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I guess I don't understand why it's bad for a class to have a particular playstyle they excel at? If you want a brawler there are multiple classes that are very good at that. The mobility-based playstyle is why you choose a sorc.

In BG's stamSorcs are by far the most annoying spec I go up against. They've been dominating for a few patches now. Uniquely capable of stacking extreme damage thanks to Dark Deal. And the second you light-attack them they streak 15 times across the map. With the stat increases last patch they're more annoying than ever.

Buffing their survivability would be silly imo. They already never die because of streak + dark deal. Give them extra healing AND let them keep streak? No thanks.

StaticWave wrote: »

For whoever said stamsorc is god tier. Here is a screenshot of a duel between me and another person. I lost to this guy on my stamsorc, so I hopped on my stamblade using the SAME gear with Balorgh, Pariah, Trickery. The opponent I fought was in 29.5k resistances. This is the damage I did to him on stamblade:



On stamsorc I hit him for a 5.3k max crit dizzy. Survivability is also better on a stamblade despite it being "squishier". What a joke lmao

PvP is not and should not be balanced around dueling. Hop into a BG and see who is getting the best results. It's stamSorcs.

I see a lot of exaggeration in your post. Streaking 15 times with my 14k mag pool? What? They already never die? You must have never fought a sweaty game with 4 people stacking DoTs then.

I play in high MMR BGs and the "dominating" stamsorcs you mentioned are in triple procsets. That isn't an indication of stamsorc's strength or weakness. You don't understand the weakness of that setup do you? The entire build frontloads damage into 1s with 3 proc sets and if you cannot kill someone you streak away with zero resources & spam dark deal. That playstyle only works on inexperienced players and unorganized groups. Any good player would simply hold block negating 80% of the combo's dmg, as I have been doing against every single stamsorc running that setup. That's not "dominating". It's smashing people who don't know how to counter it. But you can just hop on a stamcro with a simple stat build and still 1 shot most players. Why don't people talk about that?

If you played stamsorc you would understand that they cannot fit everything onto their bar right now. You are giving up damage for more survivability, or survivability for more damage. Every stamsorc should have dark deal, streak, hurricane, vigor on their bar. Now that leaves us with 6 abilities. If you use 2h/SnB, you have to slot rally and executioner, leaving 4 slots left for damage. Some people go for dizzy + camohunter + bound + crit surge. But that means they don't have access to elude, which is an amazing defensive ability, or crystal weapon, which is a very good burst, or ransack, which is a source of penetration. Transfer that to other weapon setups, and you get the idea. The point is, the current stamsorc has issues with bar space, so the proposed changes will not make the sorc "invincible". You still have to give up damage, and stamsorc damage is by no means good. I mean just look at my screenshot of my nb compared to my stamsorc in the same gear. My nb does twice the damage.

Yes obviously 15x streak is an exaggeration. My MMR is also high (typically up against top leaderboard players) but I do spend most of my playtime in the solo Q. I do premades 1-2 nights a week.

My stamsorc uses Briarheart + Sword Dancer + Torq + Master Bow. Not a cheesy proc build at all. Still, I rarely play on that char anymore because it feels quite cheesy to me. What you call a weakness I say is stamSorcs biggest strength. They can zip in, try to burst someone down, and if they take a little damage, zip wayyy away, hide in a corner, recover resources, then zip back and try again and again. Unblockable streak makes holding block difficult. And really, you could say that about countering almost any spec, right? "Just hold block!" Not really particular to stamSorcs.

On my build with Torq + Dark Deal, I don't invest into sustain at all. I just stack damage as high as I can and as long as I play smart I'm never low on resources. So giving up a couple of damage abilities is nbd to me because my WD and crit are already quite high. Giving up evasion is also nbd to me. If I'm in a premade then I'm likely getting it from a healer wearing Gossamer, and if I'm solo I don't need it.

The screenshot doesn't tell a complete story. StamBlades are certainly not out-performing stamSorcs in BG's. StamSorc is a popular spec right now for a reason.

I've killed plenty of stamsorcs in 1 shot builds that tried to stun me with streak. The problem with streak when not used correctly is it puts you out of distance of your target and wastes time. Other than that streak is pretty dumb as an ability.

When you streak away you leave your teammates to tank incoming damage and that isn't ideal in any scenario unless you have a healer. I also do openworld 2vX or 3vX with no healer, and stamsorcs using a hit and run setup is basically a watered down NB. The only useful utility they provide for a group is streak/ball of lightning, but that's it. I would rather play a warden in groups than a stamsorc.

Running a full dmg build like yours will most likely result in death. You have zero survivability other than roll spamming, which btw isn't very effective on stamsorc because you cannot reset dodge cost increase like a nb can with cloak. BG also isn't a good measure for a class' strength or weakness because they are covered by a healer or other specs in your team. Stamblades are objectively better than stamsorcs in everything but group play, and that is only due to the fact that they don't have streak. They have much better critical damage passives and can perfectly fill the roll of a bombard spammer.

"Most likely" for you maybe. I get better K/D's on my stamsorc than any other char.. so much so that I don't even enjoy playing it anymore because it feels cheesy. I have mained this char at various points in the past and have a good understanding of the class. BG's are the clearest way to see a spec's performance.. and in the solo Q there are all kinds of group comps and a healer is not guaranteed. What evidence is better than just seeing the scoreboard at the end of a BG? Stamblade is superior if you say so, but that's a hard pill to swallow when you see stamsorcs out-perform stamblades again and again and again in BG's. Of course, I do almost nothing but BG's so that is my bias. And I do not think every spec should be equally matched 1v1.

You are using BGs as the sole basis to claim that stamsorc is "cheesy". BG is not the only place to form an opinion on a class's strength and weakness. It's part of it, but not the whole picture. Your build will get shredded in Cyrodiil where fights happen on a larger scale and damage is exponentially more. In a 1v1, your build will also get hard countered by experienced players who know how to deal with a stamsorc. You simply do not have the survivability, period. So no, "most likely" here applies to you and everyone who thinks about trying this playstyle.

Back to your point, BG is also not a good place to form an opinion on stamsorc because you are doing a 4v4v4, with dedicated healers and other DPS that cover your weaknesses. I don't really care what K/D you have. It doesn't prove anything in the grand scheme of things because in an actual sweaty BG, the weakest team will usually get farmed by the other 2 stronger ones. You landing more K/D doesn't mean anything. Even in a solo Q match, you will most likely run into less experienced players, and killing them also give a high K/D, which every class can do. Try stamsorc in 1v1, smallscale, 1vX, GvG, then you'll see why stamsorc is weak.

Stamblade is objectively superior just by looking at their class kit. They have more damage passives, a cheap class ultimate that amplifies damage, the 2nd strongest spammable in the game that applies minor breach + off balance + stuns, class major breach, 2 HoTs that are easy to proc, and Major Resolve that can be procced off doing damage or using a Shadow ability. These stacked passives and dmg amplifiers literally allow them to build full tank and can still out damage a stamsorc in full dmg gear, while being MUCH tankier. If they go full damage, then they simply outclass stamsorc in every way. This is tested countless times by stamblade and stamsorc mains and I can always post screenshots to prove this. In a real fight, shade + cloak is much better at shaking off enemies in pursuit than streak, because you literally disappear from the screen. Why do you think so many people play stamblade?

For me it is the only place to form an opinion because that's the only mode of PVP I engage in. Buffing stamSorcs survivability will make them even more annoying in BG's. Their survivability is already excellent. You have one GCD to try and burst a sorc down before they're out of range and resources restored.

Interesting that stamblade is objectively better based on their toolkit, yet they don't hold a candle to stamSorcs in BG's. If they were objectively superior then I would expect them to outperform stamSorcs in ALL PvP modes. But they don't. 1v1 and solo open world is where stamblades excel, which seems right to me. Stamsorcs are superior in other scenarios (small+large scale groups). Not all specs need to be equally matched in all scenarios.

I don't do much Cyro but I've seen plenty of Fengrush streams where he is having great success using a glass cannon build in large-scale fights. He doesn't get shredded because he just STREAKS AWAY as soon as someone light attacks him. And if you want to talk about the group support you get in a BG.. that's nothing compared to the support that's present in large scale cyro fights.

When I stop seeing stamSorcs at the top of almost every BG then maybe I'll jump on the "buff sorc" train. I did some duo BG's just last night and that experience only reinforced my opinion that stamSorcs are juuuust fine. These were very high MMR matches with several names I'm sure you'd recognize.

Ok so you only engage in 1 PvP mode yet you are speaking about stamsorc as if you know everything about it... lol. Like I said, you should try all other PvP modes and not just look at someone doing it and assuming it works. Just because someone makes it work doesn't mean it is good. It just means that player is good.

I'm speaking on behalf of the game mode I engage in. I don't need to know all about the dynamics of Cyro to know how buffing stamsorc would affect BG's.

Okay so you would know that DoTs screw over stamsorcs and before this patch you could somewhat counter it by building HP regen, but not anymore. So every premade wears 3-4 DoT procs and stack multiple DoTs, making your streak literally useless. Meanwhile templar, warden, necro can purge or heal thru it, NB can cloak it, which means dk and sorc get screwed over by the DoTs. So now the only way to survive is to play a one shot build then run away leaving your team to 3v4 the other. Do you see the problem here?

I don't see the problem when despite all of that stamSorc still gets exceptional results (especially compared to NB) and they are very popular.. too popular imo. You don't have to run away from your team. It's easy to kite and still be in the mix. The sorcs that abandon their team do it because they can, not because they have to. NB's are the worst about that tho. I honestly have not found dots to be an issue in BGs.

I have 13 characters. Most with maxed MMR. I play with all of them regularly. Stamsorc is one of the easiest-to-play specs on my roster. If I'm looking for a confidence boost, I jump on my stamSorc because I know it'll be a breeze and I'll get tons of kills and probably 0 deaths. I'd buff DK's, NB's and Templars long before a stam or magsorc.

Sigh.. They get exceptional results with proc sets. If you don't find DoTs an issue then I highly doubt we are playing the same game, sorry.

HankTwo wrote: »

I'm very wary of people that appear to only play one class, or at least have a very strong focus on their main and never switch it, in any class balance discussions. There is simply no way to not be biased, and from what I've seen, the OP seems to only ever post buff threads on the forum and gameplay videos on youtube about stamsorc, never another class. This doesn't automatically mean all arguments are invalid, but it shows that there is an agenda - even if only subconsciously - towards one class and not general class balance.

For example, the OP gave people the valid advice that they should play stamsorcs for themselves to see how strong the class is:

StaticWave wrote: »

I encourage people to play stamsorc for at least 3 months in all aspects of PvP (1v1, 1vX, smallscale, GvG) and try multiple playstyles (1-shot, roller sorc, brawler sorc, support/disruptor sorc, etc.) to fully grasp the strengths and weaknesses of this class. Not to undermine anyone, but I think saying that you “see stamsorcs getting top kills in BGs” or how “god tier and overpowered” they are without providing any reasonable evidence just shows a lack of experience for this class.

But at the same time he talkes about how stamblades are stronger just by 'looking at their class kit', a big contradiction imo:

StaticWave wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

I guess I don't understand why it's bad for a class to have a particular playstyle they excel at? If you want a brawler there are multiple classes that are very good at that. The mobility-based playstyle is why you choose a sorc.

In BG's stamSorcs are by far the most annoying spec I go up against. They've been dominating for a few patches now. Uniquely capable of stacking extreme damage thanks to Dark Deal. And the second you light-attack them they streak 15 times across the map. With the stat increases last patch they're more annoying than ever.

Buffing their survivability would be silly imo. They already never die because of streak + dark deal. Give them extra healing AND let them keep streak? No thanks.

StaticWave wrote: »

For whoever said stamsorc is god tier. Here is a screenshot of a duel between me and another person. I lost to this guy on my stamsorc, so I hopped on my stamblade using the SAME gear with Balorgh, Pariah, Trickery. The opponent I fought was in 29.5k resistances. This is the damage I did to him on stamblade:



On stamsorc I hit him for a 5.3k max crit dizzy. Survivability is also better on a stamblade despite it being "squishier". What a joke lmao

PvP is not and should not be balanced around dueling. Hop into a BG and see who is getting the best results. It's stamSorcs.

I see a lot of exaggeration in your post. Streaking 15 times with my 14k mag pool? What? They already never die? You must have never fought a sweaty game with 4 people stacking DoTs then.

I play in high MMR BGs and the "dominating" stamsorcs you mentioned are in triple procsets. That isn't an indication of stamsorc's strength or weakness. You don't understand the weakness of that setup do you? The entire build frontloads damage into 1s with 3 proc sets and if you cannot kill someone you streak away with zero resources & spam dark deal. That playstyle only works on inexperienced players and unorganized groups. Any good player would simply hold block negating 80% of the combo's dmg, as I have been doing against every single stamsorc running that setup. That's not "dominating". It's smashing people who don't know how to counter it. But you can just hop on a stamcro with a simple stat build and still 1 shot most players. Why don't people talk about that?

If you played stamsorc you would understand that they cannot fit everything onto their bar right now. You are giving up damage for more survivability, or survivability for more damage. Every stamsorc should have dark deal, streak, hurricane, vigor on their bar. Now that leaves us with 6 abilities. If you use 2h/SnB, you have to slot rally and executioner, leaving 4 slots left for damage. Some people go for dizzy + camohunter + bound + crit surge. But that means they don't have access to elude, which is an amazing defensive ability, or crystal weapon, which is a very good burst, or ransack, which is a source of penetration. Transfer that to other weapon setups, and you get the idea. The point is, the current stamsorc has issues with bar space, so the proposed changes will not make the sorc "invincible". You still have to give up damage, and stamsorc damage is by no means good. I mean just look at my screenshot of my nb compared to my stamsorc in the same gear. My nb does twice the damage.

Yes obviously 15x streak is an exaggeration. My MMR is also high (typically up against top leaderboard players) but I do spend most of my playtime in the solo Q. I do premades 1-2 nights a week.

My stamsorc uses Briarheart + Sword Dancer + Torq + Master Bow. Not a cheesy proc build at all. Still, I rarely play on that char anymore because it feels quite cheesy to me. What you call a weakness I say is stamSorcs biggest strength. They can zip in, try to burst someone down, and if they take a little damage, zip wayyy away, hide in a corner, recover resources, then zip back and try again and again. Unblockable streak makes holding block difficult. And really, you could say that about countering almost any spec, right? "Just hold block!" Not really particular to stamSorcs.

On my build with Torq + Dark Deal, I don't invest into sustain at all. I just stack damage as high as I can and as long as I play smart I'm never low on resources. So giving up a couple of damage abilities is nbd to me because my WD and crit are already quite high. Giving up evasion is also nbd to me. If I'm in a premade then I'm likely getting it from a healer wearing Gossamer, and if I'm solo I don't need it.

The screenshot doesn't tell a complete story. StamBlades are certainly not out-performing stamSorcs in BG's. StamSorc is a popular spec right now for a reason.

I've killed plenty of stamsorcs in 1 shot builds that tried to stun me with streak. The problem with streak when not used correctly is it puts you out of distance of your target and wastes time. Other than that streak is pretty dumb as an ability.

When you streak away you leave your teammates to tank incoming damage and that isn't ideal in any scenario unless you have a healer. I also do openworld 2vX or 3vX with no healer, and stamsorcs using a hit and run setup is basically a watered down NB. The only useful utility they provide for a group is streak/ball of lightning, but that's it. I would rather play a warden in groups than a stamsorc.

Running a full dmg build like yours will most likely result in death. You have zero survivability other than roll spamming, which btw isn't very effective on stamsorc because you cannot reset dodge cost increase like a nb can with cloak. BG also isn't a good measure for a class' strength or weakness because they are covered by a healer or other specs in your team. Stamblades are objectively better than stamsorcs in everything but group play, and that is only due to the fact that they don't have streak. They have much better critical damage passives and can perfectly fill the roll of a bombard spammer.

"Most likely" for you maybe. I get better K/D's on my stamsorc than any other char.. so much so that I don't even enjoy playing it anymore because it feels cheesy. I have mained this char at various points in the past and have a good understanding of the class. BG's are the clearest way to see a spec's performance.. and in the solo Q there are all kinds of group comps and a healer is not guaranteed. What evidence is better than just seeing the scoreboard at the end of a BG? Stamblade is superior if you say so, but that's a hard pill to swallow when you see stamsorcs out-perform stamblades again and again and again in BG's. Of course, I do almost nothing but BG's so that is my bias. And I do not think every spec should be equally matched 1v1.

Stamblade is objectively superior just by looking at their class kit.

So I'm wondering, @StaticWave , have you followed your own advice and actually played stamblade for 'at least 3 months in all aspects of PvP (1v1, 1vX, smallscale, GvG) and tried multiple playstyles (1-shot, roller NB, brawler NB, disruptor NB, etc.) to fully grasp the strengths and weaknesses of this class' in recent patches?

The one thing I can say from my own point of view (because the only sorc I actively played myself was hybrid), is that stamsorc seems to be the current flavour of the month on PC EU, I duelled both strong stamsorcs and stamblades recently and they were pretty comparable in power, and a friend of mine who is a stamden main made a new stamsorc build for this patch (he played the class before tho) and said he thinks its strong as well.

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Personally I am still baffled by Zos not changing the daedric protection passive to always apply instead of needing an ability slotted. Nightblades get 15% for 3 kinds of regen for not slotting anything so why do 20% for 2 kinds of regen need an ability slotted??? Would atleast be nice qol for bar space....

StaticWave wrote: »

HankTwo wrote: »

I'm very wary of people that appear to only play one class, or at least have a very strong focus on their main and never switch it, in any class balance discussions. There is simply no way to not be biased, and from what I've seen, the OP seems to only ever post buff threads on the forum and gameplay videos on youtube about stamsorc, never another class. This doesn't automatically mean all arguments are invalid, but it shows that there is an agenda - even if only subconsciously - towards one class and not general class balance.

For example, the OP gave people the valid advice that they should play stamsorcs for themselves to see how strong the class is:

StaticWave wrote: »

I encourage people to play stamsorc for at least 3 months in all aspects of PvP (1v1, 1vX, smallscale, GvG) and try multiple playstyles (1-shot, roller sorc, brawler sorc, support/disruptor sorc, etc.) to fully grasp the strengths and weaknesses of this class. Not to undermine anyone, but I think saying that you “see stamsorcs getting top kills in BGs” or how “god tier and overpowered” they are without providing any reasonable evidence just shows a lack of experience for this class.

But at the same time he talkes about how stamblades are stronger just by 'looking at their class kit', a big contradiction imo:

StaticWave wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

ketsparrowhawk wrote: »

I guess I don't understand why it's bad for a class to have a particular playstyle they excel at? If you want a brawler there are multiple classes that are very good at that. The mobility-based playstyle is why you choose a sorc.

In BG's stamSorcs are by far the most annoying spec I go up against. They've been dominating for a few patches now. Uniquely capable of stacking extreme damage thanks to Dark Deal. And the second you light-attack them they streak 15 times across the map. With the stat increases last patch they're more annoying than ever.

Buffing their survivability would be silly imo. They already never die because of streak + dark deal. Give them extra healing AND let them keep streak? No thanks.

StaticWave wrote: »

For whoever said stamsorc is god tier. Here is a screenshot of a duel between me and another person. I lost to this guy on my stamsorc, so I hopped on my stamblade using the SAME gear with Balorgh, Pariah, Trickery. The opponent I fought was in 29.5k resistances. This is the damage I did to him on stamblade:



On stamsorc I hit him for a 5.3k max crit dizzy. Survivability is also better on a stamblade despite it being "squishier". What a joke lmao

PvP is not and should not be balanced around dueling. Hop into a BG and see who is getting the best results. It's stamSorcs.

I see a lot of exaggeration in your post. Streaking 15 times with my 14k mag pool? What? They already never die? You must have never fought a sweaty game with 4 people stacking DoTs then.

I play in high MMR BGs and the "dominating" stamsorcs you mentioned are in triple procsets. That isn't an indication of stamsorc's strength or weakness. You don't understand the weakness of that setup do you? The entire build frontloads damage into 1s with 3 proc sets and if you cannot kill someone you streak away with zero resources & spam dark deal. That playstyle only works on inexperienced players and unorganized groups. Any good player would simply hold block negating 80% of the combo's dmg, as I have been doing against every single stamsorc running that setup. That's not "dominating". It's smashing people who don't know how to counter it. But you can just hop on a stamcro with a simple stat build and still 1 shot most players. Why don't people talk about that?

If you played stamsorc you would understand that they cannot fit everything onto their bar right now. You are giving up damage for more survivability, or survivability for more damage. Every stamsorc should have dark deal, streak, hurricane, vigor on their bar. Now that leaves us with 6 abilities. If you use 2h/SnB, you have to slot rally and executioner, leaving 4 slots left for damage. Some people go for dizzy + camohunter + bound + crit surge. But that means they don't have access to elude, which is an amazing defensive ability, or crystal weapon, which is a very good burst, or ransack, which is a source of penetration. Transfer that to other weapon setups, and you get the idea. The point is, the current stamsorc has issues with bar space, so the proposed changes will not make the sorc "invincible". You still have to give up damage, and stamsorc damage is by no means good. I mean just look at my screenshot of my nb compared to my stamsorc in the same gear. My nb does twice the damage.

Yes obviously 15x streak is an exaggeration. My MMR is also high (typically up against top leaderboard players) but I do spend most of my playtime in the solo Q. I do premades 1-2 nights a week.

My stamsorc uses Briarheart + Sword Dancer + Torq + Master Bow. Not a cheesy proc build at all. Still, I rarely play on that char anymore because it feels quite cheesy to me. What you call a weakness I say is stamSorcs biggest strength. They can zip in, try to burst someone down, and if they take a little damage, zip wayyy away, hide in a corner, recover resources, then zip back and try again and again. Unblockable streak makes holding block difficult. And really, you could say that about countering almost any spec, right? "Just hold block!" Not really particular to stamSorcs.

On my build with Torq + Dark Deal, I don't invest into sustain at all. I just stack damage as high as I can and as long as I play smart I'm never low on resources. So giving up a couple of damage abilities is nbd to me because my WD and crit are already quite high. Giving up evasion is also nbd to me. If I'm in a premade then I'm likely getting it from a healer wearing Gossamer, and if I'm solo I don't need it.

The screenshot doesn't tell a complete story. StamBlades are certainly not out-performing stamSorcs in BG's. StamSorc is a popular spec right now for a reason.

I've killed plenty of stamsorcs in 1 shot builds that tried to stun me with streak. The problem with streak when not used correctly is it puts you out of distance of your target and wastes time. Other than that streak is pretty dumb as an ability.

When you streak away you leave your teammates to tank incoming damage and that isn't ideal in any scenario unless you have a healer. I also do openworld 2vX or 3vX with no healer, and stamsorcs using a hit and run setup is basically a watered down NB. The only useful utility they provide for a group is streak/ball of lightning, but that's it. I would rather play a warden in groups than a stamsorc.

Running a full dmg build like yours will most likely result in death. You have zero survivability other than roll spamming, which btw isn't very effective on stamsorc because you cannot reset dodge cost increase like a nb can with cloak. BG also isn't a good measure for a class' strength or weakness because they are covered by a healer or other specs in your team. Stamblades are objectively better than stamsorcs in everything but group play, and that is only due to the fact that they don't have streak. They have much better critical damage passives and can perfectly fill the roll of a bombard spammer.

"Most likely" for you maybe. I get better K/D's on my stamsorc than any other char.. so much so that I don't even enjoy playing it anymore because it feels cheesy. I have mained this char at various points in the past and have a good understanding of the class. BG's are the clearest way to see a spec's performance.. and in the solo Q there are all kinds of group comps and a healer is not guaranteed. What evidence is better than just seeing the scoreboard at the end of a BG? Stamblade is superior if you say so, but that's a hard pill to swallow when you see stamsorcs out-perform stamblades again and again and again in BG's. Of course, I do almost nothing but BG's so that is my bias. And I do not think every spec should be equally matched 1v1.

Stamblade is objectively superior just by looking at their class kit.

So I'm wondering, @StaticWave , have you followed your own advice and actually played stamblade for 'at least 3 months in all aspects of PvP (1v1, 1vX, smallscale, GvG) and tried multiple playstyles (1-shot, roller NB, brawler NB, disruptor NB, etc.) to fully grasp the strengths and weaknesses of this class' in recent patches?

The one thing I can say from my own point of view (because the only sorc I actively played myself was hybrid), is that stamsorc seems to be the current flavour of the month on PC EU, I duelled both strong stamsorcs and stamblades recently and they were pretty comparable in power, and a friend of mine who is a stamden main made a new stamsorc build for this patch (he played the class before tho) and said he thinks its strong as well.

Also since you claimed that I only ever seem to post buff threads, here is a thread I made asking for BoL nerf:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/562927/ball-of-lightning-morph-needs-to-be-adjusted#latest

The other threads I asked for were mainly Bound Armaments rework:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512264/please-improve-bound-armaments-for-pvp#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/518721/why-remove-light-attack-buff-from-ba-instead-of-changing-it-to-heavy-attack-pvp#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/502358/bound-armaments-in-need-of-fine-tuning-in-pvp#latest

And also a thread asking for a physical morph of overload:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/436213/overload-needs-a-physical-damage-morph-for-stamsorcs#latest

All of these are suggested by multiple stamsorc mains whom I've asked for an opinion before making this thread. So tell me how I'm only asking for buffs?

universal_wrath wrote: »

Stamblade vs stamsorc:
4- surprise attack is better utility and spammable than crystal weapon. Most player don't even use crystal weapon as spammable but delayed burst, meaning you are either using flurry or dizzy. You cannot use amy other weapons unlike stamblade.

IAmIcehouse wrote: »

Class weaknesses are healthy for balance. Stamden/stamcro are the jack-of-all-trade specs and for that, they are the most complained about specs.

Weakness in specs makes it more fun to fight. If every class plays the same, then every class you fight feels the same.

Double barred pets is pretty annoying, and would be great of those changed. But if the pets didn't need to be double barred, they'd absolutely need to be nerfed. The Clannfear of Shame has higher scaling than pre-nerf Arctic blast (35% of max hp compared to artic's 25%) and Matriarch is up there as the strongest mag scaling burst heal in the game.