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I can't do it... I can't level anymore. Please remove the Veteran Ranks now instead of waiting.
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭freespirit wrote: »Hey.........
This is where short term memory issues come into their own.....
Two VR14's and a VR9, all DC.....
About to start my 4th........
Do I get to some quests and think 'oh no not again' yes but I also get to other quests and think ooooh good story and read everything all over again!
Some quests I don't remember at all!!
You can still do exactly that....
You just won't be forced to.0 -
freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭freespirit wrote: »Hey.........
This is where short term memory issues come into their own.....
Two VR14's and a VR9, all DC.....
About to start my 4th........
Do I get to some quests and think 'oh no not again' yes but I also get to other quests and think ooooh good story and read everything all over again!
Some quests I don't remember at all!!
You can still do exactly that....
You just won't be forced to.
No one is forcing me to do anything, I am playing the way I choose to....
However I have VR14 Guildmates who have never played a single VR area quest.......
That is their choice and works for them.....
Oh and before you poo, poo it, they leveled up doing PVP alone
After they hit 50.Edited by freespirit on April 4, 2015 2:41AMWhen people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!0 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭freespirit wrote: »freespirit wrote: »Hey.........
This is where short term memory issues come into their own.....
Two VR14's and a VR9, all DC.....
About to start my 4th........
Do I get to some quests and think 'oh no not again' yes but I also get to other quests and think ooooh good story and read everything all over again!
Some quests I don't remember at all!!
You can still do exactly that....
You just won't be forced to.
No one is forcing me to do anything, I am playing the way I choose to....
However I have VR14 Guildmates who have never played a single VR area quest.......
That is their choice and works for them.....
Oh and before you poo, poo it, they leveled up doing PVP alone
After they hit 50.
Yeah, I do the same now. But it takes forever to lvl in PvP. Everyone knows that.
Just because the playstyle that we're forced to do to actually level at a decent rate is the playstyle that fits you, doesn't mean it's for everyone.
By removing the veteran ranks, NOBODY is forced to do anything. You hit 50, now you can go do gold and silver if you want, you can be competitive in Cyrodiil if you want, you can go raid for cool gear in trials if you want. THOSE are options. How is that so hard to understand?
We lose nothing from gettin rid of Veteran Ranks (which they are), and gain a lot of options.
How can anyone say no to that?Edited by bg22 on April 4, 2015 2:45AM2 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭freespirit wrote: »freespirit wrote: »Hey.........
This is where short term memory issues come into their own.....
Two VR14's and a VR9, all DC.....
About to start my 4th........
Do I get to some quests and think 'oh no not again' yes but I also get to other quests and think ooooh good story and read everything all over again!
Some quests I don't remember at all!!
You can still do exactly that....
You just won't be forced to.
No one is forcing me to do anything, I am playing the way I choose to....
However I have VR14 Guildmates who have never played a single VR area quest.......
That is their choice and works for them.....
Oh and before you poo, poo it, they leveled up doing PVP alone
After they hit 50.
Why would you think that I'd "poo poo" people playing the game the way that they choose to?
The entire point of removing VRs is to allow MORE people to do exactly that. : )3 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
Edited by hamon on April 4, 2015 2:54AM1 -
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✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »If you complete the content in each zone you will be max level with no difficulty at all.
After 1.6 during my spring break I completed silver and gold clearing the entire zone before I moved on to the next, I started at VR2 and I ended gold at VR10 (10.7)
That means I have another 4 levels to "grind out"...
which you,ll find it is very very slow without quests to turn in.... but hey if you do the same dozen quests in cheydenhall and bruma every day for the next 3 weeks that should do it.......
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Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VR 1-14 is a complete and utter breeze now. It is not hard or tedious it's just something that the instant gratification generation is too lazy to put the effort in to do it. Man up and do it or don't complain that you're character is weaker. If it's that unappealing for people then it's obvious they picked the wrong game.
if everything was not gated for VR14 it would be different.
as it is now one is forced to do the ridiculous grind just to be of use in endgame content.
I should not have to spend 3 months grinding just to be of minimal use in PvP. If there were separate instances for each set of ranks(one PvP campaign for VR1-Vr5, etc) maybe PvP wise it would be different.(PvE idk:/)
locking all the endgame behind a 3 months grind is not the solution to making this game require effort.Edited by Cody on April 4, 2015 3:09AM1 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Uh, lots of people have full time jobs and families and have multiple VR14 characters. I agree that I don't like helping the other factions, but the complaint of it taking too much time is obviously bogus if you look at all the people that are there multiple times over already.
those people just did the craglorn grinds back when one could get to Vr14 with them in literally 2-3 days.
now those grinds are gone.0 -
Cody✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I literally cannot stand to level to max again. I'm VR3 (gained V1-V3 doing solo PvP in Cyrodiil) and I cannot PvE for more than 30 seconds without losing complete interest so much so that I either re-enter Cyrodiil, or exit the game.
I know they plan to remove the Veteran Ranks in June, but why wait..? Just do it. I cannot push myself to go through another 100 levels worth of content for a second time...
No video-game should be painful in any aspect, and V1-V14 is just that, painful.
It does NOTHING good for the game. It creates GIGANTIC gaps between players, nothing more, nothing less. That is simply it. A gap creating element.
People who are really only interested in PvP become frustrated because they are nearly worhtless until around V10, and simply feel turned off to the game because they have to PvE.
Players who want to complete in the PvE that really matters (once you've loyally defended your alliance), only want to get sweet gear from dungeon runs (trials, etc.) and compete for top times, raid with friends, etc..
But they're forced to become a traitor and defend the other alliances (which many of us dispise).
ZoS... Please just remove them now. It does NOTHING to help your game. In fact, it really, really just hurts it.
No one is forcing you to level, if you don't like it. stop. there are plenty of other things to do.
i cannot believe what I just read.....4 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭VR 1-14 is a complete and utter breeze now. It is not hard or tedious it's just something that the instant gratification generation is too lazy to put the effort in to do it. Man up and do it or don't complain that you're character is weaker. If it's that unappealing for people then it's obvious they picked the wrong game.
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
That is absolutely no different than VR14 being the cap, only w/out the ridiculous grind that must be repeated for every single character that you play.
The idea is that the Champion System and Season Gear will replace the artificial progression provided by the current VR system.2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
That is absolutely no different than VR14 being the cap, only w/out the ridiculous grind that must be repeated for every single character that you play.
The idea is that the Champion System and Season Gear will replace the artificial progression provided by the current VR system.
again you are 100 percent correct it's really not the max level that matters that's how long it takes to get there. instead of that ranks they should just make each level take a half a million experience between level 1 and level 50That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm on my third character and I'm getting a bit sick of it myself but if they remove the vet levels how will people earn CP at a reasonable rate? Especially for those who don't PvP it would be a disaster with the current structure of the CS. Not to mention all the issues with compacting gear and levels. Sorry but I don't think this is going to happen without it absolutely ruining the game.0 -
Mettaricana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭VR 1-14 is a complete and utter breeze now. It is not hard or tedious it's just something that the instant gratification generation is too lazy to put the effort in to do it. Man up and do it or don't complain that you're character is weaker. If it's that unappealing for people then it's obvious they picked the wrong game.
obviously your a troll with too much time on your hand to sit around and vet grind.0 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.
I was 100k shy of VR2 when I finally faced Molag no Balls in coldharnour. Right now my tion is about 15k shy or VR5 and I am almost through the third AD area which is my silver zone. At this rate I will be VR12 or so by the time AI finish gold. Again I will have made VR14 well before finishing Craglorn.
People who are coming up short on levels are skipping content or doing everything in groups causing diminishing XP based on the numbers of players in the group. The beauty ofbthe game as it stands it has been nerfwd to the point everything can be soloed with the exception of big dungeons like spindleclutch or crypt of hearts.
If you want a sure fire way to overlevel your vet zones you could always through the exploration trait on all your gear.
Edited by Iago on April 4, 2015 5:06PMThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭double postEdited by Iago on April 4, 2015 5:05PMThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm on my third character and I'm getting a bit sick of it myself but if they remove the vet levels how will people earn CP at a reasonable rate? Especially for those who don't PvP it would be a disaster with the current structure of the CS. Not to mention all the issues with compacting gear and levels. Sorry but I don't think this is going to happen without it absolutely ruining the game.
Yeah, I guess it's just to just go halfway through a plan and just stop because some posters think it might not be easy.
That totally stopped them when implementing CS, converting the entire game to B2P, redoing all of the sets in the entire game, continually working on bugs and issues, rebalancing stam / magicka, etc.
The simple fact is that removing VRs is the plan, and we have already implemented the first 3 phases of this plan. Removing VRs and implementing Season gear is the last step.
Why stop now?
Think of all the GOOD that will come of it, instead of being scared of change. After all, if nothing happens, then nothing happens, and pretty much anyone can tell you that interest in this game spiked when it lost the sub but is waning pretty again pretty quickly now.
You'd be quite naive to think that the prohibitively tedious VR grind that must be done on every single character that you make has nothing to do w/ that.2 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭I'm still not interested in doing the Vgrind. V1 is my end game til things get better or even if they don't.1 -
I'm nearly crying, reached vt after 50 epic level, and I'm now doing quest in the wrong side. Killing wolves somewhere I don"t want to be after became the hero of my faction. I'm helping a king I would rather kill... This is stupid.
But I do it. I do every quest, I read everything, but it's really broken. Did approximativly 40% of content of the second zone, the vr2 one, and I'm already vr4.., I'm forced to chain kill vr2 mob, winning nearly 0 xp.
And pvp. What a vet4 can do against bus of vet14? Were they drunk when they made pvp system?
1 prevet campaign. And all other, just farm place for vet14...
This is not the place, but the pvp globaly is really poorly thought... It's basically slow, not dynamic at all and it's definitivly the largest empty place ever done.
And gear.. really...
Vet 1 helm: 650 def - 68 mana regen
Vet 4 helm: 652 def - 71 mana regen.
I'm really excited.
As OP, I just can't. It has been difficult to reach vt4, and I'll probably never reach vt14.
Sorry for my bad english.
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Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭Videonauth wrote: »Videonauth wrote: »deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »What would happen? VR14 would become lvl 64? Getting rid of VR14 would really poss a lot of people off. All the gear and power reduced to what? Idk man, I really don't think ZoS could do it without screwing it up.
If they reduce the VR 14 content to level 50 content then nothing is lost. You lose 20% of your stats and so do the mobs. So what?
and you loose around 100-130 skillpoints ... so what ?
Well to me that matter still alot
You'd lose 14 skill points, 1 for each VR. And that's IF they even go that route.
How on earth did you come up w/ 100-130? Are you thinking that you can't do VR content if they remove VR levels, because that is NOT the case.
All of that content is still there, you just don't have to grind endlessly BEFORE you can do it.
48 for all quests in all zone = 32 lost if they take out the posibility of silver and gold
113 from skyshards = est half of em lost when above happens
13 from the vet ranks
those 100-130 was only a guess before now i looked it up.
i was at 155 at level 50 now at vr 14 im at 277.
Yeah, that's not how it works. I'm not even sure why people think this.
It's really hard to talk about the merits of a system w/ people who don't actually seem to know anything about it... : /
But anyway, none of that stuff you mentioned is being removed. Just the VR levels, not the content.
You would just do that content at lv50 instead and gain CP as you did them instead of VRs. You'll still have access to all of the quests, skyshards, etc.
You just MIGHT lose the 13 from VR levels.
Did zos tell you this is how it's going to be?
Yes, actually.ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.
We are hard at work on it and I’m here to answer a few of your questions. Most of these questions were also asked during our Guild Round Table in the last two days.
How will the current system change when the Champion System gets introduced?
The Champion System will introduce new past lvl 50 progression for your account where previously there was only an increase in Veteran Ranks and Attributes. The Champion System allows you spend points in the constellations to earn powerful passives such as giving your bash a chance to snare targets, reduce the amount of damage you take from flames or leech health on critical strikes.
What happens to the Veteran Ranks we currently have VR1-12?
We want to remove the Veteran Ranks from the game and rely on the more active progression provided by the Champion System. However, when we release the Champion System we will continue to maintain Veteran Ranks. We have several options as to how we will remove Veteran Ranks but all of them require time and careful planning. In the meantime, we are making Veteran Ranks earned by XP and reducing the overall time it takes to get a Veteran Rank. We are also rewarding an Attribute Point and a Skill Point each time you reach a Veteran Rank.
What happens to the Skill Points from VR1-12? Are they carried over to the CS instead?
The Skill Points we reward will not be removed from you! You will continue to have the same amount of Skill Points you do now. The Champion System does not reward any Skill Points, only gaining Veteran Ranks does. When we take out Veteran Ranks we will make sure that anyone that didn't make it max Veteran Rank will still rewarded with those Skill Points.
Does everyone that is a Veteran Rank get lowered back to lvl50? Or are the Ranks staying, but only being changed to lvl 51, 52, etc instead?
Similar to an answer before, we just don’t know yet.
Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.
Point out the part where they say that they are planning to remove VR CONTENT.
They are planning to remove only the ranks themselves, but still haven't said exactly how they plan to do this.
People just really need to stop talking about the removal of content, because that is not happening.
Thanks for posting that, it's been so long since I've seen that I wasn't sure exactly what it said. It does say they plan on removing them but that they haven't figured out how they want to go about it exactly. And who is to say they don't change it up a bit from when she posted that? I will play the game either way but I personally don't want the leveling to cap shortened. Nothing like working at a goal for months and paying to do it only to see it handed to someone who hasn't had to pay a sub get it in a week.Edited by Xjcon on April 4, 2015 5:50PMBriza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
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bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭mb-pepeb16_ESO wrote: »I'm nearly crying, reached vt after 50 epic level, and I'm now doing quest in the wrong side. Killing wolves somewhere I don"t want to be after became the hero of my faction. I'm helping a king I would rather kill... This is stupid.
But I do it. I do every quest, I read everything, but it's really broken. Did approximativly 40% of content of the second zone, the vr2 one, and I'm already vr4.., I'm forced to chain kill vr2 mob, winning nearly 0 xp.
And pvp. What a vet4 can do against bus of vet14? Were they drunk when they made pvp system?
1 prevet campaign. And all other, just farm place for vet14...
This is not the place, but the pvp globaly is really poorly thought... It's basically slow, not dynamic at all and it's definitivly the largest empty place ever done.
And gear.. really...
Vet 1 helm: 650 def - 68 mana regen
Vet 4 helm: 652 def - 71 mana regen.
I'm really excited.
As OP, I just can't. It has been difficult to reach vt4, and I'll probably never reach vt14.
Sorry for my bad english.
Exactly... And they end up losing players over this.
Lots of new players do this and think exactly as you do (and I do) and end up quitting because it's simply that stupid.
That's why they need to go ASAP.2 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭mb-pepeb16_ESO wrote: »I'm nearly crying, reached vt after 50 epic level, and I'm now doing quest in the wrong side. Killing wolves somewhere I don"t want to be after became the hero of my faction. I'm helping a king I would rather kill... This is stupid.
But I do it. I do every quest, I read everything, but it's really broken. Did approximativly 40% of content of the second zone, the vr2 one, and I'm already vr4.., I'm forced to chain kill vr2 mob, winning nearly 0 xp.
And pvp. What a vet4 can do against bus of vet14? Were they drunk when they made pvp system?
1 prevet campaign. And all other, just farm place for vet14...
This is not the place, but the pvp globaly is really poorly thought... It's basically slow, not dynamic at all and it's definitivly the largest empty place ever done.
And gear.. really...
Vet 1 helm: 650 def - 68 mana regen
Vet 4 helm: 652 def - 71 mana regen.
I'm really excited.
As OP, I just can't. It has been difficult to reach vt4, and I'll probably never reach vt14.
Sorry for my bad english.
Exactly... And they end up losing players over this.
Lots of new players do this and think exactly as you do (and I do) and end up quitting because it's simply that stupid.
That's why they need to go ASAP.
Completely agreed. It's a fact that players are once again leaving the game (just look at the numbers on Steam for a snapshot of the larger picture), and the still-ridiculous VR system is often cited as one of their reasons.
What is the point of pumping out more content to a game that people think is tedious? It's very clear that the number of players who are okay w/ the VR system isn't enough to sustain the game, so I don't much care that some people enjoy it while the majority do not.
You can say "Well, go play something else" all you want, but when they do, you'll be forced to play something else too when they shut down the servers.
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What they've to do is create an interest of being on a specific level. It's okay for me to take 2 month to reach vt14 doing quest and stuff, but only if I've something to do during these 2 month...
During these 4 level of veteran, I had litteraly acces to nothing more than when I was leveling to level 50. The difference is that it was at least exciting to level to 50, taking 0,8% of level completing a quest is thankless and painfull.
I'm sorry, but the only thing I can think about is sort of arena where you could fight players of other realms, of your level. And not a broken system "Hey, it would be fun if everyone from level 10 to vr14 was fighting on same place!".. Which really doesn"t work. at all.0 -
Drazhar14✭✭✭✭✭Leveling is always a balance between keeping players playing the game yet not pissing them off or burning them out in the process. The 1-50 leveling experience is great. The (seemingly) endless Champion System is good (although I still feel the passives are too powerful). The Veteran Rank grind... is horrible. I can't wait until they get that removed.
All gear should be unlocked at 50, but to obtain the best gear you will still need to collect items from high level zones or do vet dungeons/trials.3 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VR 1-14 is a complete and utter breeze now. It is not hard or tedious it's just something that the instant gratification generation is too lazy to put the effort in to do it. Man up and do it or don't complain that you're character is weaker. If it's that unappealing for people then it's obvious they picked the wrong game.
VR 1-14 was a complete and utter breeze... the first time I did it. The Cadwell's Silver and Gold content was NEW to me, so it was fun getting to VR10 that way. VR11-14 was ALSO fun, because back in those days you could join these roving zergs of XP farmers in Craglorn, rapidly grinding your way from one boss to another. The old Craglorn grind was great, because you could painlessly knock off a VR level every evening with just an hour or two of grinding.
Fast forward to TODAY: Cadwell's Silver and Gold suck when you're leveling alts from VR1-10 because they're SO boring the 2nd time around... or 3rd or 4th. This situation is exacerbated by the fact that many players (like me) aren't leveling alts because they want to, but because they HAVE to, either to grind CP or to replace a Sorcerer that got nerfed to death by 1.6. The situation in Craglorn for leveling VR11-14 is EVEN WORSE. The old XP grind was nerfed ages ago, and any time a new grind appears, e.g. AA trash mobs last week, ZoS not only nerfs it, but calls you a ****ing cheater for doing it!
That's bull****!!! So please, don't condescend to the grinders or trivialize our complaints, because the pain is REAL!#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can we get any official word on the estimated time of VR removal ZoS?
Because, I'm really annoyed by it more and more every single day. And it'll eventually annoy me (and thousands of other players) enough to quit for good... Sadly. (And I don't want that... Because I enjoy this game thoroughly, and want to continue to play it).0 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm on my third character and I'm getting a bit sick of it myself but if they remove the vet levels how will people earn CP at a reasonable rate? Especially for those who don't PvP it would be a disaster with the current structure of the CS. Not to mention all the issues with compacting gear and levels. Sorry but I don't think this is going to happen without it absolutely ruining the game.
You'll still be able to do silver and gold, it'll just not be almost mandatory to do them (unless you like actually grinding as in running in a circle killing trash mobs for hours on end)0