Master Crafter - new perk for crafting!

KORJ

Good idea, I like it.
Now tell me who I have to kill for it.

My Battle Bear and shotgun ready for the changes.

Maleficus

+1 sold, I am in... Would be a great addition to the crafting..

DontBeAfraid

very very nice idea.
i even gave you an "agree" AND an "awesome"

drogon1

great idea. kudos!

Limbus

Good idea

CirithValaria

Glad you all like!
All support is very much appreciated, thank you:)

CirithValaria

Updated!
Poll, thanks to Lord_Draevan

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122804/crafting-lower-level-looks-with-high-level-materials#latest

Lord_Draevan

I wish the option to chose model was available, and hope it gets added in the future. For example, I prefer the Steel and Oricalchum Imperial armor models over the Dwarven and higher models.

CirithValaria

I so know what you mean!
I've even been as low as wearing some parts of lvl 25-30 gear at VR++.
And no I'm not that poor, it was simply a matter of aesthetics and style

Nightgard

Yes ! Yes ! and Yes !

Leeloo.S

I love this idea ! Thanks for sharing... I hope they'll consider it.

I prefer this than other way to change the skin of armors like we could have seen before, in others MMO (Aion, GW2).

Bleakraven

CirithValaria wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Very good idea! I suppose it is not very difficult technically, is it?

I'm no game developer, but imo this sounds "easy enough".
Basically "half the work" is done, because all the models/styles are already in the game.

It's not very difficult no, but can heavily depend on how the system was programmed. Should be fine.

leandro.800ub17_ESO

I like it . Add the models for the drooped sets (could be gained by a special research also for masters) and you get a great customization experience

CirithValaria

Hori_Loo wrote: »

I love this idea ! Thanks for sharing... I hope they'll consider it.

I prefer this than other way to change the skin of armors like we could have seen before, in others MMO (Aion, GW2).

Yes it would be great to have it part of the crafting itself and really make it matter, which I think is the case if they decide to do something like this.
Dyes for example, they could have just put some sliders on some random menu, but again they showed that whatever they do they really like to do it well and with care


@Bleakraven‌
Good to hear, thanks for the insights


Overall,
There seems to be ongoing nice little conversations here and there about this little system of ours and it couldn't make me happier to see so many wanting this to happen. It has helped a lot to spread this idea. Thank you all!

Enkil

I love this very well thought out suggestion. I wonder if it could be added up where the improvement option is though and be a way to remodel dropped gear as well. I use the Shadowdancer dropped set and it's hideous... would love to be able to remodel it. This would also make the new perk work with existing gear which I'm sure the people that have improved items up to legendary would welcome...

CirithValaria

Enkil wrote: »

I love this very well thought out suggestion. I wonder if it could be added up where the improvement option is though and be a way to remodel dropped gear as well. I use the Shadowdancer dropped set and it's hideous... would love to be able to remodel it. This would also make the new perk work with existing gear which I'm sure the people that have improved items up to legendary would welcome...

Interesting idea!

CirithValaria

Updating this with another model comparison.
Still no dyes.

Here is Imperial light armor from flax and kreshweed.
Material itself doesn't seem to change all that much visually and only epaulets have more" armorish" look.
Biggest difference surely is the "bling bling" in kreshweed (veteran) model and more "heavier" epaulets.


(hood is Primal)

I personally like the flax version a lot more, "bling bling" just isn't for me.
Flax have nice plain and scholar look, where if you mix some other material pieces you can get nice variations. That's why Master Crafter is so great.

ps. sorry for bad quality.

CirithValaria

UPDATE!
Moved this to crafting section.

GnatB

Are you suggesting the master craftman perk for having all 3 at 50, or for whichever one(s) are at 50?

I'd argue having single characters skilled in all crafts should be discouraged, and we should be expected to specialize, not encouraged by special bonuses if you have not specialized.

Heck, I'd be more inclined to suggest that once you hit 50 in a particular crafting skill, you can choose to specialize in it, and THEN you can get special perks (such as this one) in that particular crafting skill. However you can only specialize in a single one (obviously, that's what specialize means)

(Oh, and I'd also *strongly* argue that said perks should be stuff that is tradeable, not stuff that only the crafter can enjoy.

CirithValaria

@GnatB

Master Crafter is a passive (1 SP) or achievement prize (free) in each of the 3 mentioned crafting professions and it is unlocked when reaching level 50.
I.E: You reach lvl 50 in BS, so you have now unlocked the master crafter, but the other 2 professions won't have it until they are lvl 50 too.
IRL and in-game we can master multiple things so I think it should stay open to achieve all if you so desire.
Idea is that the gear crafted when choosing model other than the material default is like any other crafted gear (won't bound, unless it's set gear and it's equipped)

Alternative system which I first thought and what we have discussed earlier on this thread was that: every time you unlock material you can use its model for free.
(i.e you have unlocked jute,flax and cotton, you are making cotton epaulets and now you can choose models from jute,flax and cotton)

Quote from my earlier post in this thread:
"Then I decided to go with Master Crafter version, just because this is an mmo and there are things that need to be achieved and at the moment you really don't have too many reasons to level crafting skills at 50 or at least you don't get anything nice from it. People need these kind of nice things, things that you work to achieve.

I prefer the version where you unlock them as you advance, but I simply felt people would find Master Crafter more appeal.
This is the idea only, the concept overall is just one possibility of many...
I hope ESO adds this feature and how ever they choose to do it I'll support it"

thompson.rob23_ESO

i can't count the amount of times i have crafted a piece of armor and been sad about how it looks. It would also be cool to have a preview window of either just the piece of armor or what it would look like on your character.

CirithValaria

thompson.rob23_ESO wrote: »

i can't count the amount of times i have crafted a piece of armor and been sad about how it looks. It would also be cool to have a preview window of either just the piece of armor or what it would look like on your character.

Yeah indeed!
This brings great deal of variations, and makes possible to make those earlier gear parts we so learn to love. (we all have our own favorites)
Besides after this all vr players wouldn't look the same.

Preview would make it complete.
ZOS has said that it is in their future plans so..thats good

Bleakraven

Hope this happens, would go so well with dyes.

Aeradon

+1

aipex8_ESO

While this is a cool idea, I can kind of understand why this medium top:



Would have a higher armor rating/better stats than this one:

indigoblades

I like this ....

Circuitica

aipex8_ESO wrote: »

While this is a cool idea, I can kind of understand why this medium top:



Would have a higher armor rating/better stats than this one:

Yes, I can see your point.

Nevertheless, there are veteran rank armors that uncover skin more than others. Still they share the same armor rating.

CirithValaria

@aipex8_ESO‌
Yes you are correct and I agree, it's something we have discussed before.

Personally I think there is more of those that doesn't have so dramatic difference.
Besides if that is the only reason why this isn't viable system, then many disguises should not be available neither.
And like @Circuitica mentioned there are few high level armors that show more skin than some low level.

And one aspect that I've never mentioned on this thread before is this:
There are many npc's that are considered "mighty warriors" or at least "skilled" and they "mostly" use low level gear models.
And then there are those "iconic" npc's like Sai Sahan who is...well..basically naked

Well that explains the arm I guess

But yeah the idea isn't bullet proof, but so isn't the game.
I've only offered the soul and I hope ZOS will provide flesh and bones...
Still glad you all like it.

Viva la customization!

Bleakraven

His beard is the only armour he needs.

Hamfast

First off, let me say I like this idea and would like to add my voice to the support of it.

I think the idea for adding a "Master Crafter" skill tree would be an awesome idea, perhaps with morphs and limits to give us meaningful choices, this one being one of those choices (spending a Skill point to allow a crafter to use another model with the material, thus a master crafter could make level 1 armor with the VR12 style)... Other options (Again for more skill points) would be repair, more improvements, learning additional styles, Researching the dropped Armor sets to allow for making it, extended traits and anything else that can be thought of.