Oh ZoS - You have let us down!

pugyourself

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lordrichter wrote: »

I just wanted everyone to be clear that he did not say he would shut down the game before going F2P.

Right, he just basically said it goes against everything they believe in.

He also said they won't try to monetize you while playing the game.

I guess what Matt Friror says and thinks doesn't really matter much to ZoS anymore.

They still want the sub model. Posing an alternate hypothesis is apparently a conspiracy theory:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1741354

Bouvin

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Bouvin wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

I just wanted everyone to be clear that he did not say he would shut down the game before going F2P.

Right, he just basically said it goes against everything they believe in.

He also said they won't try to monetize you while playing the game.

I guess what Matt Friror says and thinks doesn't really matter much to ZoS anymore.

They still want the sub model. Posing an alternate hypothesis is apparently a conspiracy theory:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1741354

I read your other thread. And it has some good points.

Although, I'm wondering myself if Matt Friror wasn't being completely candid and he's just been over-ridden at this point.

newtinmpls

I'm just curious if anyone has heard any (reputable) information about how future ads and/or events will be handled.

I did see the Senche Leopard ads, but I do not recall seeing any similar in-game announcments for "Welcome Back Beta" - although they did get a thread (a pinned one, for that matter). So those two clearly were ... showcased differently from each other.

Silverangel

Bouvin wrote: »

Well, I've finally had enough.

I've been a member since November 2013, and I'm done. Not paying a sub any more. Not to a company that will flat out lie to it's player base, and make tons of empty promises that it never delivers on.

I'm from November 2013 too, and I just now uninstalled.

It's so ironic that at launch they made a big deal about the minimal, non-intrusive interface. They were showing it off in videos. Now they are plastering ads onto that. LOL. Just sad.

One thing in their credit as that this thread is still open for feedback. You have to give them that.

Raash

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Jakx wrote: »

Wooooooow. A couple second notification comes up in a game that is FREE TO PLAY. Even if it is an attempt to sell their product. Wouldnt you want them to make some money so you can continue to play this game? Thats how a cash shop works. You dont have to purchase it, I didnt. Dont plan on purchasing anything actually but at least I have the common sense to realize they have to sell something.

Honestly, people will find ANYTHING to complain about. Amazed. Keep on, keepin' on internet heroes. You live amazing lives.

I am a subscriber. ZOS have given me - indeed encouraged me to take up - this option. The game is not free-to-play for me (as it happens it isn't free-to-play for anyone, it is buy-to-play for some and subcription based for others). I am seeing the message. Are you saying I and all players like me should unsubscribe?

You still choose to pay sub, if you not happy with what you get perhaps you should play without a sub for a while. Just sayin.

Err.., thank you for suggesting the option I had already flagged in the last sentence, I guess...

I had intended that implicit in my response would be the idea that there was a contradiction in ZOS's approach that I hoped could be reconciled without my dropping my sub.

Apologies if that was not more readily comprehensible.

Ah yeah it was a question towards ZoS and not towards the guy you quoted. Didnt get that.

Anyway ESO are free to play now if you choose it to be so I just dont get why people are crying so much.
If I choose to continue paying monthly for a newspaper that cost x amount once then free forever people would think I was odd.
If im raging at adds in the paper and think since I actually, out of free will, pay xtra for the free paper I deserve special treatment people would call me nuts.

Do the ads in the newspaper cover the story you are reading?

If you think ESO ingame ads "cover" the gameplay I would guess you need a new pair of glasses? You not serious are you?
Ads in newspapers are made to draw your attention - so is ingame ads.

If you think after a day of your reply being in one of the hottest threads and having absolutely no agrees makes your stance strong...

Your analogy was weak.

Since you probably missed it ealier in this thread. How would you like it if you were watching a star wars movie in the theatre and during a light sabre fight you see in bold yellow letters "Popcorn available now. Get it while it's hot and available!" flashed several time in multiple languages?

How would you like to be in a ride at disney land and halfway through they blare "This ride has been brought to you by Sam's Hardware, it's hammertime!" and play some MC hammer. (well you might like that...)

Lets just say that im smart enough to understand that going into a dog pets conference partaking in a discussion topic about if their loved family members should be banned from public places due to that many people are suffering of allergies etc wouldnt render me many agrees either if my stance are opposed to theirs.

This thread is like that really. But dont worry, I do not count on that guys like you get that.

Genomic

gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't mind this.
I have a bigger problem with the motifs being added to the crown store.

See, I don't have a huge issue with either of those things. When looked at individually, they're not a big deal.

The issue is the overall effect of all the changes that have come and will come with B2P. It's the cumulative effect of every small, incremental change that will result in an overall, significant degradation of the quality and spirit of the game, from the 'premium' experience initially advertised to just another cash shop MMO. The ES franchise deserves better than that.

DaveMoeDee

While I found the ads tacky and disappointing, as someone without a sub, I support some minimal advertising to people who don't have a sub. If I had a sub, I would find this very annoying, especially as someone who has zero interest in any vanity items.

sagitter

So many sad ppl here.

Raash

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Its quite interesting really.
One would think that in a game that has struggled (and still do) with broken quest chains, bots, bugs upon bugs in PVE & PVP, lags that rendering game unplayable at times, exploits - wich those who used em went unpunished, class & skill line inbalances, lazy and awkward design choices such as the horrible phasing system, forcing people to do all alliances, bodypainted armors & copy/pasted layouts in structures and dwelves all built up same way ending with a one way door leading to entrance would have been stuff that mattered the most in regards of immersion and playability..
But ALL this has been defended in absurdum and now a few seconds of a little yellow text unite the community in a mob-frenzy because this is unbearable to be able to enjoy the game.

Its pretty damn funny actually

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Seth_Black

I don't see the problem really.
Some people didn't even know it will be available since they don't read forums at all
...and still they wanted to have it.
Since it's really limited time edition why not announcing it this way?
If you don't want it ...ignore it. But still I don't see any reasons to rage about it.
For a lot of players (like me) it was really nice way to spend some crown leftovers from still active subscription.
Tbh all those 'disappointed' comments sound just simply envious (?)
Pointless

...just enjoy the game!

SantieClaws

Seth_Black wrote: »

...just enjoy the game!

Actually that's just what I was doing. Before a great big chunk of bright yellow text appeared in the sky in Malabal Tor.

Seth_Black

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

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Seth_Black wrote: »

...just enjoy the game!

Actually that's just what I was doing. Before a great big chunk of bright yellow text appeared in the sky in Malabal Tor.

Did it HURT you?
It didn't stay on your screen for long... so probably damage done is close to none anyway.
...or you're having nightmares about it?

SantieClaws

It's just I don't expect to see yellow text in the sky either when I am walking down the park feeding the ducks or shooting monkeys in Malabal Tor. It's jarring and uncomfortable and distracts me from what I am doing. It is an unecessary irritation.

Yellow text should not ever be flashing in front of my eyes no matter what reality I am in.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

its going downhill fast with this game, more like dropping off a cliff

leshpar

I don't see the big deal. Every other MMO I have ever played is far more intrusive with their advertisements. This game does an amazing job.

Xandryah

it surely looks rather cheap and unelegant completely... but you can get over it, don't you?

it's not the end of the world...?

if i had to do some advertisement, i would have implemented it in the window where you choose your toon you want to play
after logging in... that would have been the best solution, because everyone will see the ad , when starting the game...

and it could be there all the time , not just once a day... that would have been better, imo

but , this is a bit of a psychological exercise i think... we can get over it

Raash

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

its going downhill fast with this game, more like dropping off a cliff

You think? I think its been going downhill for a very long time now with a free fall the few months directly after launch. Nowadays its more like sliding downwards. And this time its just a primadonnas gathering reminding much of the old classic "The princess and the pea"- the multiplayer edition.

P3ZZL3

As covered several times in these pages, it's HOW it was done, rather than the fact it was done.

There are/were so many options that ZoS could have taken to increase their advertising and make it far more engrained into the game/style or less obtrusive where they still would have got their message across and an effective response.

That's the core point I was certainly making, rather than "OMG, WTF, They are advertising" which so many people seem to think I was saying.

Personally I loved the idea of a couple of Senche Mounts sitting outside the Bank in all cities that could be interacted with about the special offer. Would have been a clever concept and shown off the product and been in line with the environment (look at the baby wamasu?) that wanders around at the Undaunted camp in Stormhaven).

Gandrhulf_Harbard

leshpar wrote: »

I don't see the big deal. Every other MMO I have ever played is far more intrusive with their advertisements. This game does an amazing job.

Even Neverwinter (the most intrusive game I have played) doesn't flash big yellow adverts across the screen.

All The Best

Gandrhulf_Harbard

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

As covered several times in these pages, it's HOW it was done, rather than the fact it was done.

There are/were so many options that ZoS could have taken to increase their advertising and make it far more engrained into the game/style or less obtrusive where they still would have got their message across and an effective response.

That's the core point I was certainly making, rather than "OMG, WTF, They are advertising" which so many people seem to think I was saying.

Personally I loved the idea of a couple of Senche Mounts sitting outside the Bank in all cities that could be interacted with about the special offer. Would have been a clever concept and shown off the product and been in line with the environment (look at the baby wamasu?) that wanders around at the Undaunted camp in Stormhaven).

There are myriad ways ZoS could increase advertising potential 1000% and still not be as intrusive as the "Yellow Message".

You are correct, each town could have a stable (oh wait, many do) with the different purchasable mounts in the stalls. Maybe a Stable-Master who will promote the mounts and sell them.

Cosmetics could be on mannequins in the Armourer / Clothier stalls, again with a merchant selling/promoting them.

Heck they could even do that with the Store bought potions - have an Apothecary Guild Trader in or near the Alchemy stations. If they want to make it really, really immersive they could have a brief introductory quest to gain access as "Preferred Customer" of the Apothecary Guild - maybe like collect/deliver some rare ingredient.

They could make the Store and its products part of what is otherwise an immensely immersive game-world and most of the people complaining in this thread would have nothing to complain about.

Instead they chose the least effort, least investment route and it has backfired - people are deliberately not buying the mount advertised and some people have unsubbed, and Customer Satisfaction is in free-fall.

Whoever gave the green-light to the Yellow Message approach really should reconsider what they think they know about effective marketing.

All The Best

Gidorick

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gurluasb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't mind this.
I have a bigger problem with the motifs being added to the crown store.

See, I don't have a huge issue with either of those things. When looked at individually, they're not a big deal.

The issue is the overall effect of all the changes that have come and will come with B2P. It's the cumulative effect of every small, incremental change that will result in an overall, significant degradation of the quality and spirit of the game, from the 'premium' experience initially advertised to just another cash shop MMO. The ES franchise deserves better than that.

Well said sir!

anitajoneb17_ESO

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P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Personally I loved the idea of a couple of Senche Mounts sitting outside the Bank in all cities that could be interacted with about the special offer. Would have been a clever concept and shown off the product and been in line with the environment (look at the baby wamasu?) that wanders around at the Undaunted camp in Stormhaven).

There are myriad ways ZoS could increase advertising potential 1000% and still not be as intrusive as the "Yellow Message".

You are correct, each town could have a stable (oh wait, many do) with the different purchasable mounts in the stalls. Maybe a Stable-Master who will promote the mounts and sell them.
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No no no !

As much as I dislike the "yellow text", I appreciate the way all crown-shop related stuff is clearly separated from the game world itself. "Blending it" would be far more immersion ruining than anything else. We're in Tamriel. In Nirn. There's gold and alliance points there. Not crowns or euros. NPC don't know anything about the Crown Store or our cosmetic stuff and that is very good this way.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

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Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Personally I loved the idea of a couple of Senche Mounts sitting outside the Bank in all cities that could be interacted with about the special offer. Would have been a clever concept and shown off the product and been in line with the environment (look at the baby wamasu?) that wanders around at the Undaunted camp in Stormhaven).

There are myriad ways ZoS could increase advertising potential 1000% and still not be as intrusive as the "Yellow Message".

You are correct, each town could have a stable (oh wait, many do) with the different purchasable mounts in the stalls. Maybe a Stable-Master who will promote the mounts and sell them.
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No no no !

As much as I dislike the "yellow text", I appreciate the way all crown-shop related stuff is clearly separated from the game world itself. "Blending it" would be far more immersion ruining than anything else. We're in Tamriel. In Nirn. There's gold and alliance points there. Not crowns or euros. NPC don't know anything about the Crown Store or our cosmetic stuff and that is very good this way.

Well Alliance Points are already immersion breaking they are an abstract meta-currency that has no physical counterpart in the game-world.

Crown Store traders could be identified like all other traders with a pennant/flag and have Crown on it, so if players want to avoid the Crown Store they can do so without interacting with the Crown Store NPC.

Simples.

All The Best

SantieClaws

They did this in LOTRO - at first it seems like a good idea but actually it is just another way of not being able to avoid the crown store and its contents.

The store is there and we all know it is there. It should not get in the way of the game, or into the game, at all if possible.

Ads on the launcher - yes, on the forum - yes, twitter - yes, FB - yes, e-mails sent outside the game (which they do anyway to all players often).

Ads, promotions and stores in the game world itself - crosses a line in a very big way.

ArterionAU

I agree with most people, They should keep the Ads to the Launcher and other social media's. Spamming it in-game in different languages is just going to annoy people.

Gidorick

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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Personally I loved the idea of a couple of Senche Mounts sitting outside the Bank in all cities that could be interacted with about the special offer. Would have been a clever concept and shown off the product and been in line with the environment (look at the baby wamasu?) that wanders around at the Undaunted camp in Stormhaven).

There are myriad ways ZoS could increase advertising potential 1000% and still not be as intrusive as the "Yellow Message".

You are correct, each town could have a stable (oh wait, many do) with the different purchasable mounts in the stalls. Maybe a Stable-Master who will promote the mounts and sell them.
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No no no !

As much as I dislike the "yellow text", I appreciate the way all crown-shop related stuff is clearly separated from the game world itself. "Blending it" would be far more immersion ruining than anything else. We're in Tamriel. In Nirn. There's gold and alliance points there. Not crowns or euros. NPC don't know anything about the Crown Store or our cosmetic stuff and that is very good this way.

Well Alliance Points are already immersion breaking they are an abstract meta-currency that has no physical counterpart in the game-world.

Crown Store traders could be identified like all other traders with a pennant/flag and have Crown on it, so if players want to avoid the Crown Store they can do so without interacting with the Crown Store NPC.

Simples.

All The Best

Yes! I would LOVE to have Crown merchants, or better yet, have in game merchants that have a crown section. I want to buy the senche mount from the stable master, not some ethereal store that delivers the mount from on high.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

wenxue2222b16_ESO wrote: »

They did this in LOTRO - at first it seems like a good idea but actually it is just another way of not being able to avoid the crown store and its contents.

The store is there and we all know it is there. It should not get in the way of the game, or into the game, at all if possible.

Ads on the launcher - yes, on the forum - yes, twitter - yes, FB - yes, e-mails sent outside the game (which they do anyway to all players often).

Ads, promotions and stores in the game world itself - crosses a line in a very big way.

Actually I think that the way LOTRO handles the Store is the best I have seen.

I know where to go to look at cosmetic outfits if I want to, but more importantly I know where not to go if I want to avoid interacting with the Store.

I've fallen out of love with LOTRO over the last 6 months or so and rarely offer praise in that direction, but one area where LOTRO does deserve significant praise IMO is in how they have handled the Store.

Now, if they'd just get rid of the Hobbit Slot Machine and Big Battles I'd be happy to re-sub.

All The Best

Sylvyr

How about...

Every time you open a chest, collect a skyshard, close a dolmen, kill a boss, turn in a quest, you get a Tamriel Times - a flyer that you are forced to read that tells you of all the special deals.

Or what about like what anarchy online did. In game bill-boards.

Bouvin

leshpar wrote: »

I don't see the big deal. Every other MMO I have ever played is far more intrusive with their advertisements. This game does an amazing job.

Ultima Online wasn't.
Everquest wasn't.
Runescape wasn't.
Dark Ages of Camelot wasn't.

You get the idea...

Heck, even Neverwinter Online, which is F2P doesn't flash big letters across the screen to advertise. They open the store at login and use in-game mail. It doesn't distract from the gameplay.

ZoS is being MORE INTRUSIVE than a F2P franchise. That's sad. Really sad.....

newtinmpls

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Personally I loved the idea of a couple of Senche Mounts sitting outside the Bank in all cities that could be interacted with about the special offer. Would have been a clever concept and shown off the product and been in line with the environment (look at the baby wamasu?) that wanders around at the Undaunted camp in Stormhaven).

Oh. My. God.

That is such a cool idea. I would totally be a sucker for that. Add in "buy the possibly mistreated baby [whatever]" and you can pretty much guarantee I will be spending every crown I can manage to get my hot little hands on.