. The comparison came from Derra's suggestion(#632) that "if cloak cost is refunded in case it is broken, then bolt escape cost should be refunded if someone uses a gap closer on the sorc after he bolted". I am pointing out that unlike the broken cloak, the bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do, it did not 'fail' just because someone closed the distance later.Edited by Sharee on September 28, 2015 3:36PM0 -
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Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
You still get the dispell effect though and the passives associated.<Noricum>
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Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
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Derra✭✭✭✭✭
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Why are you even making the comparison? Cloak is being spammed offensively, to remain untargetable and forever in a position of initiative. You are ridiculous.Joy_Division wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »ArvenAldmeri wrote: »
Gap closer does not negate your streak. You still gain distance from every enemy that did not use a gap closer.
On the other hand, when one person breaks cloak, the NB becomes visible to every enemy around him.
Yeah and that streaking person has for sure time to fight that player that used gap closer on him while the zerg is running towards him. Wrong argument.
Whether he has time to fight or not is besides the point. The sorc used bolt escape, the sorc got moved 15m forward. Bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do. No reason to refund anything.
You don't think "bolt escape" is supposed to move the sorcerer 15 meters away from a situation they'd rather not be in (i.e. attacking melee opponent)?
It does move them away from the situation. That the melee opponent uses gap closer happens after the bolt escape already did what it was supposed to do.
If we are going to refund the cost of any ability that works correctly due to what happens next, we might as well start refunding the cost of heals just because the bad guy damaged you again after you healed yourself.
Cloak does make you invisible. That your opponent did something (threw caltops, used a detect pot, etc.) after the cloak already did what it was supposed to do.
Cloak is not just supposed to make you invisible, it is supposed to make you invisible for 2.5 seconds. Just like bolt escape is not just supposed to move you forward, it is supposed to move you forward 15 meters.
An opponent can make cloak fail and not last the full 2.5 seconds. An opponent can not make the bolt escape fail and not move you the full 15 meters. Bolt escape always works as advertised, cloak does not. Therefore, they are not comparable.
Check the thread. The comparison came from Derra's suggestion(#632) that "if cloak cost is refunded in case it is broken, then bolt escape cost should be refunded if someone uses a gap closer on the sorc after he bolted". I am pointing out that unlike the broken cloak, the bolt escape did exactly what it was supposed to do, it did not 'fail' just because someone closed the distance later.
Well i´m not arguing to apply the bolt escape nerfs to cloak because that would make the skill unusable.
However a working cloak is a million times more potent than bolt escape and it´s working pretty reliable since the latest update. Therefor i´m arguing to make pemacloaking as part of incombat rotations or to ignore pretty much every npc in imperial city much more resource intensive.
Also I´d argue that while bolt escape does indeed work when an opponent uses a gapcloser it was nerfed because people took it for a defensive mechanism.
If it´s a defensive mechanism it fails to do so against anyone using a gapcloser (or ranged attacks when not spammed excessively) and therefor can be compared to cloak even though both abilities are different in some aspects.Edited by Derra on September 28, 2015 4:24PM<Noricum>
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KundaliniHero✭✭✭I think some of you babies who are whining about cloak being OP should create a NB character and actively PVP with them instead of coming in here looking for handouts.0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KundaliniHero wrote: »I think some of you babies who are whining about cloak being OP should create a NB character and actively PVP with them instead of coming in here looking for handouts.
I have 2 personally, both have cloak and mark for that matter. It is very fun to elude people and drave them mad, but it is more enjoyable for me to mark other nb's and seeing them spam cloak hoping that the giant beam of red light isn't giving them away.2 -
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so right. its the same as snipe spam and wrecking blow complainers. Granted the abilities need some tweaking so that 3x arrows don't hit you at the same time or you can chain the CC on WB but good lord if you die constantly to these abilities you are a baddie.0 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭KundaliniHero wrote: »I think some of you babies who are whining about cloak being OP should create a NB character and actively PVP with them instead of coming in here looking for handouts.
You realize this "whining" is a direct response to ZoS Nerfing other classes and their skills, do you not?. Cloak was originally not OP. it has nothing to do with baddies just poor decisions on ZoS' part that have lead to an imbalance.Invictus3 -
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Everyone spams everything, that goes for all classes.
The difference is the really skilled players add that extra finesse and awareness that is only earned through experience to be able to predict and counter your next move. It could be said they spam rotations. This is why skilless *** who spam abilities generally get killed alot easier because its easy to predict the 1-2 moves they will use, this includes cloaking lotus fan nightblades. I always review the kill log when I die and I can tell you 90% of the PVP community spams there skills. So try again.
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KundaliniHero✭✭✭KundaliniHero wrote: »I think some of you babies who are whining about cloak being OP should create a NB character and actively PVP with them instead of coming in here looking for handouts.
You realize this "whining" is a direct response to ZoS Nerfing other classes and their skills, do you not?. Cloak was originally not OP. it has nothing to do with baddies just poor decisions on ZoS' part that have lead to an imbalance.
it wasent OP in the past and its not OP now. If people are so butt hurt by nerfs that their only passive aggressive means of displaying their anger is whining on a forum than thats just plain sad. Because it aint about cloak and killing nightblades I do that just fine with both my sorcs and my dk, and Im not even that good.
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No.
Well, unless you want lowered magicka regen for 4 seconds after using it, could even remove the increased cost, but I'm sure most sorcs would hate this....
Lowering regen on the pool you attack from does a lot more than nerf one abilityEdited by Domander on September 28, 2015 10:43PM0 -
I have thoroughly enjoyed this game, but the NB's relentless abuse of their cloaking abilities is ruining Imperial City. No matter what countermeasures I use, I keep getting NB's pot shotting from stealth while I'm fighting Daedra or cloaking over and over and over again till I'm dead as well as others.. Imperial City was interesting but the TelVar stones mean nothing now and the NB's ridiculous abuse of cloaks ruins it for everyone else. If ZOS doesn't do something about this soon, the only class in IC will be Meta built NB's, because then at least we'd have a chance. Honestly ZOS what were you thinking when you put PvP in Imperial City? let's make a play ground for greifer NB's to play all night long?,.. I'm sorry but they are ruining the IC experience,.. I've turned my back on IC for now and leaving it to the NB's ..hopefully I don't get an arrow in the head on my way out of the city,..0
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✭✭I'm just saying if Cloak get's nerfed in anyway. Roll Dodge need's to be rolled back to 25% per roll over 3 second's. Stamina builds need something.
DK and Templar's have Mist Form. Nb's have cloak. Sorc's have Bolt.
If cloak is nerfed at least giving us a little back in term's of roll dodge, this will help all the classes.Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on September 28, 2015 10:49PMPS4 NA DC0 -
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✭KundaliniHero wrote: »KundaliniHero wrote: »I think some of you babies who are whining about cloak being OP should create a NB character and actively PVP with them instead of coming in here looking for handouts.
You realize this "whining" is a direct response to ZoS Nerfing other classes and their skills, do you not?. Cloak was originally not OP. it has nothing to do with baddies just poor decisions on ZoS' part that have lead to an imbalance.
it wasent OP in the past and its not OP now. If people are so butt hurt by nerfs that their only passive aggressive means of displaying their anger is whining on a forum than thats just plain sad. Because it aint about cloak and killing nightblades I do that just fine with both my sorcs and my dk, and Im not even that good.
It wans't op in 1.6 it was good. In the current game however, it's pushing it. that's the thing with nerfs, you nerf this then you gotta nerf that. I said it in the PTS and i will continue to say it. that is why i am against nerf whenever i can be. Hope in the next patch the undo the nerfs they implemented rather than adding more, but we'll see.GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »I'm just saying if Cloak get's nerfed in anyway. Roll Dodge need's to be rolled back to 25% per roll over 3 second's. Stamina builds need something.
DK and Templar's have Mist Form. Nb's have cloak. Sorc's have Bolt.
If cloak is nerfed at least giving us a little back in term's of roll dodge, this will help all the classes.
Bolt escape has a 50% stacking cost increase, it's worse than roll dodge. Mist form no longer has the same level of damage mitigation as it once did. so, no. Even if Cloak did get nerfed, you wouldn't be behind.
Again tho, i'd prefer they undid these nerfs rather than add more.Edited by Lucky28 on September 28, 2015 11:07PMInvictus2
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