Master Crafter - new perk for crafting!

Reb

+1 from me ..a great idea

CirithValaria

Here is little something that I decided to craft for my VR++ healer to show my true dedication! I've always wanted to make him more of a druid(ish) - nature type healer with natural colors, but I've never been satisfied with veteran gear models. Loving the dyes!

Flax/ Hood - Bosmer (L)
Flax/ Epaulets - Breton (L)
Cotton/ Jerkin - Breton (L)
Jute/ Hands - Redguard (L)
Jute/ Feet - Redguard (L)
Kreshweed/ Pants - Bosmer (L)
Cotton/ Sash - Khajiit (L)

Maple/ Staff - Nord

With Master Crafter this would be possible for real...and not only in my dreams

Bleakraven

Researching set/quest reward visuals and using them with Master Crafter would be great too. Oh I really do hope they implement this. And craftable skirts. And NPC (not major lore char) clothes. I just wanna look like a blacksmith with the red shirt and the black apron

gamerb14_ESO9

I vote yes -- looks like a great idea for RP'ers, etc.

CirithValaria

Bleakraven wrote: »

Researching set/quest reward visuals and using them with Master Crafter would be great too. Oh I really do hope they implement this. And craftable skirts. And NPC (not major lore char) clothes. I just wanna look like a blacksmith with the red shirt and the black apron

Oh yeeeeeeeeeeees!

andrantos

I suggested something similar and these mock ups are awesome! The differences in the skin/texture/geometry can be quite dramatic even between tiers - so there is a TON of variety already in the game simply not being utilized once players reach the endgame.

CirithValaria

@andrantos‌
You are soooo absolutely right about skin/texture/geometry not being utilized enough.
And when you start to think of it how could it be? Because on those novice model levels (1-45, especially the first half) you level quite fast and most likely lack some or many of the normal motifs and maybe even resources (to mix and match different styles & models).

Now that we have dyes, early stuff would fit in... like a glove

OFC if you have a crafter slave who is willing to do you anything anytime or you have your main dude doing stuff for your alts. Then just maybe for that short period of time you can enjoy... and miss them later on.

I craft gear to all my 8 and my girlfriends 4 characters so all our mains & alts have where to choose from (spoiled brats), but it won't erase the fact that I'm mostly stuck with vr models and miss some specific early gear models...

It's all about variety, customization and creating something unique.
At the moment people really look the same...

KenjiJU

Want.

Would also like to enhance my soul-shriven sandals, but that might be too silly.

AlexDougherty

CirithValaria wrote: »

It's all about variety, customization and creating something unique.
At the moment people really look the same...

Well apart from the slightly different nuances in the armour (I put my Templar in Imperial and my DK in Dunmer Armours, they do look different) and add dyes (the key is not to think about the rarity of the dyes, just how they look). And voila you can achieve a personal look.

CirithValaria

@AlexDougherty‌
Sorry for my misleading words...didn't mean that veteran armors look all the same which they don't (like you said), but rather that most people tend to use the same ones (breton, imperial and daedric) for whatever reasons...
And yes I know that even after Master Crafter people would use those, but I bet (hope) there would be much more variations running around.

And ofc with dyes (which I sort by hue, don't care about rarity) one with creative imagination can do wonders

By all means I'm not complaining that people look the same, I don't care that much how anyone looks as long as I can look the way I want. I'm just hoping to get (and offering a easy way to implement) more customization available for all of us.

EDIT: I enjoy seeing creative people in-game and this is a great way to feed those people.

AlexDougherty

CirithValaria wrote: »

@AlexDougherty‌
Sorry for my misleading words...didn't mean that veteran armors look all the same which they don't (like you said), but rather that most people tend to use the same ones (breton, imperial and daedric) for whatever reasons...
And yes I know that even after Master Crafter people would use those, but I bet (hope) there would be much more variations running around.

And ofc with dyes (which I sort by hue, don't care about rarity) one with creative imagination can do wonders

By all means I'm not complaining that people look the same, I don't care that much how anyone looks as long as I can look the way I want. I'm just hoping to get (and offering a easy way to implement) more customization available for all of us.

EDIT: I enjoy seeing creative people in-game and this is a great way to feed those people.

Oh, sorry I misread what you were saying. Yes, people do seem to go for the same styles, for a variety of reasons (I did start writing them, and realised it sounded petulant (my style probably)).

I do like looking different myself, although I will admit I do fall into the same styling traps as everyone else. At least my sorc looks a bit different at the moment.

CirithValaria

Today I made a mule character and decided to loot few racks to get at least something on him.
I've never really looted those racks before, because I usually craft all I need.
Anyways I got lvl 3 Dunmer light armor chest and epaulets, but for my huge surprise they had Cotton (lvl 26-35) model.



Let's play with the idea...
"Master Crafter could work this way also.
Basically if you meet the requirements of a Master Crafter; you can craft gear using any material model that you have already unlocked.
Why not if ZOS thinks it's okey that way too! "

Personally I like it to be so that you can't choose a model above the material lvl you are crafting (this is the original idea).
BUT (the point is)
Zos made baby gear look like adult gear... so why can't we craft the opposite

AlexDougherty

CirithValaria wrote: »

Today I made a mule character and decided to loot few racks to get at least something on him.
I've never really looted those racks before, because I usually craft all I need.
Anyways I got lvl 3 Dunmer light armor chest and epaulets, but for my huge surprise they had Cotton (lvl 26-35) model.



Let's play with the idea...
"Master Crafter could work this way also.
Basically if you meet the requirements of a Master Crafter; you can craft gear using any material model that you have already unlocked.
Why not if ZOS thinks it's okey that way too! "

Personally I like it to be so that you can't choose a model above the material lvl you are crafting (this is the original idea).
BUT (the point is)
Zos made baby gear look like adult gear... so why can't we craft the opposite

Nice piece of gear, I currently have the Spidersilk Dunmer Jerkin on my Sorceror, but the Cotton one looks nicer to me.

Don't get me wrong, they both look good, I just prefer the earlier model.

CirithValaria

Updating this with yet another little comparison post.
This time heavy helmet and shield.

Redguard helmet
Iron - Orichalcum - Ebony

So basically many high lvl heavy helmet models hide your face...heavily.
Problem is that if you want to see your awesome (time well spent) face (unless you are a vampire ofc) you are forced to hide it and that does make you head look rather stupid, small and numb between those huge pauldrons :S

Alternative is using those few heavy helmet models that won't hide your face, but do they fit your style? Maybe, maybe not...
As we see from comparison above, the real difference between helmet models is the face part and some little details.

With Master Crafter -perk, we could choose model that fits perfectly our style, shows our best features (except vampires) and still doesn't mess up with immersion or "realism"

Imperial shield
Maple - Oak - Beech - Birch

Shields..well shields are shields and they come in many variety of shapes and sizes. Some low (lvl) models can be bigger and heavier than some other models at high (lvl) and vice versa ofc.

In this (Imperial) case the model goes from simple round shape to detailed tower'ish look. I see no reason why we couldn't choose between these models and craft what we want at higher lvl.

I loved the oak model for my Argonian templar - "swamp priest" look and was sad to lose it to the beech model. I just loved how it resembled a sun!
[EDIT:]One can only dream to have it back someday!

DarthVella

Sounds good! I do prefer some of the earlier staves over later ones.

MrGhosty

I agree with this idea ten fold, My main is a dedicated crafter and I'm beginning to reach the end of it being exciting. I love mixing and matching to make different sets and more options are never a bad thing, for those who just want to bet it down with you could make an option next to the "have ingredients, have skill" checkboxes to hide the model choices at which point it would default to the models it uses currently.

My other wants that fit into this vein would also be the ability to craft outfits, an appearance tab to wear two different shoulder pieces, hide shoulder pieces, or show only one shoulder piece. The second one would be a personal option and not crafter related specifically.

The outfits could even be tied to achievements and material gets (to be able to crate dunmer outfits you would need dunmer style stone, relevant materials, and an outfit material.)

indigoblades

I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA and IT would give me 7 other crafters a reason to play. Since release 1.4, i have lost most interest in ESO. Before when i was bored with the game at least crafting kept me playing. But since Release 1.4 devalued all my work leveling enchanting, i have not confidence they wont devalue other crafting work. Leveling Armor, Clothing and Woodwork was easy. Researching them was a waste of time since the 3 and 4 set match's are better than the 8 trait matchs.... Ninhorn is only for people in large guilds and too group oriented for me. The 8 traits did so little i am not even going to bother learning it till it becomes less rare.

This would be great if implemented and Be the first thing that would reward people whom leveled there crafting over 6 months. Currently for me, i have researched everything except metal weapons and a few medium armors and those will be done in a month a too just for completions sake. After that i cant imagine what keeps me playing unless they release perks like OP mentioned .... the ninth trait ninhorn, is evidence to me any future changes wont be good, but i hope they would do something like this Master crafter perk op mentions. Looks super easy to implement too, one more passive for each crafting skill, just slight changes in dialog boxes with a few more entrys & its done.

Calad

I really like your idea and I hope we will see it live some day...

I suggested something similar in the german forum, but now I think that your idea of an Master Crafter is better.

CirithValaria

@DarthVella‌
Yeah me too! I specially like early Nord (Gandalf), Khajiit (less moons), Barbaric and Primal staves...and those last two have amazing models in all early tiers which unfortunately many will miss completely.

@MrGhosty‌
Yeah I too would love to hide shoulders (like head), but there I would draw the line.
Choosing to hide only other side is brilliant idea!
There are few chests that I would love to use, but just can't find any good shoulders to match. With "Master Crafter" we would at least have more variety to choose from, and personally I find shoulders to be THE most troublesome atm...
My small sized characters won't help shoulders fit any better, they scale so poorly

@indigoblades‌
Sad to hear you've lost interest in ESO, but hopefully GU5 and the following ones will restore your faith, even if this idea is never introduced.
(thou I politely refuse to accept that it won't be, lol)
Would be sad to lose a like minded crafter!
Still glad you liked the idea and thank you for your support.
I agree with your points on crafting.

@Calad‌
Glad to hear!
Yeah I roughly translated the posts in the German thread and they too seemed rather positive towards your idea which had basic idea quite the same.
I put some "awesome" on your thread!


I was little sad that guild summit (crafting section) had no news at all for us regarding the "Master Crafter" or anything similar system, but I will not rest until we get at least a comment about it.

GoodOrc

I agree! With dose customithation will be more choise what to wear! Even now wwith all styles eweribody wear 1o 2 style, but if you coold craft 1-5lvl items whis veteran statsit be GOOD!

indigoblades

Thank you for keeping this alive. This one change would renew my interest for 6 months. This post is a little all over the place but i felt like responding.

I am still playing for two reasons, i just cant quit completely, since i can play for 10 minutes twice a day and get my hireling perks. Also i like 1.3 dyes so much i extended my sub for 6 months.... With that said, lately i am feeling like that other than dyes, i am paying $15 a month (was $45 a month but i canceled two subs) for them to make the game worse. I am still playing but i haven't level'd my main VR5 toon in 6 weeks .... i didn't like the 1.4 patch, it offered me nothing like most patches and it nerfed my char, reset all my prefs for the 4 th time in a row and was full of bugs. Before 1.4 i was learning Pvp, learning to write add-ons leveling my main char thru Caldwell's gold & starting to do group dungeons, since then i lost interest.

Nothing in 1.4 was big enough alone to bother me so much but the combination of poor changes was enough to really make me depressed about the direction of ESO.

- 9th trait a failure when it could of been so much better. This change was not really crafter based, but was made to help either people whom play the ESO rarity market or group PVE'r... the average solo craftier has no access to it.
- To date 'dyes' are the only thing added that allows one to customize ones character looks... There system has promise but there are so many ways it could be improved.... i am not going to go down that path here but just say OP's idea is great i think. His idea, plus sort of char preview and barber shop/skin change would be great.... all those changes are not hard... they have written all the background frame works in objects one would think since all those are being done now. To do them in game, they just need too make a simple UI for them to call the correct objects. Write some background lore too maybe. Yet only a barber shop in some distant future has been mentioned by zos. See my point later about free to play for why these easy things are not in the game.
- Night silence sneak speed enhancement was nerfed to a 'reduce sneak penalty' for no logical reason other than sensationalism. Also most calling for this Nerf where stating lies in forums on what it actually did, in the end the squeak'st wheel was fixed again not what made sense. Also if ZOS made statement that high sneak speeds will completely mess up the justice sys, i would understand and accept it if they warned us it was changing when justice came out. Since they didn't, i have to assume they are incompetent and ZOS can't take 3 or 4 simple speed passives and predict the stacking (simple summation taught in 3rd grade works BTW) . If they cant do that, HOW ON EARTH DO THEY HAVE A CLUE HOW THE COMPLEX STUFF STACKS. For me i cant understand understand why this bugged me so much, since i can move way faster with bolt escape/OP magicka. But it did. Maybe it is i have lost all faith ZOS will use any logic when they balance.
- i got my prefs destroyed again for the 4th time with update 4. Keyboard prefs is really an annoyance re-configuring, but i am starting to memorize a complex remapping do senseless repetition re-inputting it. Before 1.4 on PTS i posted there updates are wiping out everything, nothing has been fixed to date other than each update ZOS apologizes for destroying all our customization like it was some suprise. Anyway, To fix each char, i need to spend a tedious 30 mins at least on each char/alt. This game really should either have an option for global prefs or a way to save prefs.
- Enchanting changes made it trival to level an enchanter. My provision-er was harder to level than my enchanting is now... i just mastered my alt skills & prov took a frustrating week, ench in less than a day. Small thing but one more nerf in a game that is getting nerfed to death.
- New content is more and more large expert group PVE stuff, something that doesn't interest me ... i have nothing against that being there main focus. but it has been 95% of there focus which is too high. Solo players and PVP'rs need new material too, Nothing major, just less than 5% is too little.
- VR levels 13 and 14 are no major problem for me, i understand why it was it was done, how little impact two levels is ... but on the negative side it is two more levels i need to do & i still haven't reached the VR10 level the game was sold at. I think it bugged others more than me.
- The level of bugs in each update is just too high. Way too many of these bugs are not the type that need a large population on LIVE to show up ... they are just things ZOS ignores and fixes in live. they have internal testing, a PTS hopefully some quality control. This update was no worse than the rest but it hasn't improved either. Me if they could release half as often and reduce bugs 50% i would prefer that (but for me 90% of the updates to date are nothing that excites me), so others might want new good stuff in a trade off for a few bugs.
- Research beyond a few weeks at most is a waste of time.... Really this point has nothing to do with 1.4 other than i see no indication anything will change this. I finished what metal weapons i use (dagger) ... all staffs and all light armor was finished long ago, As i research the final items in med arm, remaining metal weapons, it becomes painfully apparent. All i needed to do was research 2 or 3 items to 5-6 traits and the rest at 2-3 traits. Three traits in everything can be done in 3 days if one plans it. So the research side of the game is huge let down to me. With research unimportant and leveling armors and wood work is trivial.... just deconstr stuff, well it makes crafting trivial. i thought when i bought this game MASTERING armors/weapons would be challenge and important, they are not. Again not a game breaker but in combo with everything else, i just have just lost interest.
- Lately i ask my self a question when i see controversy in forums .... if it is something controversial over updates or just a "would one like to see this feature", I ask my self "If ESO goes free to play is this something they can sell!!!" most of the time the answer is YES. Most of the things in 3 category's i feel they wont ever change because they know those will sell someday for cash ....these 3 categories are style-looks-customization, gold sinks & time sinks .... this depress's me.



Anyway i havent quit, I have been leveling my alts and now have mastered Prov/Alch with them. Learned some low level templer and NB skills in the process. i gave up using any stam skill with em ... just used light armor/resto and easy pezy.

Sorry this is abit long just could not stop writing, In closing ... I use Wykkyd to make outfit sets of mixed styles and half of them use a level 10 to 30 piece, so i really like your master craftier idea because currently i am using the level styles in day to day play and need to switch out if i do something challenging... to be honest nothing is challenging so i see little reason too. if raid hard dungeons i might .. on the other hand losing 3% has a less impact on my success than my skills playing well.

Any way YOUR idea is great .... it adds some customization, makes crafters feel like they accomplished something leveling the skill.
- Gives crafters a reason to excel, currently after level 40 there is nothing exciting. Also after one plays a months, they realize research is waste of time since low level matches (seducer, twilightlights embrace, ect) are very similar to higher trait sets if mixed well.
- It would give Solo/role players one more perk. Lots of folks loved skyrim/oblvion mainly because the game was so modifiable, it allowed infinite customization. ESO has a large portion of those people, which they lose every month paying subscription because they offer them so little.... They pay there fees which subsidized traditional mmo'rs. Anyway this would give more customization and make them happy much like dyes did. This helps everyone & is very easy to implement

CirithValaria

@indigoblades‌
I can see you are very frustrated at games current state and can't blame you or even wonder why. Many SO many things trouble me daily too, some more some less, but luckily the fun always wins. I still fully believe in this game and it's developers and therefore I want to help it get better, by feedback,testing, creating little "happy" stuff and sharing improvement ideas (like this one).

I won't go in every detail about your post, because so many were off-topic. I can say I feel for you and agree with most of your points and besides our little efforts making the game better it's up to devs so lets pray the dev divines!

I want to thank you for writing and supporting, hopefully you will find some things worth staying in Tamriel


Overall
I will keep this thread alive, until we at least get eso staff comment on it.
If it seems to "drown", I simply post some comparison pics to bump it

EDIT: Just a reminder for you all, another way you can request this is by using /feedback (in game). In near future I will update the OP with little something you can actually copy/paste and feedback in game.
I do this weekly myself<3

ForestGuard

Great minds think a like. ;P This definitely needs to happen. Please notice this guy, Zenimax.

indigoblades

Your post gave me some renewed interest in the game. i am just short of VR6 just by spending a 1/2 day exploring craglorn. I went there after writing that long negative post. Since ninnhorn prices dropped some, i bought 3 of 5 needed pieces & started research. I think i am wasting my money doing that coz the new 9th trait isnt really worth the effort to make 5 items. I like 1.5 ok on PTS, at least my keyboard prefs are not hosed which is good.

PTS 1.5 new stuff is OK, at least it did hurt me in any major way, & it does help WW some and Stam builds some so that is good for the game. ... As for crafting, Crafting writs are nothing great but nothing bad either & the new 9 piece is on par with other sets but not significantly better.

I wish they did your master crafter idea ...... That would really motivate me. Anyway i am gonna keep playing in hopes they listen to you.

Beega

I love this idea, it would bring a stronger customization range making armours more unique.

MrGhosty

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before, but something that occurred to me the other day could very well fit into this.

I recently found a destro staff that uses the model with the cow skull on it, this isn't craftable so I grabbed it to give my character a unique "thing" about him. How much fun could it be that by finding these random items and breaking them down we could then learn miscellaneous styles? It would be a journey to find all the pieces you wanted, but by mixing and matching you could learn a unique style that could then be made useful by applying traits and set bonuses.

Also we absolutely need weapon and shield dyes and weapon and shield naming.

Another addition I would love to see added would be "RP" items, these items could require various pre reqs but would allow a character to add items to an armor set. These could be just about anything, and would also create more items to be looted from the environment and mobs. Give all creatures a chance to drop a head, hands, hide that could be used or sold to crafters to allow them to make new sets that don't require a stock motif book to learn.
The achievement for killing specific creatures could be sweetened by unlocking additional cosmetic options.

the long and short of it is that we need more options to make our characters unique, we can't sell dyed armor so we need some unique modifiers that will give us some marketability, and a way to customize ourselves.

Enkil

MrGhosty wrote: »

I recently found a destro staff that uses the model with the cow skull on it, this isn't craftable so I grabbed it to give my character a unique "thing" about him.

What level staff is it and how do u get it? I always wanted that like the one Shalodior uses for my Nord. I wish it was one of the craft-able Nord options.

CirithValaria

@ForestGuard‌
Thank you, made me smile


@indigoblades‌
I'm glad if I could help and I want to thank you of your help too - supporting this idea and spreading it on other similar threads. Big help, thank you!


@Beega‌
Yes it surely would. Do you have any specific favorite weapon/armor models?


@MrGhosty‌
Yeah many would love that, me too!
It has been discussed on this and other threads, it surely would bring even more customization. Great idea!

Shield dyes are coming in the future (confirmed), but I fail to understand why they didn't add them in the dye system right away.


@Enkil‌
Yeah Nords have rather poor staff selection imo, and what I like best is the very first "gandalf" like staff :P

I got the "cow headed" staff from anchor general, can't remember from who tho.
Hopefully MrGhostly knows better

Beega

CirithValaria wrote: »

@Beega‌
Yes it surely would. Do you have any specific favorite weapon/armor models?

On females most of the heavy armours. But I do love the unique Craglorn sets.

Aenra

@CirithValaria great post!