Master Crafter - new perk for crafting!

CirithValaria · July 2014

Aranarth wrote: »

J'ai partagé l'idée en section fr

If google translated right you shared this topic on FR side, thank you a lot!

For devs:
I just wonder what is your policy regarding this suggestion?
Before I made this post I sent the idea to you via email and I got polite and quick answer (like always) that said:

"While we really appreciate how creative and dedicated you are, it is our policy not to accept suggestions submitted from outside our company. We would like to let you know that there is a dedicated forum where you can share and discuss ideas with other fans. Therefore, I encourage you to register and post on our official forums"

I hope your policy now allows you to do things with the idea..I'm surely giving you all the rights to do it.

Anyways,
Thank you all for supporting the idea! Keep liking and sharing it

AlexDougherty · July 2014

CirithValaria wrote: »

Aranarth wrote: »

J'ai partagé l'idée en section fr

If google translated right you shared this topic on FR side, thank you a lot!

For devs:
I just wonder what is your policy regarding this suggestion?
Before I made this post I sent the idea to you via email and I got polite and quick answer (like always) that said:

"While we really appreciate how creative and dedicated you are, it is our policy not to accept suggestions submitted from outside our company. We would like to let you know that there is a dedicated forum where you can share and discuss ideas with other fans. Therefore, I encourage you to register and post on our official forums"

I hope your policy now allows you to do things with the idea..I'm surely giving you all the rights to do it.

Anyways,
Thank you all for supporting the idea! Keep liking and sharing it

@CirithValaria they have implemented Ideas off the forums before. I hope they do the same with this one, it appears to have only benefits for the game, so fingers crossed.

Evergnar · July 2014

100% yes on this idea. Have wanted this since the beginning. A lot of work went into the designs of armor. Why waste that hard work. As with so many things in ESO it's unfortunate that we only get to experience or have it briefly.

Circuitica · July 2014

Tr1cksh0t wrote: »

I'm still convinced the only people that want this are teenage boys playing female toons and wanting to run around in bosmer medium/light armor. lol

Yeah right...teenage boys, many others and me. I'm an "adult" female and would love to see my character in one of the early bosmer light armors.

It's pity there are beautiful tattoos in the game but you can't really show them off because vet armors tend to cover them. $:\$

I think Cirith's idea is awesome.

Azzuria · July 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Tr1cksh0t wrote: »

I'm still convinced the only people that want this are teenage boys playing female toons and wanting to run around in bosmer medium/light armor. lol

What??

No, quite a few medium level armours are better looking than the types just above them. We want to have the better look with the best stats we can equip.

I simply -adore- Bosmer Full Leather armor. The spikes, oh, the spikes!!

Sighlynce · July 2014

Love it love it love it !!!

Great idea

CirithValaria · July 2014

@AlexDougherty
Yeah I really hope so

@Evergnar
You are right! There are so many novice material armours and weapons that look so awesome and we barely got to use them because we out-level the material (and style/model) so fast + now with dyes the colours would not even be any problem anymore

@Tr1cksh0t @Circuitica
Well we have all been little teenage boys and girls..once. I think it's only healthy to have little of that left even at mature age

@Azzuria‌
‌Oh spikes.. and bones...I wonder if they allow us to dye spikes and bones or other similar details..hmm needs pts testing on that one.

Overall
I feel that ESO has great overall gear design and would love to utilize it more than we can now. Imagine all the combos we could create! And what's the best thing in it? It's easy and completely lore&immersion friendly:)

And again thank you all for supporting the idea

CirithValaria · July 2014

Here is link to the french discussion (for you who prefer it): http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121767/maitre-artisant-nouveau-passif-artisanat#latest

Thank you Aranarth!

xaraan · July 2014

For the love of Lorkan, yes. I HATE most v12 gear and would love to be able to make the style of gear I was wearing around level 20 that I loved.

The_Sadist · July 2014

An awesome idea which would be welcomed with open arms, great job, here's hoping ZeniMax takes it on board!

Bookwyrm · July 2014

Yes, please!

AlexDougherty · July 2014

xaraan wrote: »

For the love of Lorkan, yes. I HATE most v12 gear and would love to be able to make the style of gear I was wearing around level 20 that I loved.

Yeah, the Veteran level gear has been the most criticised.

TequilaFire · July 2014

+1 Awesome idea, especially with a preview.

XquixoticalX · July 2014

Great idea but I'm not even sure I see why one should need to be a "master crafter" to do this. I do love your idea, don't get me wrong, but hear me out...

In my opinion, once you've trained and put in the skill points to be able to craft at a certain level, you should always be able to create anything at that level and everything at all levels below it, including all the lower level "looks." You've already put in the work and the skill points to learn it. You KNOW it. It makes no sense that just because now you KNOW MORE, you wouldn't ever be able to create something again that you KNOW how to create! (If we're being realistic about how actual blacksmithing/woodworking/etc. works.)

Unless in ESO's case we're not dealing with realistic forms of these crafting skills, but rather versions of them where the master somehow "forgets" all the things he learned as an apprentice.

CirithValaria · July 2014

XquixoticalX wrote: »

Great idea but I'm not even sure I see why one should need to be a "master crafter" to do this. I do love your idea, don't get me wrong, but hear me out...

In my opinion, once you've trained and put in the skill points to be able to craft at a certain level, you should always be able to create anything at that level and everything at all levels below it, including all the lower level "looks." You've already put in the work and the skill points to learn it. You KNOW it. It makes no sense that just because now you KNOW MORE, you wouldn't ever be able to create something again that you KNOW how to create! (If we're being realistic about how actual blacksmithing/woodworking/etc. works.)

Unless in ESO's case we're not dealing with realistic forms of these crafting skills, but rather versions of them where the master somehow "forgets" all the things he learned as an apprentice.

This honestly was my first version of the idea and you are right it is more realistic and makes more sense.
Then I decided to go with Master Crafter version, just because this is an mmo and there are things that need to be achieved and at the moment you really don't have too many reasons to level crafting skills at 50 or at least you don't get anything nice from it. People need these kind of nice things, things that you work to achieve.

I prefer the version where you unlock them as you advance, but I simply felt people would find Master Crafter more appeal.
This is the idea only, the concept overall is just one possibility of many...
I hope ESO adds this feature and how ever they choose to do it I'll support it.

I'm glad you liked it ^^

Ser Lobo · July 2014

I support his idea wholeheartedly, specifically for all crafters to benefit.

There are several good posts to benefit master craftsmen. I'll link mine in the crafting forums:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112147/the-master-craftsman-evolving-eso-to-support-end-game-crafters#latest

Bleakraven · July 2014

I love this idea! Would be great to make that one look you really really want! 100% agree

Syntse · July 2014

Like said I already support this idea. There are few things to think.

Basically it has been that the "strenght" of the material has determined the level and looks. So leather item looks leather item. Now we come to the trivial part, that making item with ironhide that looks like leather. There's bit inconsistency there that fights with the basics.

Of course it could be so that it extends the range if the item itself so that you would still make it with leather but can make it up to what ever. Here comes also bit strange that you use eg 150 pieces of leather make vet 10 belt, that's a whole lot leather put into belt (imagine how it would look like rl).

Those are things that kinda fights against basics and reality (well "reality" since we play in fantasy world).

theyancey · July 2014

Having a master level for us crafters is a great idea! Along wit that we should give a special title to the winner of the fishing tournaments, "Master Baiters."

Black_Wolf88 · July 2014

I like this idea about choosing which model to have.
+1 support from me

CirithValaria · July 2014

@ruze84b14_ESO‌
I will surely check your thread in more detail later on, but with quick glimpse it seemed awesome

Reivax · July 2014

Terrific idea, and the preview before equipping would be great!

CirithValaria · July 2014

Syntse wrote: »

Like said I already support this idea. There are few things to think.

Basically it has been that the "strenght" of the material has determined the level and looks. So leather item looks leather item. Now we come to the trivial part, that making item with ironhide that looks like leather. There's bit inconsistency there that fights with the basics.

Of course it could be so that it extends the range if the item itself so that you would still make it with leather but can make it up to what ever. Here comes also bit strange that you use eg 150 pieces of leather make vet 10 belt, that's a whole lot leather put into belt (imagine how it would look like rl).

Those are things that kinda fights against basics and reality (well "reality" since we play in fantasy world).

Yeah one variation which I considered was in fact (like you said) an idea where you craft (from lets say jute) a belt. Atm max level to that would be 15, but the idea was that adding more jute would allow to keep rising the gear level and therefore keep on enjoying the style.
OFC the reason why I left the idea is just like you said.
("that's a whole lot leather put into belt (imagine how it would look like rl).")
And it wouldn't make sense, because one can only use x amount of material in a shirt (unless it's XXXXL Ogrim size.)

I consider materials visually similar enough. Jute compared to Ebonthread for example: Ebonthread has better textures, but main difference is the colours which ofc you can dye to whatever after GU 3.
Material quality and improving gear will have lesser impact on gear looks from now on and materials look visually more alike if you dye them with same color.

Only problem that I got with my idea and the materials is that earlier styles/models have more plain look (not so "armored") and therefore have lower armor rating. BUT when Master Crafter allows us to do Ebonthread version of Jute jerkin model, the look is plain and "unarmored" but armor rating and level is much better (it doesn't necessarily look that it protects you that much).
So not totally bulletproof idea, but it's the most bulletproof that I can think of.

Here is some gear/material comparisons and examples:

Dunmer Light Jerkin & Bosmer Light Epaulets
Jute/Cotton/Ebonthread

Breton Medium Chest/Shoulders
Raw Hide/Leather/Topgrain Hide

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Argonian Heavy Chest/Pauldrons.
Iron/Orichalcum/Ebony

Redguard 1h Axe
Iron/Orichalcum/Calcinium

So light armours get more armored, medium armours more "tightened" and metallic, heavy armours got little larger+ details and weapons get more size +details.
After dyeing those with same colours and only difference would be the "more armored" look and slightly better textures.

Sorry about long post!
I hope I did make some sense in there somewhere.

EDIT: Some racial styles have bad/lower quality textures no matter what material u use, for example barbaric,bosmer and orsimer light armors (specially chest pieces)

Circuitica · July 2014

I hope so much they make this happen some day. There would be so many variations in armors to have.

CirithValaria · July 2014

Indeed.
I hope they will give it a thought at least

It would make a marvelous little filler in some of their patches or game updates.

b92303008rwb17_ESO · July 2014

Very good idea! I suppose it is not very difficult technically, is it?

gurluasb16_ESO · July 2014

I support this ^^

CirithValaria · July 2014

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Very good idea! I suppose it is not very difficult technically, is it?

I'm no game developer, but imo this sounds "easy enough".
Basically "half the work" is done, because all the models/styles are already in the game.

CirithValaria · July 2014

I made some examples what this improvement would allow us to do.
These are nothing too fancy and mostly from same racial style), idea is to show how well novice models blend in with the veteran versions and together create unique looks.
Unfortunately no dye option yet.

Here we go:

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Kresh Fiber/ Jerkin - Breton (L)
Cotton/ Hat - Breton (L)
Flax/ Epaulets - Breton (L)
Jute/ Breeches - Breton (L)
Flax/ Gloves - Breton (L)
Kresh Fiber/ Shoes - Breton (L)
Ebonthread/ Sash - Breton (L)
Iron/ Daggers - Dunmer

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Cotton/ Jerkin - Bosmer (L)
Flax/ Epaulets - Bosmer (L)
Cottom/ Hat - Bosmer (L)
Kresh Fiber/ Gloves - Bosmer (L)
Jute/ Breeches - Bosmer (L)
Ebonthread/ Sash - Bosmer (L)
Spidersilk/ Shoes - Bosmer (L)
Orichalcum/ 2H Maul - Barbaric

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Kresh Fiber/ Epaulets - Dunmer (L)
Topgrain Hide/ Jack - Breton (M)
Spidersilk/ Hat - Breton (L)
Ebonthread/ Gloves - Dunmer (L)
Spidersilk/ Breeches - Dunmer (L)
Kresh Fiber/ Shoes - Breton (L)
Fell Hide/ Belt - Dunmer (M)
Steel/ Axes - Breton

As you can see even these few racial styles have very nice models in them that can create unique looks which are not available at veteran materials at the moment.
Hope you like it ^^

Circuitica · July 2014

@CirithValaria‌