Master Crafter - new perk for crafting!

Gidorick · March 2016

Lambtron wrote: »

Cirith, I really hope someone from ZOS takes a good look at your idea. As someone who's keen on getting low level skins for high end armour, I think it'd be a great addition to the immersion experience for many players.

I totally agree @Lambtron , but this idea was from July 2014... it's pretty obvious they have no desire to add this functionality to the game.

It's a shame, really.

Taryf · March 2016

Very good idea... Much better than "flying mounts", "swimming mounts", "dragons" etc.

Very cool, usefull and... No "P2W" feature...

So sad that this was "hang here" for years and it is abaddon.

i3ig_Gun · March 2016

Xbox One - NA

9 Traits in EVERYTHING

MSG me on Xbox for more information.

PS4_ZeColmeia · March 2016

I actually would like it to be slightly different. I would love that once you finish all 9 traits you could start researching sets.

For example, you want to craft unassailable armor so you have to find it research it and once completed its a set you can make.

The important feature to this would be that the research is done by slot not weight. So instead of only having heavy armor chest pieces you could make light or medium armor with the same set as long as you were 9 traits on chest with that crafting as well.

Would get rid of out growing great sets because they are only drops in low zones and would add a whole new dimension to crafting.

You could do the same thing for unique appearance gear.

Make it take 45 days per piece at 4 point investment to do it.

CirithValaria · March 2016

@Lambtron
I do too, but like @Gidorick said it has become more and more clear that anything proposed on this forum (no matter how much people like it or good it is) is ignored unless they have direct plans to do it otherwise too.

This doesn't mean we are not going to see system like this, but looking at all the motifs they are adding and what phase (more that people are asking actually), it's imo an indication of their opinion how to give people gear/style diversity.

So as easy as this system sounds, for some reason they are very unwilling to even comment on this thread.
This thread has been active pretty much on weekly/monthly basis ever since I made it few months after this game was launched. I'm glad it stays that way and people like the idea, I don't want to give up and I still feedback this weekly in-game, but for now all I can do is to thank for your bumps

Thanks for keeping it alive!

Also...

@i3ig_Gun
This is completely wrong thread to post that - thanks for the bump tho!

@PS4_ZeColmeia
No idea what you are talking about and I'm pretty sure you misunderstood this thread.
Nevertheless I thank you for the bump

Gidorick · March 2016

yea @CirithValaria , it's REALLY disheartening to see that ZOS just outright ignores ideas from the community. I get the feeling that they feel like they "know better" than we do... when WE are the customers they are making the content FOR...

I've been kicking and screaming to the realization that ESO will never live up to the Elder Scrolls name... it's actually starting to settle in now after their release of the Assistants.

What ESO is... is great. It really is. It's just not as great as The Elder Scrolls name demands or deserves.

Oh well... I'll still play so they will still get my money, which is all they care about. Same for you it seems. So, ZOS wins I guess. Right?

CirithValaria · March 2016

Truly so @Gidorick and thinking the time you have consumed on your ideas and their presentations is just wow.
So almost hard to imagine how you must feel.

Quote from Zos mail: "It is great to see such enthusiasm! We appreciate how creative and dedicated our fans are."
Why I always find so hard to believe this?

To those who read this and haven't yet checked out @Gidorick signature link...
pay a visit here for some crazy good ideas : http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/171334/gidoricks-concept-repository/p1

Overall
Yeah I keep playing this game since I love it and sometimes it feels very Elders Scrolls..sometimes less. It has all the potential to be a great mmorpg and even great TES title, only ones holding it back are the folks at ZOS. I hope 1 day they realize how dedicated their fans are and start listening to them (not meaning myself now lol).

In the end ZOS wins anyway so the struggle may be in vain and it would be better to go with the flow...
..but wheres the fun in that?

Fischblut · March 2016

I support the idea from original post, and I don't understand why it's still ignored by developers after so much time

I also support idea suggested by @PS4_ZeColmeia - this would be amazing too!

For example, few out-leveled sets take (my) expensive bag/bank space just for some certain special bonuses. Even if they were scaled to my level, I still do not like their look/style and they do not have traits which I need... If I could craft these sets myself - any level, any style, any trait - they would become 100% useful. And ability to craft these sets with all types of armor is awesome addition!

...But I do not support

Make it take 45 days per piece at 4 point investment to do it.

Even current 30 days research limit is too long in my opinion

Nerouyn · March 2016

This would be a very cheap way to significantly increase player satisfaction by granting proper access to already fully developed graphical assets.

There's a wealth of great looking equipment which we essentially can't use without ridiculously gimping ourselves. I would definitely love to see some way for us to be able to use lower tier armour and weapon skins.

Caeric · April 2016

Just adding my voice that I really like this idea. I would much prefer to have the choice to mix and match to create a certain look, and as the models are already in game this adds a relatively easy yet very versatile system to do so.

Let me add, while I'm at it, that I would also like a large model (life-size) preview of items as they would appear on my character - much like the costumes work in the store except that each piece changes on my character model as I choose a different item. This would make planning a look, even with the current restrictions, much easier.

Gidorick · April 2016

@CirithValaria ! Your image links are broken! Do you have backups?

CirithValaria · April 2016

I usually check them almost on daily basis since I linked them from FB. (lol)
Just moved to a new apartment so it has been hectic few weeks.
You were sharp on this, many thanks!

newtinmpls · May 2016

Yes yes yes!!

*wipes drool away*

C0wrex · May 2016

Great idea

))) Sounds really cool for customizing my characters even further!

Vaoh · May 2016

Let this thread live a little longer.

If ZOS sees this topic enough then maybe... just MAYBE.... they'll consider adding it. This is a beautiful idea and should be added for sure.

What's the point in throwing away multiple variants of around half the current craftable motifs?

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 2016

Doncellius wrote: »

What's the point in throwing away multiple variants of around half the current craftable motifs?

+1 This. I'd really like to be able to use the earlier stuff; just because my character is a big hero doesn't mean they want to dress the part. Maybe they want to blend in, or maybe they just have a small ego and don't feel the need to dress better than the Queen.

And this would have the added bonus that I could make my V16 weapon a non-red, non-purple color and Zenimax wouldn't have to implement weapon dyes--I'd just craft it to look like a lower level.

Whiphid · May 2016

This would be an awesome addition. I really didn't like the point were the Breton light armor pauldron was changed into those silly looking things. The early, more natural looking version of the Nord staff was also much more interesting than what it became in higher skill levels.

craybest · May 2016

I would absolutely love this! it would fix all my armor problems! I much more prefer the simpler motifs from the lower levels.
Please devs! you would make so many people so happy!!

CirithValaria · May 2016

Thanks all from these well thought comments, so much appreciated

I couldn't agree more!

TheSpin · May 2016

I Personally think the original post idea is a bit restricted and also a little complicated.

I would like to simply be able to change the appearance of any piece of gear in my inventory by adding X amount of style material, and Y amount of refined material to that item... so to make a level VR 16 medium piece look like a level 1 wood elf piece, I would use the new feature, add the level 16 chest, then apply 1 bone and 15 tier 1 leather, and it's done. That way it can be applied to all gear, even dropped gear.

Gidorick · May 2016

TheSpin wrote: »

I Personally think the original post idea is a bit restricted and also a little complicated.

I would like to simply be able to change the appearance of any piece of gear in my inventory by adding X amount of style material, and Y amount of refined material to that item... so to make a level VR 16 medium piece look like a level 1 wood elf piece, I would use the new feature, add the level 16 chest, then apply 10 bone and 15 tier 1 leather, and it's done. That way it can be applied to all gear, even dropped gear.

I disagree that this feature should be applied to dropped gear. Crafted great should be "special" and players should be incentivized to craft armor.

TheSpin · May 2016

@Gidorick

I disagree because there are already dropped sets in the game that are different than crafted sets. These dropped items can be upgraded in quality through crafting, so why not allow the appearance to be updated through crafting?

The incentive should be on leveling up a crafter enough to unlock the ability to change the style. Crafters should not be penalized and unable to modify a piece of gear simply because it isn't crafted.

I think my proposal should still require high level crafting skill and skill point investment to use. The incentive for crafted gear should be the set bonuses. If the set bonuses aren't good enough, that is a separate problem.

poochie · May 2016

Rather just have a window that pops up so I can see the models better and can move them around like FFXIV and WoW have.

CirithValaria · May 2016

TheSpin wrote: »

I Personally think the original post idea is a bit restricted and also a little complicated.

I would like to simply be able to change the appearance of any piece of gear in my inventory by adding X amount of style material, and Y amount of refined material to that item... so to make a level VR 16 medium piece look like a level 1 wood elf piece, I would use the new feature, add the level 16 chest, then apply 1 bone and 15 tier 1 leather, and it's done. That way it can be applied to all gear, even dropped gear.

Original idea was:
...to have more variety and options style wise (to unlock earlier models), more rewards for dedicated crafters and all this in a way that makes sense, is immersive and fits well in our crafting UI.

I say this as a real life and in-game crafter: It is extremely important for me that when I craft something I actually craft it and can feel pride about it..not just click a button that transforms it to something or put it in a machine and let computer create something I partially designed...call me old fashioned, for that that I am.

This system was only meant to unlock earlier models when crafting higher lvl gear.
Upgrading level or changing style for already crafted gear wasn't part of this idea. (should it be? personally I'm not a fan)
Off-topic...I hate how they did: * convert to imperial style* it's cheap and lazy.

I strongly disagree on "little complicated" part since all this system adds is 1 option where you choose the model within the style all rest stays exactly like they is. I also offered an UI solution.
What you described felt lot more tricky and partially different system. Also not many dropped sets have styles that upgrade and since they are already crafted, it doesn't fit to this systems core principles.

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Would it be cool to change dropped gear visually, maybe..but that's a whole different thing than this perk.
So yeah it might be slightly restricted if you want it to be something more than what it is meant to be.
Could the system be improved and tweaked to cover other needs too - most likely!
As I stated in some old comment here: I only wanted to offer an idea..a skeleton if u may and let ZOS add some flesh and muscles to it...Nevertheless thanks for your feedback! I just hope they open up the crafting system 1 way or another.

@poochie
Luckily preview is confirmed and coming, hopefully it will ease up the crafting pain for you and for me

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 2016

CirithValaria wrote: »

Luckily preview is confirmed and coming, hopefully it will ease up the crafting pain for you and for me

When? This is news to me.

CirithValaria · May 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

CirithValaria wrote: »

Luckily preview is confirmed and coming, hopefully it will ease up the crafting pain for you and for me

When? This is news to me.

no ETA $:\$
They only said they are working on it..no link to source atm, but I try to find it.
Kai confirmed that in Twich chat once, but there's been other places too.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 2016

@CirithValaria : Still good news!

Thank you!

Silverado · May 2016

Love the idea. This would elevate crafting to a whole new level. Crafting is fine right now but with this idea implemented it would be killer.

thomas1970b16_ESO · May 2016

This is an awesome idea. Some of the low level stuff from the racial motifs look much better than the higher level ones. Definately would give more choice.

newtinmpls · May 2016

CirithValaria wrote: »

This system was only meant to unlock earlier models when crafting higher lvl gear.
Upgrading level or changing style for already crafted gear wasn't part of this idea. (should it be? personally I'm not a fan)
Off-topic...I hate how they did: * convert to imperial style* it's cheap and lazy.

I agree that picking a design (even a "lower level" design) when you make something makes sense to me.

Converting - even to Imperial style - doesn't.