Overload needs a physical damage morph for stamsorcs

StaticWave

Overload lost its third bar in exchange for a weavable, off the GCD ultimate that can be used in conjunction with other skills and ultimate. Stamsorc may have lost its utility bar, but it's not the end of the world. As I've said in this post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/435940/the-state-of-stamsorc-next-patch#latest , stamsorcs are in dire need of a unique offensive class skill, since it has no real identity. The new overload is very promising, because it can potentially solve 2 of stamsorcs' biggest problems:

1/ The lack of extra offensive capability.
2/ The lack of offensive identity.

As demonstrated in this video, https://drive.google.com/open?id=1SfTnF89rVmRiCS-U6Ir-hRQ9jBpfd17W , the new overload weaves perfectly with other skills. But since it is a magicka morph, the skill does not benefit from CP. On behalf of many stamsorc mains, I would like ZoS to at least consider making one morph of overload deal physical damage. It would be the best change ZoS could ever make to this class.

BaylorCorvette

This is VERY important for ZoS to listen, comprehend and seriously consider. Like StaticWave, the StamSorc is my main character that I play and I have been PvPing & PvEing for the past two years on this character. The class identity of StamSorc has been mobility and utility via third Overload bar. With Swift Jewelry the mobility aspect is very limited (no point in even running Streak on a StamSorc due to issues streaking on elevation changes). Furthermore the third bar via Overload is being eliminated in this PTS cycle and as a result the main identity of StamSorc is being all but eliminated.

The lack of stamina morphs for damage skills or ults has always been a problem for StamSorc and I believe with the current change to Overload, this is the perfect time to make a change to one of the Overload morphs to be physical damage. As it sits right now there is no good Sorc Ult (Negate is great but only in group situations) for a StamSorc. As @StaticWave has demonstrated in the video, Overload weaves really well but would be extremely beneficial to have a physical damage morph. This would really bring StamSorc to StamWarden levels of burst damage.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel @zos_brianwheeler

Starlock

The change that probably makes me most unhappy and nervous is the change to overload and the removal of the heavy hitting light attacks. Since it's unlikely they're going to reverse that, the least they could do is make one of the morphs do physical damage. However, to do it well I would like a re-tune of the visuals - make it to be pummeling gusts of wind so it fits in with the hurricane theme and makes some logical sense.

del9

I second this. This could be your opportunity to give stam sorc real class identity!

Edit: I think Stam Sorc's identity is most tied to Dark Deal, so currently on live it needs this if you are to keep the DD change and the 3rd bar change.

BaylorCorvette

Starlock wrote: »

The change that probably makes me most unhappy and nervous is the change to overload and the removal of the heavy hitting light attacks. Since it's unlikely they're going to reverse that, the least they could do is make one of the morphs do physical damage. However, to do it well I would like a re-tune of the visuals - make it to be pummeling gusts of wind so it fits in with the hurricane theme and makes some logical sense.

At this point I couldn't care less about visuals. I just want my StamSorc to feel unique. But yes in a perfect world a visual would match the skill.

del9 wrote: »

I second this. This could be your opportunity to give stam sorc real class identity!

Edit: I think Stam Sorc's identity is most tied to Dark Deal, so currently on live it needs this if you are to keep the DD change and the 3rd bar change.

On live it is Dark Deal and Overload 3rd Bar. However on PTS OL 3rd bar is being eliminated so yeah basically just DD and low proc chance of Implosion.

Cres

This sounds like a great idea to be considered and would give StamSorc an identity that could fit into group and solo PVP play.

Lord_Sando

I agree this give stam sorc a physical morph of the over load we are forced to use now or give us a stam morph of mages fury.

Aznox

Nothing more to say, give us that morph please

TBois

We need at least one ultimate that scales with our CP. This seems like the easiest to change and the most unique/class defining

Reverb

I would support that.

LeifErickson

Obvious change ZOS. Do this.

Drakkdjinn

+1 Agree, but even more than that:

Swift needs adjusting, this will bring class identities closer in line & remove whatever the modest edge stam has on non-swift magicka classes in open-world across all classes/playstyles; speaking to storc directly; its main differentiator was historically speed & now everyone moves at storc speeds without any consideration of balance. There's simply no reason NOT to run swift on any PvP build now, and that means more reasons NOT to roll a storc. Pretty much gave the secret sauce to everyone at low opportunity cost vs. storc.

Beardimus

Makes sense, with the way OL is changing why not. It's use is changed totally anyway and energy overload went away when Ultimate went from 1000-500 pretty much.

Personally id prefer to keep the 3rd bar gig for utility, i think sorc need more changes to lose that but we'll see.

Aliyavana

Stam sorcs lack class defining abilities. I agree

Aliyavana

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Wrobel @zos_brianwheeler

WhipSmartMcoy

Replace the blast of lightning with blast of air. If boundless Strom has a wind based (physical damage) opposite morph, why not EO?
Agreed

nemvar

Nah, just give hurricane a cast time. That's the solution for everything.

TBois

nemvar wrote: »

Nah, just give hurricane a cast time. That's the solution for everything.

And a 30sec cooldown, since we are going to most other mmo's style combat

BlackLabel

I agree with this post. If the won’t revise dizzy swing the least they could do is capitalize on this change and give a Stam Sorc somewhat of a class spammable. However it still requires us to build up a lot of ulti before going on the offensive so it is somewhat balanced.

Chilly-McFreeze

Great idea. I really like it.

Drakkdjinn wrote: »

+1 Agree, but even more than that:

Swift needs adjusting, this will bring class identities closer in line & remove whatever the modest edge stam has on non-swift magicka classes in open-world across all classes/playstyles; speaking to storc directly; its main differentiator was historically speed & now everyone moves at storc speeds without any consideration of balance. There's simply no reason NOT to run swift on any PvP build now, and that means more reasons NOT to roll a storc. Pretty much gave the secret sauce to everyone at low opportunity cost vs. storc.

This as well. Minor expedition and streak set sS apart from the "immobile" rest, now it's gone. Gone like the utility bar and gone like the burst resource return. Something's gotta give.

TheKingofSass

I too think this is a great idea, zos needs to make this happens, fo real. Just rolled a stamsorc and I am loving it but yeah it def lacks class identity tbh.

Qbiken

Can we have an air atronach while we're at it?

starkerealm

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty. You also wouldn't deal additional damage with a Dunmer or Altmer stamsorc (if you wanted to play one for some reason.)

Chilly-McFreeze

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty. You also wouldn't deal additional damage with a Dunmer or Altmer stamsorc (if you wanted to play one for some reason.)

I play a dunmer sS, because I'm a lazy prick and neither wanted to relevel a stamsorc with fitting race nor did I wanted to spend crowns for race changing. But there is literally no reason for the second pool since your mag pool will always be smaller as a stamsorc, so no reason to worry about a few % magicka racial.

BaylorCorvette

starkerealm wrote: »

It'd be nice, or having some of the magicka focused elements designed to scale off the larger of Magicka or Stamina and either Physical or Lightning, sort of like some of the Sorc Passives already do.

That would be nice to see more skills like that, similar to how Implosion is. Have it scale of your max resource, it's probably the easiest way to address StamSorc without "hurting" magSorc.

starkerealm wrote: »

That said, as an ultimate, the only real advantage of having it do physical damage would be that it would scale with Mighty.

Also the physical penetration of it.

Bevik

Actually this whole morph this morph that should be extended. Needs like 4 morphs 2 magicka, 2 stamina. 1 offensive 1 defensive so like this you can create a tank, a healer, a dps or a mix from any kind of class basically.

BaylorCorvette

I don't know if that is something that will ever happen. But making Sorc Ults usable for a StamSorc should be a totally reasonable request.

Imperial_Voice

Aliyavana wrote: »

Stam sorcs lack class defining abilities. I agree

Stamsorcs have Hurricane. Thats uh...that's about it.

Sevn

YES! I fully support this idea. Also dark deal should be an instant cast, especially if they are going to drop the amount of resources replenished and worse make those replenished over time.

xxthir13enxx

They should just remove StamSorcs...
I mean, seriously, who ever hear of a Sorcerer not using magic....


lol

TBois

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

They should just remove StamSorcs...
I mean, seriously, who ever hear of a Sorcerer not using magic....


lol

Yawn... is that troll attempt from 2014?