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I can't do it... I can't level anymore. Please remove the Veteran Ranks now instead of waiting.
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Aneima✭✭✭I literally cannot stand to level to max again. I'm VR3 (gained V1-V3 doing solo PvP in Cyrodiil) and I cannot PvE for more than 30 seconds without losing complete interest so much so that I either re-enter Cyrodiil, or exit the game.
I know they plan to remove the Veteran Ranks in June, but why wait..? Just do it. I cannot push myself to go through another 100 levels worth of content for a second time...
No video-game should be painful in any aspect, and V1-V14 is just that, painful.
It does NOTHING good for the game. It creates GIGANTIC gaps between players, nothing more, nothing less. That is simply it. A gap creating element.
People who are really only interested in PvP become frustrated because they are nearly worhtless until around V10, and simply feel turned off to the game because they have to PvE.
Players who want to complete in the PvE that really matters (once you've loyally defended your alliance), only want to get sweet gear from dungeon runs (trials, etc.) and compete for top times, raid with friends, etc..
But they're forced to become a traitor and defend the other alliances (which many of us dispise).
ZoS... Please just remove them now. It does NOTHING to help your game. In fact, it really, really just hurts it.
Just out of curiosity...do you have any characters that are Vr 14 or is your NB vr12 is the highest one you have?
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bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭I literally cannot stand to level to max again. I'm VR3 (gained V1-V3 doing solo PvP in Cyrodiil) and I cannot PvE for more than 30 seconds without losing complete interest so much so that I either re-enter Cyrodiil, or exit the game.
I know they plan to remove the Veteran Ranks in June, but why wait..? Just do it. I cannot push myself to go through another 100 levels worth of content for a second time...
No video-game should be painful in any aspect, and V1-V14 is just that, painful.
It does NOTHING good for the game. It creates GIGANTIC gaps between players, nothing more, nothing less. That is simply it. A gap creating element.
People who are really only interested in PvP become frustrated because they are nearly worhtless until around V10, and simply feel turned off to the game because they have to PvE.
Players who want to complete in the PvE that really matters (once you've loyally defended your alliance), only want to get sweet gear from dungeon runs (trials, etc.) and compete for top times, raid with friends, etc..
But they're forced to become a traitor and defend the other alliances (which many of us dispise).
ZoS... Please just remove them now. It does NOTHING to help your game. In fact, it really, really just hurts it.
Just out of curiosity...do you have any characters that are Vr 14 or is your NB vr12 is the highest one you have?
My NB is vr 12, but I have done Silver/Gold.
And no. I had full intentions of running my templar through silver and gold... But I can't. Hence this thread.
Even still, this post just isn't about me... Of course I cannot stand it, but I've managed to stick around (minus the few months I took off). It is about the amount of friends and guild-mates that I've had leave the game, and the thousands of other players that have left for this same reason. Hell, just look through the posts on this thread; there are countless people who are still involved in the forums, but have quit for this very reason. Clearly, they enjoy the game... But this is defeating it for them.
I just want it fixed so I (and a lot of other people) can notify their friends and hopefully have them return.2 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...3 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...
That seems credible.
But I'll wait for official word for my disappointment.0 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...
What do you think they implemented the champion system for?
Guess that the officially recognized step 1 of VR removal isn't a clue.0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...
What do you think they implemented the champion system for?
Guess that the officially recognized step 1 of VR removal isn't a clue.
This was actually the officially recognized step 3. VR removal is step 4. : P1 -
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...
What do you think they implemented the champion system for?
Guess that the officially recognized step 1 of VR removal isn't a clue.
Not really as they still say they don't have an idea of how they're going to do it because of other considerations.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
Taladriel Vanima - VR 5 Altmer Nightblade
Ambalyo iyo Bogaadin - VR 1 Redguard Sorceror1 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...
What do you think they implemented the champion system for?
Guess that the officially recognized step 1 of VR removal isn't a clue.
Not really as they still say they don't have an idea of how they're going to do it because of other considerations.
Well, that's what they said 6 months ago.
They haven't said ANYTHING beyond that, and it's fully possible that they have a better idea of how they wish to proceed by now.
It's also possible that they haven't announced anything to the player base because almost no matter HOW they go about doing it, they are still going to take flak for following through.
Most likely a lot less than NOT following through AGAIN, though.0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
How cute, you think those are the only options because your "brain" said so.
I haven't seen you or anyone else provide another option. Feel free to do so.0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
How cute, you think those are the only options because your "brain" said so.
I haven't seen you or anyone else provide another option. Feel free to do so.
I actually have, you just don't agree w/ it. There's quite a difference.
I don't feel like posting it again, as I've already done so numerous times in this thread alone. You could always go back and read it, though.
/shrug
Edited by Varicite on April 8, 2015 8:42PM0 -
bg22✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
You should take your own advice.
They can, in fact make anything disappear into thin air. This is a video game. It does or doesn't exist exactly how they want it to exist. If they wanted us to all run around as furry pink little elephants, we would run around as fury pink little elephants.
They're smart enough to realize that changing the name of something doesn't remove it. But... Most people here are not smart enough to realize it.Edited by bg22 on April 8, 2015 8:53PM0 -
EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
How cute, you think those are the only options because your "brain" said so.
I haven't seen you or anyone else provide another option. Feel free to do so.
I actually have, you just don't agree w/ it. There's quite a difference.
I don't feel like posting it again, as I've already done so numerous times in this thread alone. You could always go back and read it, though.
/shrug
I know your option..and I included it in my post. You think they will just wipe away the vet levels and make everyone the same which makes no logical sense. They are not going to just make all end game activities accessible to a fresh 50. If you can do 12 man trials, DSA and competitive pvp as a fresh 50..then why earn any champ points? Why bother with other factions? What happens to all the crafting levels and gear associated with all the vet levels? Sorry, but it makes no logical sense and nobody (including ZOS) has explained any logical way that would work.0 -
Xandryah✭✭✭I literally cannot stand to level to max again. I'm VR3 (gained V1-V3 doing solo PvP in Cyrodiil) and I cannot PvE for more than 30 seconds without losing complete interest so much so that I either re-enter Cyrodiil, or exit the game.
I know they plan to remove the Veteran Ranks in June, but why wait..? Just do it. I cannot push myself to go through another 100 levels worth of content for a second time...
No video-game should be painful in any aspect, and V1-V14 is just that, painful.
It does NOTHING good for the game. It creates GIGANTIC gaps between players, nothing more, nothing less. That is simply it. A gap creating element.
People who are really only interested in PvP become frustrated because they are nearly worhtless until around V10, and simply feel turned off to the game because they have to PvE.
Players who want to complete in the PvE that really matters (once you've loyally defended your alliance), only want to get sweet gear from dungeon runs (trials, etc.) and compete for top times, raid with friends, etc..
But they're forced to become a traitor and defend the other alliances (which many of us dispise).
ZoS... Please just remove them now. It does NOTHING to help your game. In fact, it really, really just hurts it.
well, i can sympathize with you 110%... i felt the same and barely managed to veteran 14 a toon...i used the words: "toil", "torture" "iron-man-race" or "excruciating" "tunnel without exit" "trauma" but... i
i read that levelling to lvl 50 is much much much easier now and done in a much much reasonable amount of real time, say... 25 hours or so..?
i soloed the whole game pretty much , maybe 85% of the time..idk.. and it took me 30 days of gaming time, 750 hours to get to lvl veteran 14... now i uninstalled and read and watch the forums for good news (especially pvp improvements)...
but..if you group up , you get much more XP i heard...and with aoe damage skills you kill much faster the mobs and everything... but grouping is key in ESO still... you must find people and friends to play with at all times and it will become better...
Good luck
Xandryah
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HungryHobo✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
How cute, you think those are the only options because your "brain" said so.
I haven't seen you or anyone else provide another option. Feel free to do so.
I actually have, you just don't agree w/ it. There's quite a difference.
I don't feel like posting it again, as I've already done so numerous times in this thread alone. You could always go back and read it, though.
/shrug
I know your option..and I included it in my post. You think they will just wipe away the vet levels and make everyone the same which makes no logical sense. They are not going to just make all end game activities accessible to a fresh 50. If you can do 12 man trials, DSA and competitive pvp as a fresh 50..then why earn any champ points? Why bother with other factions? What happens to all the crafting levels and gear associated with all the vet levels? Sorry, but it makes no logical sense and nobody (including ZOS) has explained any logical way that would work.
Strange, in one post you say I included no other option. Then in this post, you say that you "know" my option.
Like I said, there's a large difference in providing no options and you just disagreeing w/ it.
Also, if you DID know my option, you'd realize that there is still CP for character progression (that's why bother w/ doing all of those things you're asking about, because it still makes you stronger, you can just choose WHERE to get stronger).
As well as a fresh 50, you'd still need to obtain previous Season's Gear, or make yourself something comparable to be viable for the normal mode Trials, DSA, etc and then move into Hard Modes.
See, I have actually explained it in a very logical manner, you just don't WANT it to work that way. That's fine, but don't try to pretend that just because you disagree w/ something it suddenly stops being logical, lol.
It doesn't.
Wiping vet levels and making "End Game" content available at level 50 is fairly logical to me. As for crafting materials, the vet 1-14 mats and levels could become randomly dispersed through level 50 zones. The crafting tiers could represent the rarity of the material and a marginal increase over the lower tiered item. If anything like this was implemented, I wouldn't want to see a difference of 30% between lower tiered 50 items and the Vet14 tier equivalent. The max difference should be around 5-10%, no more. You could keep your Vet 14 stuff, but it would become weaker, more in line with level 50 items, but about 5-10% stronger. This wouldn't totally invalidate people's progression to V14 so far, and it would provide a marginal benefit for exploring the other factions in addition to the additional quests and other sources of xp/acheivment points.2 -
jluceyub17_ESO✭✭✭VET RANKS NOW AND VET RANKS FOREVER!!! Seriously, you'll need to gain more than 14 million experience just to have enough champion points to be competitive in any part of the game so why bother with Vet Rank removal.0
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The fact that there haven't been ANY mention whatsoever for months, that there has been NO communication about what will happen to gear, etc. It is the same pattern of silence that preceded the B2P announcement...
You literally hit what my brain said to type
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EQBallzz✭✭✭✭✭
✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
How cute, you think those are the only options because your "brain" said so.
I haven't seen you or anyone else provide another option. Feel free to do so.
I actually have, you just don't agree w/ it. There's quite a difference.
I don't feel like posting it again, as I've already done so numerous times in this thread alone. You could always go back and read it, though.
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I know your option..and I included it in my post. You think they will just wipe away the vet levels and make everyone the same which makes no logical sense. They are not going to just make all end game activities accessible to a fresh 50. If you can do 12 man trials, DSA and competitive pvp as a fresh 50..then why earn any champ points? Why bother with other factions? What happens to all the crafting levels and gear associated with all the vet levels? Sorry, but it makes no logical sense and nobody (including ZOS) has explained any logical way that would work.
Strange, in one post you say I included no other option. Then in this post, you say that you "know" my option.
Like I said, there's a large difference in providing no options and you just disagreeing w/ it.
Also, if you DID know my option, you'd realize that there is still CP for character progression (that's why bother w/ doing all of those things you're asking about, because it still makes you stronger, you can just choose WHERE to get stronger).
As well as a fresh 50, you'd still need to obtain previous Season's Gear, or make yourself something comparable to be viable for the normal mode Trials, DSA, etc and then move into Hard Modes.
See, I have actually explained it in a very logical manner, you just don't WANT it to work that way. That's fine, but don't try to pretend that just because you disagree w/ something it suddenly stops being logical, lol.
It doesn't.
You misunderstand my statement. I meant no other option than what I listed. Your option and the alleged goal of this transition is listed. Also, you haven't explained in a logical manner. You just keep glossing over the details of how a fresh 50 would be differentiated from someone who is currently v14 in full trial gear and playing at the top levels of the game.
Your details are scant which leads me to believe that you don't have any. Crafting is already fairly trivial so are you saying someone freshly 50 can just craft a set of armor and jump into 12 man trials with no champ points? I mean that's why you want rid of vet levels, right? So you can hit 50 and start doing "end game" content? If that's true then the game would be utterly trivialized and nobody would need more champ points and getting them would make the game stupid easy. If that's not what you mean and you are saying a fresh level 50 would need to earn a certain level of champ points to be competitive then it's no different than vet levels. You will need to earn XP to get 200 champ points (or whatever it is) just like you needed to level through vet levels. You can say but the choice of how to do that is up to you..but you have that choice now for vet levels (which also give CP). Grind. Do silver/gold. PvP. Nothing is different.
The suggestion from the previous poster to compress all vet level crafting into the sub 50 area is a nice try but there is already barely any difference between the armor levels/quality. Adding in 14 more levels into the sub 50 area would not make sense. I can already craft level 30 blue gear and it easily gets me through 15+ levels. Why would anyone need more levels of armor in between?Edited by EQBallzz on April 8, 2015 10:51PM1 -
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This makes sense to me. Someone with lower CPs or "earlier" Season gear will not be as efficient in Trials, but they will at least be able to try. Right now, it's not viable to even try Trials until you get to VR ~10, because the difference between 1 and 10 is so large.You misunderstand my statement. I meant no other option than what I listed. Your option and the alleged goal of this transition is listed. Also, you haven't explained in a logical manner. You just keep glossing over the details of how a fresh 50 would be differentiated from someone who is currently v14 in full trial gear and playing at the top levels of the game.
The details are there, you simply aren't acknowledging them.
A fresh 50 would be different than someone who is currently V14 in full Trial gear due to said gear AND having a lower CP (and very likely a far smaller pool of skill points and earned passives) amount than that person. They are already at a disadvantage in 2 ways, but can catch up faster than they can currently.
You know this, you're just being deliberately obtuse because you seem to think that people are somehow too stupid to realize that's the crux of your argument.Your details are scant which leads me to believe that you don't have any. Crafting is already fairly trivial so are you saying someone freshly 50 can just craft a set of armor and jump into 12 man trials with no champ points?
Why not?
Trial leaderboards are based on TIMES, which are improved through character progression like CP and gear. So yes, why bar a fresh 50 from joining Trials, it's not as though they are going to be a real threat to those on the leaderboards.
However, even running Trials at a slower pace, they gain necessary experience (both the points and ACTUAL experience learning the fights) and a chance at improving their gear, thus improving their times.
That is progression.
Again, simply because you disagree w/ what I've said doesn't make it invalid in any way. It's certainly a lot better than keeping what we've got, which is known for driving players AWAY from the game more than anything else.
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
What are you talking about? Nobody, anywhere, ever said anything about adding additional levels.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »So what about the skill points from the quests? I assume you guys who dont want to level also expect to be handed 300 skill points without working for them too?
If you want them, you can do them. You'll still gain CP for doing the quests too.
But if you just want to go do Trials and get Season Gear instead, you won't HAVE to do them.
This isn't rocket science.
You still keep ignoring the fact that you won't be doing trials or getting season gear or doing "competitive" pvp when you hit 50 whether there are vet levels or not. Once they add the 10-14 "regular" levels on top of 50 to replace the vet levels you will still need to level through all those before doing end game activities so you gain nothing with the removal of vet levels. Rocket science, indeed.
They're not adding regular levels. They're just removing veteran levels and leaving champion system as the post 50 progression system.
They say that but use your brain. They can't remove 14 levels of progression and have it disappear into thin air. If you think they will remove all vet levels and make it so that a fresh 50 can go straight to doing trials you are deluded. There is also the problem of all the crafting levels and materials associated with all the vet levels. It's not as simple as just removing the levels. Even if they did do that it would be such a massive trivialization of the difficulty that the entire CS would be unnecessary. If you can go from 50 to doing trials or competitive pvp why bother with getting CP?
They will either add normal levels to replace vet levels or they will tie the crafting/gear to the CS which would mean earning X number of CP before you can successfully do trials or competitive pvp. In any event you will not be going from fresh 50 straight to end game. That makes zero sense. Keep deluding yourself if you want to.
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Otherwise they wouldn't have had a conversion system.
Actually not. They've said since then they're trying to convert the veteran ranks without removing progress. If that was supposed to be the intent, then that wouldn't have been clearly stated. The 70 CP was to make up for the fact that as of right now, the higher your VR is, the less opportunity you have to get XP and drive the Champion System.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
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I haven't been able to find a single source by an official ZOS spokesperson saying anything remotely that they are in fact removing Vet Ranks and making level 50 the final level cap. I've seen them say they were overhauling the Vet system from needing vet points to experience points but that's about it. I was reading through a previous Road Ahead post and there wasn't anything said there as well. So I started skimming through the comments and a few people there were saying stuff like "Yes finally, no more vet levels". I was like lol where did it say that. Even on other websites I looked through it didn't say anything that vet ranks were being removed.
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I haven't been able to find a single source by an official ZOS spokesperson saying anything remotely that they are in fact removing Vet Ranks and making level 50 the final level cap. I've seen them say they were overhauling the Vet system from needing vet points to experience points but that's about it. I was reading through a previous Road Ahead post and there wasn't anything said there as well. So I started skimming through the comments and a few people there were saying stuff like "Yes finally, no more vet levels". I was like lol where did it say that. Even on other websites I looked through it didn't say anything that vet ranks were being removed.
http://dulfy.net/2014/07/12/eso-paul-sage-the-road-ahead-qa
I've quoted the ZOS post at least twice in this thread alone.... <.<
The plan has always been to remove VRs, it is phase 4 of the Champion System implementation (we are currently in Phase 3).
They never said that they were going to make level 50 the final level cap, that is simply many players' hope (and to be fair, many players also dislike this particular solution).
But since you couldn't seem to find what I did after about 10 seconds searching on Google, I'll quote it yet one more time just for you. : PZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.
We are hard at work on it and I’m here to answer a few of your questions. Most of these questions were also asked during our Guild Round Table in the last two days.
How will the current system change when the Champion System gets introduced?
The Champion System will introduce new past lvl 50 progression for your account where previously there was only an increase in Veteran Ranks and Attributes. The Champion System allows you spend points in the constellations to earn powerful passives such as giving your bash a chance to snare targets, reduce the amount of damage you take from flames or leech health on critical strikes.
What happens to the Veteran Ranks we currently have VR1-12?
We want to remove the Veteran Ranks from the game and rely on the more active progression provided by the Champion System. However, when we release the Champion System we will continue to maintain Veteran Ranks. We have several options as to how we will remove Veteran Ranks but all of them require time and careful planning. In the meantime, we are making Veteran Ranks earned by XP and reducing the overall time it takes to get a Veteran Rank. We are also rewarding an Attribute Point and a Skill Point each time you reach a Veteran Rank.
What happens to the Skill Points from VR1-12? Are they carried over to the CS instead?
The Skill Points we reward will not be removed from you! You will continue to have the same amount of Skill Points you do now. The Champion System does not reward any Skill Points, only gaining Veteran Ranks does. When we take out Veteran Ranks we will make sure that anyone that didn't make it max Veteran Rank will still rewarded with those Skill Points.
Does everyone that is a Veteran Rank get lowered back to lvl50? Or are the Ranks staying, but only being changed to lvl 51, 52, etc instead?
Similar to an answer before, we just don’t know yet.
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