ZoS, we are NOT with you!
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Lexynide✭✭✭✭You people have no damn idea what you're saying. The biggest MMORPG on the market also charges real money for all these things, but it also has a monthly mandatory subscription fee. You should be a lot more grateful, yet you complain instead. Do a little bit of research before you talk.
If you're referring to WoW, then I don't believe WoW is doing this:- Constantly crashing for mysterious reasons.
- Lagging on PC worse than GTA 4 back in those days.
- Promising players to follow lore and do everything with care and instead roll out bootleg CROWN ONLY "Barber Shop"
- Speaking of Barber Shop, in that game you can change haircut for in-game gold.
- Rolling out two new dungeons for 20$
- Having GMs as non-existent absent spices that few people seen somewhere in Dawn Era and never again since then.
- Having PvP consisting of literally two tactics: either zergballing or screwing up those who zergball.
- Asking 10$ for old haircuts.
- Failing to deliver most of their promises.
- Ignoring game breaking bugs for months.
- Ignoring fact that people adopt engine flaws as part of combat tactics.
- Ignoring any complaints about anything that casuals don't care about.
- Having literally ZERO events ever.
- Lacking anything to do except suffering through Loading Screens in Cyrodiil and grinding bosses in PvE in hopes to get RNG monster set.
- Speaking of doing PvE, in that game you have steady progress towards getting something as you simply collect special tokens for that dungeon instead of doing same dungeon for billion times cause every time game drops you a monster gear piece that you already have and can't sell or trade.
- Not being able to earn most of the mounts for doing special quests or achievements and not sending people to shop for everything.
- Not having various in-game events related to summer time, Easter, winter time and so on. (Quick Note: I don't ask for events that are strictly ripping off IRL. TES universe got plenty of them: Fire Festival, New Life Festival, Heart's Day, First and Second Planting and so on. With all that said ESO has none of TES universe holidays).
- Having to load every single zone instead of having one big, almost seamless world.
- Feeding people with stories how everything is going to be awesome and yet failing to deliver it in time, and later rolling out a bootleg resemblance of what used to be their awesome idea they've been talking on live.
- Lying to people like "We increase level cap to 100 but we're also gonna nerf everyone down so they'll feel like level 75"
- Moderating forums with more attention than actually fixing game, lest people get nervous. Problem will go away if you suppress it long enough, riiight?
Oh and in that game you can buy yourself a subscription for in-game gold instead of real money.
I hope you have something to respond with. You did good research after all since you're all that loud, right?
1. I imagine you were not at the launch of any new expansion or patch.
2. See #1.
3. They made lore into a mess with alternate universes and only one Burning Legion (primary antagonist organization) and instead of fixing those during the expansion they added a whole patch revolving around Twitter integration to the game and an in game selfie camera.
4. Yes. But the game has a monthly mandatory subscription. You also have to pay real life money for other appearance changes.
5. No, instead they roll out 6 dungeons and 2 raids for 60$ after 14 months of literally zero content.
6. Blizzard has good customer service, yes. I haven't had any problems with ZOS customer service either though.
7. Yes, TESO PvP is very lacking, especially the lack of dueling.
8. See #4.
9. Path of the Titans, Dance Studio, Karabor and Bladespire as capitals, Fields of Farahlon, Thal'Dranath...
10. The fact that they take 14 months to add a new patch means more often than not all the present bugs take 14 months to get fixed.
11. WoW has its counterparts to this, for example kick (interrupt) botting. Also there's an animation cancelling trick with the upcoming Demon Hunter class that is still present in the beta.
12. Blizzard has often left threads with 500 posts (which is as many posts a thread can get in WoW forums) unanswered.
13. Have I mentioned they often take 14 months to add any new content to the game and that most players run out of anything to do within the first month of that period?
14. Having 14 months of literally no new content means you do the same PvE raid over and over and over... and over... and over again. Also, the latest TESO patch added the ability to trade the dungeon drops to players who were present for the kill.
15. True, but that game has a mandatory monthly fee and a cash shop in which unique mounts are sold in addition to that, with no other way to get those mounts.
16. When WoW first came out, the annual events were not in the game. They were added later on. Who is to say TESO will not get similar annual events later on?
17. Yes, but a zone in WoW has much, much less detail in comparison to a zone in TESO.
18. See #9.
19. They implemented a stat squish to the game at the start of last expansion which made a lot of players feel like their characters were much weaker.
20. See #12. Also, Blizzard employees only seem to truly pay attention to the USA forums of their game, whereas many threads in the singular TESO forums often get responses.
My original point stands. You people have no idea what you are talking about. You really should tone down the cynicism.
1. Oh so how long does the launch phase lasts? 1 month after launch? 2? 6? Forever?
2. See #1.
3. Original point was about implementing Barber Shop without slamming players with that paywall of immersion. And you shouldn't talk about actual game lore, since ESO as well is screwing up here a lot of things which I'm not going to bother listing here. Both MMOs suffer from screwing up original universe.
4. Does not excuse ZOS at all. It is not like I'm asking for new non-standard haircuts to be free. Just let us change vanilla ones without charging real money.
5. And also new lands, new mechanics, new things to do, and previous patch becomes base game so the new people won't have to buy all the expansions starting from Burning Crusade.
6. Just because you never used it doesn't mean you can say it's good. I recently had an experience of several attempts asking for a simple thing which took me months of waiting and trying again.
7. Yep that.
8. See #4.
9. Nowhere near saying "Guys we finally fixed the lag!" when it's still out there. Nowhere near teasing us with Spellcrafting numerous times and then forgetting it forever just because the guy who was working on it quit. Nowhere near totally failed idea of cross-alliance PvE experience in IC.
10. I really doubt they let gap closers to be present in game for all 14 months. In beta, in release, and even in next patch. And it is really more excusable for WoW to fix bugs for longer time since their engine is quite old and they can run into many problems related to its architecture and subsystems.
11. "Beta" is the keyword here.
12. Not as often as ZOS here preferring actively talking about what they love to do in their spare time to bugs that don't concern Crown Store or casuals.
13. There are things to do there aside PvE/PvP content. Getting rare unique items, events, managing garrison and other.
14. Right, you're forgetting only one thing - that trading ability does not count for monster set items, rendering it a pointless ability for 90% of time.
15. You're saying it as if this game isn't the case. But now compare amount of mounts you can buy here and there. And people with ESO+ don't get mounts for free either, so your argument isn't really valid here again. Oh and in WoW you can get a lot of cool mounts just by doing achievements, while in ESO best thing you can hope for is a title.
16. No one saying that of course, though I don't hear any ETA on it, and judging from how busy developers are with delivering us a new horse reskin every week I'm losing faith in that.
17. ESO lands are condensed and nowhere as big. If you take a huge zone in WoW and compress it you'll get approximately same thing. The difference isn't that big, but in WoW you get at least fancy lands and fancy views without loading between various zones.
18. See #9.
19. Did they say "Hey guys in next updates we get you more powerful!" and then added that thing without mentioning it ever for players to discover on their own?
20. I did not say that moderating is bad. I say that ZOS is often busy suppressing negativity in forums instead of fixing the reason people are negative.
I perfectly know what I'm talking about, and what I also know is where the line between nitpicking and real disadvantage.
But laying excess negativity aside I'll say just this:
When there are too many bad things in the game they start to multiply each other. I think you'll easily agree that WoW is failing not as much as ESO does, meaning that fails in ESO amplify overall negative feeling about game more than it happens in WoW, which results in people noticing more fails in ESO than in WoW. And those failures annoy players more when there's a lot of them.
Therefore ZOS' primary task should be on eliminating most annoying bugs. No amount of bootleg Breton Hero Suits or more ways to waste your money on questionable Crown Store items are going to make people feel better. It's like trying to add more sugar to a stew that got overcooked and oversalted.4 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.
Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?
If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.
The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?
Welcome to to the world of commerce!
You're not being screwed out of anything.
And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?
ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.
Good luck with that.
Not that you are wrong. But I would point out we had a small army of post with a very similar statement going on about how well the game was doing and it would never drop the subscription only model since the devs had said they never would...
To sum up they dropped the subscription only model.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.
The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.
Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.
Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?
I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.
You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing
If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.
1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game
You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .
Entitled means having a right to something.
You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.
Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.
Yes it does and the "right" to anything argument went out the door the moment everyone made a purchase of the game hence entitlement cannot be used in this context .
Also I don't believe you about your money so :P
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.
Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?
If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.
The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?
Welcome to to the world of commerce!
You're not being screwed out of anything.
And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?
ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.
Good luck with that.
Hellno I don't want financial advice from anyone that throws their money away on every little video game perk that gets released . LMAO .6 -
Drakoleon✭✭✭✭2-3k crowns for DLC and 3k+ for race change......Looks like its more work for zeni to change.... race, than build a whole DLC form scratch......
My friends list was full of active players and its now empty for second time since launch.
"Minmaxing" while classes/races/skills are unbalanced for over 2 years and they ll keep changing after every other patch? Anyways makes no sense to pay 20$ for race change every 3 months unless...... someone is stupid or kid and has no respect for the money spent2 -
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.
Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?
If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.
The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?
Welcome to to the world of commerce!
You're not being screwed out of anything.
And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?
ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.
Good luck with that.
Hellno I don't want financial advice from anyone that throws their money away on every little video game perk that gets released . LMAO .
Let's amend that. Never take financial advise from someone who plays a video-game, throws their money away on ever little game perk and then complains that they are throwing away their money on every little game perk.2 -
dalodir✭✭Daemons_Bane wrote: »So you want to use your ingame gold, aka get it freely.. What did you seriously expect
the company has to make a living, so we have the crownstore.. the new cosmetics are not an advantage or neccessity in any way, so of course you must pay for it.. The prices may be a little high, but wanting them for free is the rant of a spoiled mind
I dont expect it free given the price of the dlcs currently. Although i would prefer better fuller DLC by including this chargeable content. Ofcourse Id expect to pay a little more for DLC. With this combined with my eso+ should be enough money for zos to provide a great game.
This way i can just play the game and earn everything as i go through playing and stop thinking about real world money every few days.1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭2-3k crowns for DLC and 3k+ for race change......Looks like its more work for zeni to change.... race, than build a whole DLC form scratch......
My friends list was full of active players and its now empty for second time since launch.
"Minmaxing" while classes/races/skills are unbalanced for over 2 years and they ll keep changing after every other patch? Anyways makes no sense to pay 20$ for race change every 3 months unless...... someone is stupid or kid and has no respect for the money spent
Why are you changing your race or appearance anyway? You made your bed, now lay in it.1 -
one_eye✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »LuxEtVeritas wrote: »I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .
It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .
You know why it costs more?
Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.
I'm not sure of your age but I'll tell you a story about this in the 50s . Back when they were building a lot of Americas highways , store sprung up in remote places . Usually where people would break down . The shops would sell canteens of water for $10 . A small fortune in in the 50s . Food , phone calls all at four to five times the normal amount because people wanted it bad an no where else to go . It was later labeled Highway robbery and in some places a crime .
This is no where even remotely near analogy scenario but it explains behavior that people weren't just mad enough to drive the people out over being fleeced , they locked them up and brings me to the point . Buisness and ethics became a larger study after in the 60s . One of the things they teach is never to treat your customers like they're dumb , it can turn on you . Most people here are smart and know when they're getting fleeced too much . Those that don't run to the defense of anything goes . For those people , please save the tax accountant , your local newspaper and the rest of your town a lot of work and don't open a business . Anything goes pricing just goes under every time because history .
Next class we'll discuss micro and macro economies .
Thank you so much for that insightful lesson, sir.
I'm not sure of your age either. But let me help you with your grammar and punctuation.
See, when you say "Americas," you really need an apostrophe before the s. This denotes that you're using the possessive form of "America's."
"...an no where else" is just poor spelling, mister! Don't forget the d!
"Buisness?" Oh come one now. That's an easy one.
There are no spaces between the last word of a sentence and the period. Or for that matter, there are no spaces between a word and the following comma.
I mean, we really need to work on your writing, but we'll save that for the next class.
Can you spell "condescending?"
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »LuxEtVeritas wrote: »I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .
It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .
You know why it costs more?
Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.
I'm not sure of your age but I'll tell you a story about this in the 50s . Back when they were building a lot of Americas highways , store sprung up in remote places . Usually where people would break down . The shops would sell canteens of water for $10 . A small fortune in in the 50s . Food , phone calls all at four to five times the normal amount because people wanted it bad an no where else to go . It was later labeled Highway robbery and in some places a crime .
This is no where even remotely near analogy scenario but it explains behavior that people weren't just mad enough to drive the people out over being fleeced , they locked them up and brings me to the point . Buisness and ethics became a larger study after in the 60s . One of the things they teach is never to treat your customers like they're dumb , it can turn on you . Most people here are smart and know when they're getting fleeced too much . Those that don't run to the defense of anything goes . For those people , please save the tax accountant , your local newspaper and the rest of your town a lot of work and don't open a business . Anything goes pricing just goes under every time because history .
Next class we'll discuss micro and macro economies .
Thank you so much for that insightful lesson, sir.
I'm not sure of your age either. But let me help you with your grammar and punctuation.
See, when you say "Americas," you really need an apostrophe before the s. This denotes that you're using the possessive form of "America's."
"...an no where else" is just poor spelling, mister! Don't forget the d!
"Buisness?" Oh come one now. That's an easy one.
There are no spaces between the last word of a sentence and the period. Or for that matter, there are no spaces between a word and the following comma.
I mean, we really need to work on your writing, but we'll save that for the next class.
Can you spell "condescending?"
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Lexynide✭✭✭✭
Oh are we talking about an obsession in videogame? What are you, Fox News? But seriously speaking you obviously don't know a single clue about minmaxing if you think that the difference isn't that big.You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.
We are very happy and interested to hear what you have because it is truly an important information to us and has everything to do with the topic. Yes, italic font stands for absolutely raw and potent sarcasm.Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.1 -
one_eye✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.
Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?
If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.
The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?
Welcome to to the world of commerce!
You're not being screwed out of anything.
And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?
ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.
Good luck with that.
Hellno I don't want financial advice from anyone that throws their money away on every little video game perk that gets released . LMAO .
LMAO! That's fantastic.
I have spent a lot of money on crowns. I just might buy some more today.2 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭Johngo0036 wrote: »lmfao at this post... did you think it would be for free... lmfao...
"Choose your race, class, name and appearances carefully, wise one!!" - Voice of Yoda...
The problem is they keep changing the racials...
If the racials didn't affect gameplay whatsoever, no one would complain (well less people...)Daemons_Bane wrote: »Daemons_Bane wrote: »I think most of us can agree that maybe the prices are a little higher than expected.. maybe that will change though.. but expecting it to be gold cost is lunacy
@TheShadowScout I think the subscriber bonus in this patch is meant to be the free costume coloring
How is it "lunacy" to expect a simple appearance changes to be for in game currency? It is fully in ZOS right to make it crown store feature, its fully in rights of customers to disagree with that decision. Furthermore is ESO one of the f2p products? Then dont charge for the game.
You said it yourself here it's a f2p game, so they have to make their money elsewhere.. so they did.. I could MAYBE see the hair thing become free someday, but not the rest.. Neither should it be.. cheaper maybe, but not free
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.
Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?
If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.
The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?
Welcome to to the world of commerce!
You're not being screwed out of anything.
And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?
ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.
Good luck with that.
Hellno I don't want financial advice from anyone that throws their money away on every little video game perk that gets released . LMAO .
LMAO! That's fantastic.
I have spent a lot of money on crowns. I just might buy some more today.
I bought more crowns too because of the sale lol
I'm hoarding them until appearance change is more reasonably priced ! :P0 -
natewook✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »LuxEtVeritas wrote: »I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .
It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .
You know why it costs more?
Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.
I'm not sure of your age but I'll tell you a story about this in the 50s . Back when they were building a lot of Americas highways , store sprung up in remote places . Usually where people would break down . The shops would sell canteens of water for $10 . A small fortune in in the 50s . Food , phone calls all at four to five times the normal amount because people wanted it bad an no where else to go . It was later labeled Highway robbery and in some places a crime .
This is no where even remotely near analogy scenario but it explains behavior that people weren't just mad enough to drive the people out over being fleeced , they locked them up and brings me to the point . Buisness and ethics became a larger study after in the 60s . One of the things they teach is never to treat your customers like they're dumb , it can turn on you . Most people here are smart and know when they're getting fleeced too much . Those that don't run to the defense of anything goes . For those people , please save the tax accountant , your local newspaper and the rest of your town a lot of work and don't open a business . Anything goes pricing just goes under every time because history .
Next class we'll discuss micro and macro economies .
Thank you so much for that insightful lesson, sir.
I'm not sure of your age either. But let me help you with your grammar and punctuation.
See, when you say "Americas," you really need an apostrophe before the s. This denotes that you're using the possessive form of "America's."
"...an no where else" is just poor spelling, mister! Don't forget the d!
"Buisness?" Oh come one now. That's an easy one.
There are no spaces between the last word of a sentence and the period. Or for that matter, there are no spaces between a word and the following comma.
I mean, we really need to work on your writing, but we'll save that for the next class.
Can you spell "condescending?"
really, is that all you can come up with? did it ever dawn on you to you that this might be his secondary language of the hundreds of other possible things that might have caused him to misspell three words and make a few grammar mistakes? no, i didn't think so.Edited by natewook on 3 August 2016 18:47sometimes I'll take subjects to far and ask for an arm, leg and maybe an eye, please be patent with me.
remember this thread people: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193736/should-eso-turn-up-the-heat-aka-gore-revisited/p1
necromancer? why I've neve- I would never do such a thing! XD3 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.
The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.
Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.
Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?
I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.
You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing
If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.
1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game
You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .
Entitled means having a right to something.
You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.
Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.
Yes it does and the "right" to anything argument went out the door the moment everyone made a purchase of the game hence entitlement cannot be used in this context .
Also I don't believe you about your money so :P
Noone of my age and income goes around bragging about retirement figures , it's too juvenile to conceive .
I don't care what you believe or don't believe. You called me out as non conservative with money. I'm telling you you're wrong.
I did purchase one race and name change (I have 12 characters). 3500 crowns = $25 at full crown price, $15 at the current crown discount price. That qualifies as lunch money, not "a fortune"
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.
The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.
Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.
Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?
I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.
You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing
If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.
1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game
You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .
Entitled means having a right to something.
You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.
Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.
Yes it does and the "right" to anything argument went out the door the moment everyone made a purchase of the game hence entitlement cannot be used in this context .
Also I don't believe you about your money so :P
Noone of my age and income goes around bragging about retirement figures , it's too juvenile to conceive .
I don't care what you believe or don't believe. You called me out as non conservative with money. I'm telling you you're wrong.
I did purchase one race and name change (I have 12 characters). 3500 crowns = $25 at full crown price, $15 at the current crown discount price. That qualifies as lunch money, not "a fortune"
A true conservative is frugal with his lunch ! Sammich , juice box , chips . You Sir are anything but conservative
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✭✭✭✭✭2-3k crowns for DLC and 3k+ for race change......Looks like its more work for zeni to change.... race, than build a whole DLC form scratch......
"Minmaxing" while classes/races/skills are unbalanced for over 2 years and they ll keep changing after every other patch? Anyways makes no sense to pay 20$ for race change every 3 months unless...... someone is stupid or kid and has no respect for the money spent
I agree.
It is kinda sad that the dlc price is cheaper but I'm guessing ZoS wants the dlc to be easily accessible to most players because, after all, they do make the game for people to play. I think the price point on the race change, etc is to discourage rampant FOTM changes.Edited by Katahdin on 3 August 2016 18:53Beta tester November 20130 -
one_eye✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »LuxEtVeritas wrote: »I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .
It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .
You know why it costs more?
Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.
I'm not sure of your age but I'll tell you a story about this in the 50s . Back when they were building a lot of Americas highways , store sprung up in remote places . Usually where people would break down . The shops would sell canteens of water for $10 . A small fortune in in the 50s . Food , phone calls all at four to five times the normal amount because people wanted it bad an no where else to go . It was later labeled Highway robbery and in some places a crime .
This is no where even remotely near analogy scenario but it explains behavior that people weren't just mad enough to drive the people out over being fleeced , they locked them up and brings me to the point . Buisness and ethics became a larger study after in the 60s . One of the things they teach is never to treat your customers like they're dumb , it can turn on you . Most people here are smart and know when they're getting fleeced too much . Those that don't run to the defense of anything goes . For those people , please save the tax accountant , your local newspaper and the rest of your town a lot of work and don't open a business . Anything goes pricing just goes under every time because history .
Next class we'll discuss micro and macro economies .
Thank you so much for that insightful lesson, sir.
I'm not sure of your age either. But let me help you with your grammar and punctuation.
See, when you say "Americas," you really need an apostrophe before the s. This denotes that you're using the possessive form of "America's."
"...an no where else" is just poor spelling, mister! Don't forget the d!
"Buisness?" Oh come one now. That's an easy one.
There are no spaces between the last word of a sentence and the period. Or for that matter, there are no spaces between a word and the following comma.
I mean, we really need to work on your writing, but we'll save that for the next class.
Can you spell "condescending?"
really, is that all you can come up with? did it ever dawn on you to you that this might be his secondary language?
No, I didn't actually. Considering he was trying to give me a lesson on mid-20th century American history, I just thought he must have the ability to write like an adult.1 -
natewook✭✭✭2-3k crowns for DLC and 3k+ for race change......Looks like its more work for zeni to change.... race, than build a whole DLC form scratch......
"Minmaxing" while classes/races/skills are unbalanced for over 2 years and they ll keep changing after every other patch? Anyways makes no sense to pay 20$ for race change every 3 months unless...... someone is stupid or kid and has no respect for the money spent
I agree.
It is kinda sad that the dlc price is cheaper but I'm guessing ZoS wants the dlc to be easily accessible to most players but the price point on the race change is to discourage rampant FOTM changes.
and yet, people like you fail to think of all the people who make very little and play this game BECAUSE it's free. and DON'T have hundreds of dollars to spend on a game. your point of view is disappointingly narrow if you ask me.sometimes I'll take subjects to far and ask for an arm, leg and maybe an eye, please be patent with me.
remember this thread people: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193736/should-eso-turn-up-the-heat-aka-gore-revisited/p1
necromancer? why I've neve- I would never do such a thing! XD1 -
one_eye✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.
Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?
If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.
The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?
Welcome to to the world of commerce!
You're not being screwed out of anything.
And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?
ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.
Good luck with that.
Hellno I don't want financial advice from anyone that throws their money away on every little video game perk that gets released . LMAO .
LMAO! That's fantastic.
I have spent a lot of money on crowns. I just might buy some more today.
I bought more crowns too because of the sale lol
I'm hoarding them until appearance change is more reasonably priced ! :P
As am I! You see? Common ground, sir!Edited by one_eye on 3 August 2016 18:571 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »LuxEtVeritas wrote: »I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .
It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .
You know why it costs more?
Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.
I'm not sure of your age but I'll tell you a story about this in the 50s . Back when they were building a lot of Americas highways , store sprung up in remote places . Usually where people would break down . The shops would sell canteens of water for $10 . A small fortune in in the 50s . Food , phone calls all at four to five times the normal amount because people wanted it bad an no where else to go . It was later labeled Highway robbery and in some places a crime .
This is no where even remotely near analogy scenario but it explains behavior that people weren't just mad enough to drive the people out over being fleeced , they locked them up and brings me to the point . Buisness and ethics became a larger study after in the 60s . One of the things they teach is never to treat your customers like they're dumb , it can turn on you . Most people here are smart and know when they're getting fleeced too much . Those that don't run to the defense of anything goes . For those people , please save the tax accountant , your local newspaper and the rest of your town a lot of work and don't open a business . Anything goes pricing just goes under every time because history .
Next class we'll discuss micro and macro economies .
Thank you so much for that insightful lesson, sir.
I'm not sure of your age either. But let me help you with your grammar and punctuation.
See, when you say "Americas," you really need an apostrophe before the s. This denotes that you're using the possessive form of "America's."
"...an no where else" is just poor spelling, mister! Don't forget the d!
"Buisness?" Oh come one now. That's an easy one.
There are no spaces between the last word of a sentence and the period. Or for that matter, there are no spaces between a word and the following comma.
I mean, we really need to work on your writing, but we'll save that for the next class.
Can you spell "condescending?"
really, is that all you can come up with? did it ever dawn on you to you that this might be his secondary language?
No, I didn't actually. Considering he was trying to give me a lesson on mid-20th century American history, I just thought he must have the ability to write like an adult.
I can write like an adult when I have the time . Right now I have to haggle over a cheaper radial arm saw as the bearings in this one may lead to a zero being added to the Days without accidents bulletin board which in turn leads to most costly worksman comp insurance payments and gentlemen that can no longer clap at celebrations ....0 -
natewook✭✭✭[/quote] No, I didn't actually. Considering he was trying to give me a lesson on mid-20th century American history, I just thought he must have the ability to write like an adult.[/quote]
hmm, well you're the one who ISN'T acting like an adult if you ask me. being that you are being edgy for such a little thing.Edited by natewook on 3 August 2016 19:00sometimes I'll take subjects to far and ask for an arm, leg and maybe an eye, please be patent with me.
remember this thread people: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/193736/should-eso-turn-up-the-heat-aka-gore-revisited/p1
necromancer? why I've neve- I would never do such a thing! XD0 -
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✭✭✭✭Just make a barbershop that only ESO+ members have entrance too. Then you have the choice of having a sub and using gold, or spending crowns.Daggerfall Covenant
Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.
The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.
Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.
Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?
I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.
You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing
If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.
1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game
You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .
Entitled means having a right to something.
You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.
Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.
Yes it does and the "right" to anything argument went out the door the moment everyone made a purchase of the game hence entitlement cannot be used in this context .
Also I don't believe you about your money so :P
Noone of my age and income goes around bragging about retirement figures , it's too juvenile to conceive .
I don't care what you believe or don't believe. You called me out as non conservative with money. I'm telling you you're wrong.
I did purchase one race and name change (I have 12 characters). 3500 crowns = $25 at full crown price, $15 at the current crown discount price. That qualifies as lunch money, not "a fortune"
Unless, apparently, as many players here seem to be, you haven't received your allowance for the week from your parents yet.0 -
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No, I didn't actually. Considering he was trying to give me a lesson on mid-20th century American history, I just thought he must have the ability to write like an adult.[/quote]
hmm, well you're the one who ISN'T acting like an adult of you ask me. being that you are being edgy for such a little thing.[/quote]
Read the prior threads. When someone condescends towards me, I sometimes return the thought.
And, I didn't ask you.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »Just make a barbershop that only ESO+ members have entrance too. Then you have the choice of having a sub and using gold, or spending crowns.
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✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.
The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.
Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.
Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?
I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.
You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing
If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.
1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game
You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .
Entitled means having a right to something.
You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.
Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.
Yes it does and the "right" to anything argument went out the door the moment everyone made a purchase of the game hence entitlement cannot be used in this context .
Also I don't believe you about your money so :P
Noone of my age and income goes around bragging about retirement figures , it's too juvenile to conceive .
I don't care what you believe or don't believe. You called me out as non conservative with money. I'm telling you you're wrong.
I did purchase one race and name change (I have 12 characters). 3500 crowns = $25 at full crown price, $15 at the current crown discount price. That qualifies as lunch money, not "a fortune"
A true conservative is frugal with his lunch ! Sammich , juice box , chips . You Sir are anything but conservative
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