Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

Fuxo

Now that would be a proper advertising totally in line with immersion.

Vaerth

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Really Guys? I mean Really? If your Marketing Director is telling you this is ok, then you need another new one. This is just unacceptable. I would like this addressed in the next ESO Live please as to how you can justify this flagrant abuse and advertising. It makes you all so cheap



I should also add, we got this on the EU Server. In 3 different Languages.

There is no "European Buy a Pet" day today.

I can only now assume that this is a very last ditch for a quick money grab from the PC User base. Unless of course someone can say otherwise.

I strongly suggest you have a word with them and see if they understand the concept of Invasive Marketing. And while your at it, maybe research how to do selective marketing as well. There is absolutely no reason, with the data you have on your systems, this script could not run and post the relevant language to each user ONCE!

Ok, based on some peoples thoughts and comments, I thought I'd put the link to each post in this thread here, to make it easier for them to see

• Should we have an increase in messages in chat, say 3 or 4 times a day to counter act the large on screen message?
• What if we had a smaller box come up on the right hand side of the screen, making it less obtrusive?
• We have the initial launch information asking you to buy it. Could we change it or increase it.
• Or this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1739031/#Comment_1739031
• Or this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1739114/#Comment_1739114
• Or this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1739375/#Comment_1739375
• Or this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1741247/#Comment_1741247

Keep the better ideas coming people and who knows, maybe, just maybe, they might take it on board?

This is disgusting to see, the game is fading...

Vaerth

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, thanks for your feedback. We want to make sure everyone is aware that the Senche-Leopard is available - and only for a short time - so nobody misses out on the opportunity. We only plan on messaging this once per day, and want to hit each language (EN, DE, and FR) as these are multilingual megaservers.

At least we have @ZOS_GinaBruno to tell us whats up

Obscure

ZOS_JoBurba wrote: »

Now, could we do this smarter?

Constructive Criticism: If it's not relevant to the server, don't use a server message.

The only things worth doing are consequently worth doing right. If I get my oil changed in my car, by professionals, I expect a nice little acid free, clear sticker, for my next oil change to be put in the upper left corner of my windshield, likely with a company logo on it and maybe even a phone number to schedule an appointment. If they use masking tape and a sharpie what does that say about them as professionals? How would you respond if they said "Now, could we do this smarter?", and then proceeded to suggest they lack the ability to do otherwise?

No need to answer. I am being rhetorical within the same context you are. Just think about it, and you'll understand just why I've been so patently "unpleasant" with my criticism of the behaviour. You're all likely smart people, and you all likely know better than I do this was a bad move. Don't be smarter, intelligence is irrelevant to this, it's common sense. Be better: ESO deserves better, the Elder Scrolls IP deserves better, and the industry at large deserves better.

Gidorick

@Obscure

Sincerely. Well said.

Bouvin

Gidorick wrote: »

@Obscure

Sincerely. Well said.

Seconded.

Don't be smarter. Quit acting deuce bags.

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Seth_Black

So many 'experts'
...reading posts here is better than Damnlol.com

schroed360

Just a little comment to add one more post. Ad in game is a big slap in the face ny other it seems).
you do want money...
Pro tips : release content...

Aeslyn_Grey

I too really do not like the in game across screen adds for Crown store items. I feel this is a classy game and it is cheap and tacky to advertise that way. There are many other ways to advertise as has been pointed out in this thread.

Sylvyr

Obscure wrote: »

ZOS_JoBurba wrote: »

Now, could we do this smarter?

Constructive Criticism: If it's not relevant to the server, don't use a server message.

The only things worth doing are consequently worth doing right. If I get my oil changed in my car, by professionals, I expect a nice little acid free, clear sticker, for my next oil change to be put in the upper left corner of my windshield, likely with a company logo on it and maybe even a phone number to schedule an appointment. If they use masking tape and a sharpie what does that say about them as professionals? How would you respond if they said "Now, could we do this smarter?", and then proceeded to suggest they lack the ability to do otherwise?

No need to answer. I am being rhetorical within the same context you are. Just think about it, and you'll understand just why I've been so patently "unpleasant" with my criticism of the behaviour. You're all likely smart people, and you all likely know better than I do this was a bad move. Don't be smarter, intelligence is irrelevant to this, it's common sense. Be better: ESO deserves better, the Elder Scrolls IP deserves better, and the industry at large deserves better.

One would think, when it comes to professionalism, and having passion for what you do, and being involved in the production of the MMO Elder Scrolls game, that being better would come with the territory given the long history of the quality of the title.

Since ZoS was created for production of this particular title (not Bethesda), it's also likely that the standards/culture/values that came with the franchise kind of got a tabula rasa with this one. And it would seem that who came on top that seems to be leading the values, direction, and decisions, are the financial suits. Not the president. Seems like Mr. Firor is either aligned with the way they are running things, or not powerful enough to fight the *** out that is occurring.

drogon1

Wow. Touchy touchy.

I saw the msg flash by and thought ... absolutely nothing at all.

A smidgen of advertising ... was all it was.

Seriously, big deal.

P3ZZL3

Soooo, apparently this has been listened to and actioned according to Jessica on the PS4 Article...

Jessica Folsom 22 April, 2015 @ 10:34 pm
We don’t plan on doing the in-game messaging anymore. That was, honestly, just to get the word out about the Senche-Leopard due to the very limited amount of time it was being offered. We heard our players loud and clear that they didn’t like the in-game messaging, so it’s gone the way of the dinosaurs. We’re working on better in-game messaging about limited-time offers and sales that aren’t as intrusive.

Link: Article Here

ZOS_GinaBruno

Just to confirm on this end, we indeed do not plan to continue with in-game messaging for items such as this (though we will still message if the server is going down, for example). We understand this was not appreciated or desired, and will find better ways to message limited Crown Store items that do not interfere with your gameplay experience.

Gidorick

Thank you for the decision and confirmation @ZOS_GinaBruno. We don't mind advertising, just not literally in our face while adventuring. You guys have made many adventurers happy today!

P3ZZL3

@ZOS_GinaBruno Gina, thanks for the response and confirmation.

Just a thought, maybe something to spitball in the office and raise on ESO Live tomorrow, is whether you could consider the options players suggested on how to do it (I've linked most of them I think on the initial thread). Maybe have a formal thread asking for suggestions or a vote on the best way to consider doing this so the community has a valid input in to it?

Just a thought, but good news none the less and thank you for listening

Oh, and a small side note: I think this thread can be locked now

pugyourself

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to confirm on this end, we indeed do not plan to continue with in-game messaging for items such as this (though we will still message if the server is going down, for example). We understand this was not appreciated or desired, and will find better ways to message limited Crown Store items that do not interfere with your gameplay experience.

Thank you!

PKMN12

who bets they will go back on their word and do it again, with the explanation "this is the only way we could think of to do it for everyone, cause we cannot use Mail, even though we use ot for pretty much everything else EXCEPT for ads)

Vyle_Byte

YES!!!!!!!!!! Voice of reason wins the day!!! Super stoked that they listened to the community and came to the right decision.

+1 ZoS

cozmon3c_ESO

suggestion, just show case it for the first loading screen for the game after you pick your character, i doubt people will mind it there.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

suggestion, just show case it for the first loading screen for the game after you pick your character, i doubt people will mind it there.

We are talking about less intrusive options, such as what you suggested, or a special area in the Crown Store. Unfortunately, we didn't have those options available to us during the Welcome Back Weekend.

PKMN12

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

suggestion, just show case it for the first loading screen for the game after you pick your character, i doubt people will mind it there.

We are talking about less intrusive options, such as what you suggested, or a special area in the Crown Store. Unfortunately, we didn't have those options available to us during the Welcome Back Weekend.

why not simply stop saying you cannot use mail to get away with it and you know, USE the mail that we ALL know you can use since you guys have used it several times previously?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

suggestion, just show case it for the first loading screen for the game after you pick your character, i doubt people will mind it there.

We are talking about less intrusive options, such as what you suggested, or a special area in the Crown Store. Unfortunately, we didn't have those options available to us during the Welcome Back Weekend.

To be honest, I found them mildly annoying but the hysteria around here about them from some in this thread and others is truly pitiful.

Sad.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

PKMN12 wrote: »

why not simply stop saying you cannot use mail to get away with it and you know, USE the mail that we ALL know you can use since you guys have used it several times previously?

In-game mail?

P3ZZL3

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom Yup. People are convinced that other messages have gone out to them from the system that are not "in game generated" and thus, there is no reason why this could not be used as a promotional tool

p.s. Jessica - in the PS$ comments section, I'm pretty sure you said there was a chance that the "Buy it now before it goes away for ever Senche Leopard" will be available again....

ahh ha...

Jessica Folsom 22 April, 2015 @ 5:37pm
Hi monoliet,

Is the limited availability mount you’re referring to the Senche-Leopard? If so, it is possible we will offer it again in the future, including on PS4, but we don’t have any further details at this time.

KhajitFurTrader

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to confirm on this end, we indeed do not plan to continue with in-game messaging for items such as this (though we will still message if the server is going down, for example). We understand this was not appreciated or desired, and will find better ways to message limited Crown Store items that do not interfere with your gameplay experience.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

suggestion, just show case it for the first loading screen for the game after you pick your character, i doubt people will mind it there.

We are talking about less intrusive options, such as what you suggested, or a special area in the Crown Store. Unfortunately, we didn't have those options available to us during the Welcome Back Weekend.

Thank you all for listening.

There had been some great suggestions from the community here and elsewhere. I personally wouldn't mind stable hands or town criers "advertising" new additions to the riding mount force of Tamriel in game. Like, something along this line?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_u7VGiMO0U

Iluvrien

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just to confirm on this end, we indeed do not plan to continue with in-game messaging for items such as this (though we will still message if the server is going down, for example). We understand this was not appreciated or desired, and will find better ways to message limited Crown Store items that do not interfere with your gameplay experience.

Best news I've seen all day. Thanks for listening to us!

Gyudan

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom : the notification window would work too, with a link to the crown store, as long as it doesn't stay visible all the time during normal play.

SantieClaws

Glad this idea is out the window.

Hoping alternative options do not include the use of overweight male orcs with crown store offers tattoed on their bellies (or worse places ....)

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

p.s. Jessica - in the PS$ comments section, I'm pretty sure you said there was a chance that the "Buy it now before it goes away for ever Senche Leopard" will be available again....

ahh ha...

Jessica Folsom 22 April, 2015 @ 5:37pm
Hi monoliet,

Is the limited availability mount you’re referring to the Senche-Leopard? If so, it is possible we will offer it again in the future, including on PS4, but we don’t have any further details at this time.

@P3ZZL3 - We were very upfront about the Senche-Leopard being a limited-time offering, but not a "will never return ever" item. Questions came up about it during the time it was being sold. We stated then that it was always possible we'd make it available again, and that if we ever did release an item that would never return, we would make that very clear in the messaging.

P3ZZL3

To be honest @ZOS_JessicaFolsom I'm not overly concerned. There are enough companies out there that have "never ending sales" I just appreciate the fact you guys did listen to us as a community on the advertising situation

Have a great day.