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I can't do it... I can't level anymore. Please remove the Veteran Ranks now instead of waiting.
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Loves_guars✭✭✭✭✭
✭I can't even finish my first v14. I log in, do a few quests then see my xp bar advance only 0.01 mm and I realize how pointless it is. I log out.
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Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭I am managing to login for a little bit at a time again now. It's still tedious. Somehow I do not think removing Vet ranks is the answer. We desparately need new content to explore.1 -
Daenerys✭✭✭✭I feel the same way @Ysne58. I love this game, and was excited to come back, but after spending my CP I realized there wasn't anything new to do besides steal. Since my main is an upstanding citizen, I became a thief on an alt- and that was fun for awhile. But now, I can't face leveling my alts when I know VR lvls will be gone soonish, and the grind is soooo long. I want to play my main, but there's nothing new for her to do. I mean, where is the Imperial City? We saw those videos forever ago, and it just feels like they're waiting for consoles to offer anything new. Harrumph!0 -
Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭We do not know how they are going to handle vet levels @Daenerys . I'm betting that they change their minds and just leave them. Enough people are asking for them to be left alone. It's a lot of work to do. I fail to see how they can do it without messing it up even more than it is.
I'd rather see that new content come out if I were to have to choose between removal of vet levels and new content.3 -
Sidney✭✭✭✭I am V4. I'd be pretty sad and upset if they removed Vet ranks. If the main complaint is because of alts, maybe it would be better to implement a system with x% more XP for vet levels. Have it be a super high amount. Maybe with a toggle for us to turn it off back to normal XP gain for those of us who just love to level or grind.>.<_____/
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Anoteros✭✭✭✭I am managing to login for a little bit at a time again now. It's still tedious. Somehow I do not think removing Vet ranks is the answer. We desparately need new content to explore.
They need to either increase the level cap and keep trials and all that *** to max level or make the cap level 50 and compensate those who dredges through V ranks with CP.
Not that hard really.0 -
Daenerys✭✭✭✭Sorry, I was just going by what everyone's quoting from what ZOS has said. I do admit to being absent, so I totally could have misinterpreted or whatever, but I thought we already knew VR was being phased out. My bad. I really don't care about VR anyway, I was trying to agree w/you @Ysne58 that we need new content lol
I don't want to do all 3 alliances again. I never wanted to do it, I think it destroys any sense of faction loyalty, and makes alts almost pointless (except for crafters) and feedbacked the heck outta that when we were on PTS. And that's my issue w/alts @Sidney - the lack of new content forces the VR grind, the %xp is irrelevant to me, I just want something new to do.2 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I am managing to login for a little bit at a time again now. It's still tedious. Somehow I do not think removing Vet ranks is the answer. We desparately need new content to explore.
They need to either increase the level cap and keep trials and all that *** to max level or make the cap level 50 and compensate those who dredges through V ranks with CP.
Not that hard really.
They already did that. We got our 70 CP with 1.6.
Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
coplannb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Playing since beta, only have 2 chars at VR5, 1 at 48, 1 at 32 and a few more alts and mules (spread across factions). Iam not PvPing because I dont want to be at such a disadvantage (gear/stat wise), leveling is slow and although I like the quests doing the same quests/zones over and over (in normal, silver or/and gold on multiple chars) is really tiresome. Never been to Craglorn...
On the other side, especially if you craft and use more than 1 or 2 weapon sets the skill points up to VR1 are not enough imho.
So Iam not sure how they can do it, but no matter what the new max level would be you should be able to get all skill points...
Iam uncertain. I think if Cadwells Silver and Gold would be account wide unlocks (e.g. Archievements and skill points) that would be awesome for the people interested in endgame (AvA or Craglorn...), however for getting XP/CP of course doing those VR quests over and over is not too bad either...
I really dont know. Id however rather do AvA with all my toons on an even ground and do some PvE in between. Current system does not allow that...max level: mDK, stamBlade, stamSorc, magPlar, mDen, stamDen, magBlade, stamCro
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# of mules: 4 (FULL)
maxed bank: FULL -_-
Stop the grind! Get rid of stupid events and daily-quest gallore. Get rid of "have a chance of 1 in a million to get a piece of 1 in 30 to get a stupid motif or pet... wtf..."
And at this point just remove all classes and have everyone choose their set of skills. then balance accordingly to skills always used vs. skills never used.0 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.
Isn't the last zone from caldwells gold a V10 zone?
After V10 you can do Vet dungeons, trials and pvp. That's about it, there is no other content,
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AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.
Isn't the last zone from caldwells gold a V10 zone?
After V10 you can do Vet dungeons, trials and pvp. That's about it, there is no other content,
Craglorn0 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭Aldcompared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.
Isn't the last zone from caldwells gold a V10 zone?
After V10 you can do Vet dungeons, trials and pvp. That's about it, there is no other content,
Craglorn
Which is not enough, saying there needs to be more content past V10 to level to V14
I agree
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am V4. I'd be pretty sad and upset if they removed Vet ranks. If the main complaint is because of alts, maybe it would be better to implement a system with x% more XP for vet levels. Have it be a super high amount. Maybe with a toggle for us to turn it off back to normal XP gain for those of us who just love to level or grind.
The main complaint isn't alts, though that is a factor for some of us.
The main complaint is the fact that it serves to separate the player base from each other w/out a good reason. That is the reason stated by ZOS as the driving force behind the changes currently being implemented.0 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭I am managing to login for a little bit at a time again now. It's still tedious. Somehow I do not think removing Vet ranks is the answer. We desparately need new content to explore.
They need to either increase the level cap and keep trials and all that *** to max level or make the cap level 50 and compensate those who dredges through V ranks with CP.
Not that hard really.
They already did that. We got our 70 CP with 1.6.
That was not compensation for anything other than the fact that the higher VR you get, the less opportunity there is for gaining CP. It had zero to do with what they plan to do to remove or change VR.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
Taladriel Vanima - VR 5 Altmer Nightblade
Ambalyo iyo Bogaadin - VR 1 Redguard Sorceror0 -
Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭@Daenerys Thanks for clarifying.
I don't mind the questing, but tying it to vet experience and completely gutting the exp you get is what has destroyed this for me. Those vet levels have always involved grinding, whether it's Cadwells or dungeons, or pvp or whatever. The fact that it's been turned into a grind with no new options to discover makes me really miserable.0 -
AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Aldcompared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.
Isn't the last zone from caldwells gold a V10 zone?
After V10 you can do Vet dungeons, trials and pvp. That's about it, there is no other content,
Craglorn
Which is not enough, saying there needs to be more content past V10 to level to V14
I agree
I don't know. I pretty much went from V7 to V14 in Craglorn on my main (she still needs to wrap up the last zone in Silver, though she finished the main quest and has access to the whole map.)
I just really got into the questline and started dragging friends through it repeatedly. :-)
Currently doing that with alts 2 and 3 alternating it with questing and pledges.The Moot Councillor0 -
Arato✭✭✭✭✭
✭compared insane amount of XP you needed to gain veteran ranks before the 1 million experience points you need now are nothing.
thats just being silly. its all about how you can get the xp required not about how much numerically that is
sure vet lvls are 1mill.. when i went from vet 10-12 on my first toon. i did it in 2 hours the first day craglorn came out before they fixed Kardala about 3 days later.. that was about 11 million in 2 hours.
now to get the same vet 10-12 would take me about 20 hours i guess. even tho its only 2 million xp
so should i come on here are and tell folk "hey its all good its only 2 million xp now" ?
You are 100% correct in the fact that it does take longer to earn the XP however now if you do all of silver and gold you will be VR14 long before finishing craglorb.
Honestly I don't see why everyohas such.a hard on for horizintal progression. When 50 becomes level cap that just means no more actual progress It will feel like inward is accomplishing nothing at all.
No you won't. People are finishing Gold at VR10 or 11, and there's not enough quests in Craglorn to get 3 ranks unless you're dutifully doing repeats every day.
Isn't the last zone from caldwells gold a V10 zone?
After V10 you can do Vet dungeons, trials and pvp. That's about it, there is no other content,
and you need to be VR14 to do trials, and many vet dungeon groups won't take you unless you're bare minimum VR12 and that's if you're DPS or healer, if you're a tank? better be VR14 and know every vet dungeon like the back of your hand because tanks are supposed to lead
So there's a 4 rank gap between the end of solo quest content, and end game group content.
Your options are grind mobs, or grind PVP0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah the players who think being lvl50 will automatically make you ready to go trials are going to be sorely disappointed. Lvl 50 is like day one in this game even if they remove vet ranks. You'll just be grinding for CPs instead of VR to be capable of entering trials. That means grinding in the vet dungeons until you have the experience and CPs to approach trials. Nothing different than it is now, just a different name and appearance.
If you want VR gone it's replacement will be just as long to get you to trials if not longer. It's a business, they're not going to go and reduce the amount of time it takes to complete the game will they? just think about it.
If your complaining now about the length of time it takes you need to find a way to enjoy it or maybe this game isn't for you. The only players removing vet ranks helps are the ones who already have a lot of CPs. Those who aren't vet and have very little CP will still have the long road ahead.Edited by Cuyler on April 9, 2015 7:48PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not?
Trial leaderboards are based on TIMES, which are improved through character progression like CP and gear. So yes, why bar a fresh 50 from joining Trials, it's not as though they are going to be a real threat to those on the leaderboards.
However, even running Trials at a slower pace, they gain necessary experience (both the points and ACTUAL experience learning the fights) and a chance at improving their gear, thus improving their times.
That is progression.0 -
Cuyler✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea that sounds great and is what most players are expecting with VR removal. I wouldn't hold your breath.Why not?
Trial leaderboards are based on TIMES, which are improved through character progression like CP and gear. So yes, why bar a fresh 50 from joining Trials, it's not as though they are going to be a real threat to those on the leaderboards.
However, even running Trials at a slower pace, they gain necessary experience (both the points and ACTUAL experience learning the fights) and a chance at improving their gear, thus improving their times.
That is progression.
ZOS stated that the Silver and Gold zones would remain 50+ and 50++ zones, craglorn and trials would be considered 50+++ zone/instances. So you think a fresh lvl 50 will get meaningful experience from entering a 50+++ zone right out of the gate?
Maybe experience in wiping a lot.
Fresh lvl50 will need to grind CPs to compete at that level, it's just a logical argument. At this point I don't think they're going to bother going through with the removal.
Edit: I'm not even talking about scratching the surface of a timed trial. Fresh lvl 50s more than likely won't be able to even get a completion. Unless you're referring to one or possibly two fresh 50s in the raid, in which case would be a carry and you wouldn't be getting out of me on a frequent basis.Edited by Cuyler on April 9, 2015 8:55PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah the players who think being lvl50 will automatically make you ready to go trials are going to be sorely disappointed. Lvl 50 is like day one in this game even if they remove vet ranks. You'll just be grinding for CPs instead of VR to be capable of entering trials. That means grinding in the vet dungeons until you have the experience and CPs to approach trials. Nothing different than it is now, just a different name and appearance.
If you want VR gone it's replacement will be just as long to get you to trials if not longer. It's a business, they're not going to go and reduce the amount of time it takes to complete the game will they? just think about it.
If your complaining now about the length of time it takes you need to find a way to enjoy it or maybe this game isn't for you. The only players removing vet ranks helps are the ones who already have a lot of CPs. Those who aren't vet and have very little CP will still have the long road ahead.
Exactly. That's what I have been trying to explain to these people. They don't get it and will be sorely disappointed in the next grind for CP (or the new "regular" levels that go to 60 or 64).0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea that sounds great and is what most players are expecting with VR removal. I wouldn't hold your breath.Why not?
Trial leaderboards are based on TIMES, which are improved through character progression like CP and gear. So yes, why bar a fresh 50 from joining Trials, it's not as though they are going to be a real threat to those on the leaderboards.
However, even running Trials at a slower pace, they gain necessary experience (both the points and ACTUAL experience learning the fights) and a chance at improving their gear, thus improving their times.
That is progression.
ZOS stated that the Silver and Gold zones would remain 50+ and 50++ zones, craglorn and trials would be considered 50+++ zone/instances. So you think a fresh lvl 50 will get meaningful experience from entering a 50+++ zone right out of the gate?
Maybe experience in wiping a lot.
ZOS also stated that they have a lot of different options on how they want to handle the removal of VR ranks, and to my knowledge haven't said anything about settling on a specific one.
So speculating about how the 50+ and 50++ zones might work w/out having a clue what the framework is going to be seems a bit... silly?0 -
Valok✭✭I would also like to add my voice to the group.
Leveled up a NB at release up to VR10 but due to the state of the game at that time I canceled the subscription and never looked back.
Came back to the game recently and got my lovely tank to VR1. Entered the new VR zone, did 2 quests and started heading to the next NPC with a quest mark - then I stopped and just stayed there looking at him for a few seconds.
I'm sorry. I just can't do it all again. Not the way it is right now at least.
For the love of Talos, change/tweak this system.
Right now I'll just keep doing dungeons in the hopes of getting some % there.5 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
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Yea that sounds great and is what most players are expecting with VR removal. I wouldn't hold your breath.Why not?
Trial leaderboards are based on TIMES, which are improved through character progression like CP and gear. So yes, why bar a fresh 50 from joining Trials, it's not as though they are going to be a real threat to those on the leaderboards.
However, even running Trials at a slower pace, they gain necessary experience (both the points and ACTUAL experience learning the fights) and a chance at improving their gear, thus improving their times.
That is progression.
ZOS stated that the Silver and Gold zones would remain 50+ and 50++ zones, craglorn and trials would be considered 50+++ zone/instances. So you think a fresh lvl 50 will get meaningful experience from entering a 50+++ zone right out of the gate?
Maybe experience in wiping a lot.
ZOS also stated that they have a lot of different options on how they want to handle the removal of VR ranks, and to my knowledge haven't said anything about settling on a specific one.
So speculating about how the 50+ and 50++ zones might work w/out having a clue what the framework is going to be seems a bit... silly?
Not silly for anyone using logic. There are zero reasons for them to do what you expect. If we take your logic to the full extent we should just all stay level 1 so there is no player separation at all. Then you could do "end game" content at level 1 and by-pass all the content that ZOS spent millions of dollars developing and be "done" with the game in a matter of days or weeks without having consumed 98% of the game.
Sorry but it's not going to happen. The game is based on progression and will stay that way. They may make some minor tweaks and adjustments but one thing they won't do is remove 75% of the current progression so some people can get to "end game" quicker. There is barely even any "end game" (unless you PvP) so no point in rushing to get there anyway.Edited by EQBallzz on April 9, 2015 10:18PM1 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are plenty of reasons, many of which have been stated right here in this thread and the many others. Not the least of which is the fact that they HAVE been doing exactly that for 6 months now.
There can still be progression w/out the VR system.
What a ridiculous strawman argument.Edited by Varicite on April 9, 2015 10:21PM0 -
I was hoping it would be removed before I cap out levels on my new chars with friends, so we can just go pvp for an hour a day and log off and do something else lol.
VR'S should be optional and only unlock cosmetic things/ have no real net benefit.0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are plenty of reasons, many of which have been stated right here in this thread and the many others. Not the least of which is the fact that they HAVE been doing exactly that for 6 months now.
There can still be progression w/out the VR system.
What a ridiculous strawman argument.
It's not a strawman. I don't think you know what that means. I'm not even saying they won't remove vet levels. If they remove vet levels but add levels 51-60+..they have technically removed vet levels but it's all just semantics. I'm saying that the time you would spend to progress through vet levels will be spent on some new activity (either a raised cap to take you to 60+ or gated content behind champ points) that will still require you to "progress" in the system. Either way..you won't be able to avoid the time sink that is represented by the vet levels.1
