ZoS, we are NOT with you!

Solid_Metal

" Please keep future posts civil and constructive."

hahahaha

constructive crticsm is useless in this forum, this dev NEVER listen to their player base
i just realize it now, how MANY of user input they ignore

well done, you just outplayed yourself @ZOS , iam officially done with this game

Lord_Draevan

Wait, are we with ZOS or against them? I'm confused!

DenMoria

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Wait, are we with ZOS or against them? I'm confused!

I think it's about half and half.

Those of us that are relatively new and casual gamers are fine with the game (okay the FPS is a little bit of a pain), but the long time, hardcore gamers that min/max, are at elite levels and play all the time seems to be getting more than a little frustrated with stuff that I have, fortunately, never really experienced.

I can only imagine.

Rohamad_Ali

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Wait, are we with ZOS or against them? I'm confused!

One has 9k view and the other 2K .

I don't know if that means anything ... but ya

Garldeen

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Wait, are we with ZOS or against them? I'm confused!

I've a foot in both camps. I enjoy the game (although I would like it to be much harder), I think the DLC are fairly priced for the hours of entertainment they have given me. On the other hand, even though i've not purchased any, i think some of the new crown store items have been below the quality one would expect for the price, and the price for things such as name changes are a bit over the top considering it is just a database query to be run. I understand people saying they have done that to stop people changing very often, i counter that by saying they could have made it half the price and limited it to every 90 days.

Bad_Company

I read the first page only.

My comment is as follows: "I WANT ZOS TO WORK AND SPEND RESOURCES (aka money) TO GIVE US SOMETHING FOR FREE (i.e. without us spending money)! HURR-DURR!"

You said people misinterpreted your words, you don't want it for "free", you want it to cost gold. 'Cause you know, ZOS employees can pay bills and stuff with an in-game currency.
I suppose that when you work you don't want a wage, right?

Djem

Bad_Company wrote: »

I read the first page only.

My comment is as follows: "I WANT ZOS TO WORK AND SPEND RESOURCES (aka money) TO GIVE US SOMETHING FOR FREE (i.e. without us spending money)! HURR-DURR!"

You said people misinterpreted your words, you don't want it for "free", you want it to cost gold. 'Cause you know, ZOS employees can pay bills and stuff with an in-game currency.
I suppose that when you work you don't want a wage, right?

Wish I could give your post Awesome more than once.

Rohamad_Ali

Bad_Company wrote: »

I read the first page only.

My comment is as follows: "I WANT ZOS TO WORK AND SPEND RESOURCES (aka money) TO GIVE US SOMETHING FOR FREE (i.e. without us spending money)! HURR-DURR!"

You said people misinterpreted your words, you don't want it for "free", you want it to cost gold. 'Cause you know, ZOS employees can pay bills and stuff with an in-game currency.
I suppose that when you work you don't want a wage, right?

2/10

You don't know how much ZOS employees make and you don't know how much the game already makes . Blizzard has been running successfully for longer then any other company and they have options ingame to change appearance with gold . It's a complete fantasy of your own creation that this is the only way employees can be afforded .

one_eye

No duh. We all know that Zos is a business company and out to generate revenue. All that I'm asking for is to give us a certain amount of tokens to use for an appearance change. This includes Name change as well.

You know they're a business, but all you're asking is for them to JUST give you something...

Solid_Metal

Bad_Company wrote: »

I read the first page only.

My comment is as follows: "I WANT ZOS TO WORK AND SPEND RESOURCES (aka money) TO GIVE US SOMETHING FOR FREE (i.e. without us spending money)! HURR-DURR!"

You said people misinterpreted your words, you don't want it for "free", you want it to cost gold. 'Cause you know, ZOS employees can pay bills and stuff with an in-game currency.
I suppose that when you work you don't want a wage, right?

i for one not about that

i bought all the DLC collector with my own money + i also subs to ESO+ , buy lot of pets and mount

what grind my gears how ZoS handle the pricing, yes its not necessary , purely cosmetic, but FFS, its seriously overprice, even GW2 only need 350 gems/ about $3/4 bucks, yet ZoS need $10 to do that, even in GW2 you can get these GEM for free from achievement rewards

and also i hate how they neglect everything that community ideas that already offered basically since the beggining of the game, i also include lot of opinion in that

is it really hurting to release the barber as a gold sinker and make additional new hair pruchasable in crown store, and make the barber a real in game store that exist in town?

raidentenshu_ESO

Bad_Company wrote: »

I read the first page only.

My comment is as follows: "I WANT ZOS TO WORK AND SPEND RESOURCES (aka money) TO GIVE US SOMETHING FOR FREE (i.e. without us spending money)! HURR-DURR!"

You said people misinterpreted your words, you don't want it for "free", you want it to cost gold. 'Cause you know, ZOS employees can pay bills and stuff with an in-game currency.
I suppose that when you work you don't want a wage, right?

Did you read the post about a member suggesting multiple tokens for the price of 1,000 crowns? I bet you did not. In fact I'm sure you didn't even read other peoples post, just mine.

Perhaps you should get caught up on what is being said on this thread before you invite yourself into the discussion?


Edited: PS you forgot to read where I mention that I'm a PAID ESO Plus subscriber? I AINT TRYING TO GET A FREE HAND OUT. Do you struggle with reading comprehension? Also I just purchase 2 1500 crowns.

Bad_Company

@Djem Thank you for supporting my statement! I'm glad to see we think alike, I wish there were more people like you.

@Rohamad_Ali That's right, I don't know how much they make and you're wrong, I don't think this is the only way for ZOS to afford them. I think that when you put a lot of work into something you deserve credit. And believe me when I say that if they released this stuff for free people would be thankful for a couple hours, then come back here to the forums and bash ZOS for not fixing bugs or not implementing the patch to be perfect and issue-free. So no, what's 2/10 is your reasoning I'm afraid.

Rohamad_Ali

Some of you act as though this is the only way to pay employees is by charging for appearance change . News flash ! We just got this option , how did ZOS pay their employees the last 2 years ? They must of all been waiting forever to finally get a paycheck ! Pfff plz .

one_eye

Why are people speculating on the details of payroll within ZoS?

LuxEtVeritas

I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .

It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .

Oh and the Personalities are bugged .. The Angry one has an arm glitch in first person view . It sort of flicks up out in front of you after you stow your bow etc . A bit like a mad tick .

Rohamad_Ali

Bad_Company wrote: »

@Djem Thank you for supporting my statement! I'm glad to see we think alike, I wish there were more people like you.

@Rohamad_Ali That's right, I don't know how much they make and you're wrong, I don't think this is the only way for ZOS to afford them. I think that when you put a lot of work into something you deserve credit. And believe me when I say that if they released this stuff for free people would be thankful for a couple hours, then come back here to the forums and bash ZOS for not fixing bugs or not implementing the patch to be perfect and issue-free. So no, what's 2/10 is your reasoning I'm afraid.

By your logic every time a quality of life is added to the game it's more separately paid content . They can do that . They can make all new armor motifs paid content . They can make all new colors paid content . They can make all new PvP areas paid content . But what's going to happen is the subscription starts to mean less and less and those that pay a subscription and have to buy these things on top of a subscription are slowly going to get nickeled and dimed to death and screw it . Charging for every little thing has been the slow death of many MMOs .

Katahdin

Lexynide wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.

The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.

Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.

Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?

I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.

You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing

If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.

1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game

Bad_Company

@raidentenshu_ESO I didn't read that comment. As you probably didn't read mine, when I said at the beginning of it that I did not read the entire discussion. I do not have time to do that now, so I'd be glad if you could forgive me for that. Not that I need anyone's forgiveness, that is.
Anyway, I did not say that the price was right. I think it should have been 2.5k at max, but definitely not 1k for multiple tokens. Sadly, any biased buyer (which means 99% of all buyers) think their money is worth more than anybody else's. Well, it's not. Money is money, and you can't blame ZOS for wanting to make a revenue out of their work. I'm sure there are people out there who can't afford it, of that I'm sorry, but nobody is preventing them to make a new character and grinding their way up to be on par with their main. This is what bothers me, you all act as if your time (which you want to save by not levelling another character) is worth more than ZOS' people (who spent their time testing and putting this whole feature up).

one_eye

LuxEtVeritas wrote: »

I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .

It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .

You know why it costs more?

Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Some of you act as though this is the only way to pay employees is by charging for appearance change . News flash ! We just got this option , how did ZOS pay their employees the last 2 years ? They must of all been waiting forever to finally get a paycheck ! Pfff plz .

Coming is sept to SPIKE, John Taffers Video Game Rescue!

Rohamad_Ali

Katahdin wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.

The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.

Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.

Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?

I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.

You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing

If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.

1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game

You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .

raidentenshu_ESO

Bad_Company wrote: »

@raidentenshu_ESO I didn't read that comment. As you probably didn't read mine, when I said at the beginning of it that I did not read the entire discussion. I do not have time to do that now, so I'd be glad if you could forgive me for that. Not that I need anyone's forgiveness, that is.
Anyway, I did not say that the price was right. I think it should have been 2.5k at max, but definitely not 1k for multiple tokens. Sadly, any biased buyer (which means 99% of all buyers) think their money is worth more than anybody else's. Well, it's not. Money is money, and you can't blame ZOS for wanting to make a revenue out of their work. I'm sure there are people out there who can't afford it, of that I'm sorry, but nobody is preventing them to make a new character and grinding their way up to be on par with their main. This is what bothers me, you all act as if your time (which you want to save by not levelling another character) is worth more than ZOS' people (who spent their time testing and putting this whole feature up).

I read your entire post. I also read the fact that you're trying to paint me as cheap who wants everything for free.... you even made that nice and clear when you used all CAPS regardless if you using sarcasm tone.

Do I blame Zos for wanting to make money? No why should I? Everyone has the right to make money, especially when it comes down to the maintenance of the servers and hardware. This is why I purchase crowns from the crown store from time to time... to show my support to the company by aiding them in the cost of these maintenance. I'm doing my fair share of helping the company out. All that I'm asking for is to be treated fairly. Why are we only allowed to have 1 token at a time for changing our appearance that cost us 1,000 crowns? You mean that in order for me to change my eye color that is going to cost me 1,000 crowns to do it? That's not right at all. It is also NOT right to force people who aren't wealthy to create new characters and waste that time of grinding just to fix a simple thing on their current character like changing their facial hairs. That is just outrageous to even suggest that.

Rowan_Winterhaven

Those of us who don't have Mommy and Daddy to pay for whatever we want, those of us who know what it's like to struggle for our income and use what tiny bit of money we can scrape up to pay for the single bit of entertainment that we allow ourselves to pay for, aren't fans of being screwed with micro-transactions. I don't want FREE, I want REASONABLE. These prices are more than unreasonable, they're a guarantee that the only people who will have the extra goodies are the ones who have plenty of cash to throw around, or have more money than sense.

These prices are astronomical, and far out of the bounds of the most obnoxious micro-transaction market in any MMORPG I've ever played. I don't want anything for nothing; I want something for reasonable and it's not too much to ask.

Also, "you don't have to be here" is an invalid argument, despite the fact that none of us have to be here. "Just leave," is an apathetic, lazy, and childish response to people who have a valid complaint. You don't like to read about our complaints on the forums? Don't. The fact that you're sitting here saying, "Then leave." just tells me that you've (the collective "you" of those who have responded in this way) nothing constructive to add, you're simply seeking attention, and don't care if it's negative. Way to go, you awesome human being, you!

When you're talking about a service that is provided, if the service provider doesn't clean up their act, they lose customers. ZoS is being stingy and money grubbing, and it's a fantastically avaricious way to treat the people that you want to have stick around and maybe even subscribe. It's dishonorable and unscrupulous, and untenable.

Katahdin

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Lexynide wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

People complained about the banker and merchant at 5K crowns each and many didnt buy them (I didnt).
Many people complained about 5K crowns for motifs and the prices of some of the costumes. The prices didnt change.

The prices didnt change on those and they wont on the race, name, appearance change either.

Its simple, if you dont like the price, dont buy.

Having no portable merchant isn't going to make somebody suffer, but having your entire minmax build screwed up because of racial change will. You can't say "don't buy it" here. A person who cares about minmaxing simply has to buy it. How many times it has to be brought up? Why is it hard to understand?

I understand people that complain about paying for a commonly charged for option in MMOs and only want everything for free are acting like self riteous, entitled cry babies.

You don't HAVE to buy it. You are the one imposing this requirement in your CHOICE of obsessing over minmaxing

If you're so hung up on a <1% difference in stats that you think you NEED to change race every month, you have 4 choices.

1. pay for the race change
2. Buy character slots and make a best in stats stam and a majicka version of every class so you can switch
3. Give up on keeping up with a <1% stat difference that is really meaningless when we consider player skill, experience, lag, internet connection and hardware differences.
4. Rage quit the game

You don't even know what the word entitled means and seriously doubt your even remotely conservative or this post would never of hit the page .

Entitled means having a right to something.

You do not have a right to a free race change because you are obsessed with minmaxing and ZoS tweeked the passives on your current race.

Not that it is any of your buisness, but I have a 6 figure retirement account and my house and car are paid for. So I've been conservative when I needed to be.

Lord_Draevan

I don't mind paying, but the cost being more than a full-fledged DLC pack like Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood, for each change, seems a bit steep.

pat_eggersb14_ESO

Easy choice do not buy it. I am really bored with the game as it is anyhow. Time to move on.

dalodir

Roechacca wrote: »

I miss the old days of MMOs where all these things and player housing were standard with a subscription model. Cash shops are just garbage as my thread from 2 years ago said.

This.

You may have had to pay a subscription to play but you could earn all items through playing the game. When an expansion comes you may have to buy that expansion to enjoy its content. But at least thats it, you pay your way and you dont feel like theres a carrot on the stick constantly encouraging you to spend even more money.

Id rather pay for a subscription and the dlc albeit at a higher cost and receive Full game content.

I also find it hard to overly invest in vanity/cosmetic items for a game thats suffering from so many issues that have failed to be resolved. I need confidence that theres some longevity to those items.

Rohamad_Ali

one_eye wrote: »

LuxEtVeritas wrote: »

I spent more Crowns on my name change and appearance change than I had on two mounts , costumes and pets .

It is slightly mad that DLC is cheaper than a name change . Or Growing a Beard .

You know why it costs more?

Because ZoS knows that players want that feature, and will pay for it.

I'm not sure of your age but I'll tell you a story about this in the 50s . Back when they were building a lot of Americas highways , store sprung up in remote places . Usually where people would break down . The shops would sell canteens of water for $10 . A small fortune in in the 50s . Food , phone calls all at four to five times the normal amount because people wanted it bad an no where else to go . It was later labeled Highway robbery and in some places a crime .

This is no where even remotely near analogy scenario but it explains behavior that people weren't just mad enough to drive the people out over being fleeced , they locked them up and brings me to the point . Buisness and ethics became a larger study after in the 60s . One of the things they teach is never to treat your customers like they're dumb , it can turn on you . Most people here are smart and know when they're getting fleeced too much . Those that don't run to the defense of anything goes . For those people , please save the tax accountant , your local newspaper and the rest of your town a lot of work and don't open a business . Anything goes pricing just goes under every time because history .

Next class we'll discuss micro and macro economies .

Bad_Company

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

Bad_Company wrote: »

@raidentenshu_ESO I didn't read that comment. As you probably didn't read mine, when I said at the beginning of it that I did not read the entire discussion. I do not have time to do that now, so I'd be glad if you could forgive me for that. Not that I need anyone's forgiveness, that is.
Anyway, I did not say that the price was right. I think it should have been 2.5k at max, but definitely not 1k for multiple tokens. Sadly, any biased buyer (which means 99% of all buyers) think their money is worth more than anybody else's. Well, it's not. Money is money, and you can't blame ZOS for wanting to make a revenue out of their work. I'm sure there are people out there who can't afford it, of that I'm sorry, but nobody is preventing them to make a new character and grinding their way up to be on par with their main. This is what bothers me, you all act as if your time (which you want to save by not levelling another character) is worth more than ZOS' people (who spent their time testing and putting this whole feature up).

I read your entire post. I also read the fact that you're trying to paint me as cheap who wants everything for free.... you even made that nice and clear when you used all CAPS regardless if you using sarcasm tone.

Do I blame Zos for wanting to make money? No why should I? Everyone has the right to make money, especially when it comes down to the maintenance of the servers and hardware. This is why I purchase crowns from the crown store from time to time... to show my support to the company by aiding them in the cost of these maintenance. I'm doing my fair share of helping the company out. All that I'm asking for is to be treated fairly. Why are we only allowed to have 1 token at a time for changing our appearance that cost us 1,000 crowns? You mean that in order for me to change my eye color that is going to cost me 1,000 crowns to do it? That's not right at all. It is also NOT right to force people who aren't wealthy to create new characters and waste that time of grinding just to fix a simple thing on their current character like changing their facial hairs. That is just outrageous to even suggest that.

I am not trying to paint you as a cheap person. I'm just sick of these toxic comments from people that don't even try to understand they want more than they are willing to give. I'm not talking about you here, but more in general. It's nice of you to show your support, I do so as well and I'm happy to do it even if I don't have much time to play the game.

That being said, I'd like to show you a bit of your own words: You mean that in order for me to change my eye color that is going to cost me 1,000 crowns to do it? That's not right at all. It is also NOT right to force people who aren't wealthy to create new characters and waste that time of grinding just to fix a simple thing on their current character like changing their facial hairs.

Now, if you WANT to change your eye color you WANT something that would just make your character be easier on your own eyes (sorry for the pun). In that case you are requesting a feature that wasn't implemented until now, but now that it's here you think ZOS is forcing you to pay for that. ZOS doesn't force anyone, if there is a feature you want to use and it costs money, you have 3 options: 1) buy it, 2) pass on it, 3) ask for it to cost less. If you ask for it to cost less it's ok, even though I think prices won't change at all. If you want it for "free" (buying it with in-game gold has to be considered "for free"), that's where I disagree.
This is precisely why I said people value their money and time more than other people's. Those who are not wealthy enough (and here wealthy is somewhat inappropriate, it doesn't cost a fortune - even if it's not a little amount) didn't have the option to change appearance before and they do not have it now. So yes, you can make a new character to fix what you don't like and you shouldn't blame ZOS for not letting you have it the easy way if you can't afford to pay a penny for it.
At least, that's all IMHO.

one_eye

I LOVE IT when people pull the "struggling income" card, then use being fans of the game as some rationale that they should be treated a certain way.

Do you want some free yet sound financial advice?

If you can't afford to purchase "crowns" to update your video game character's appearance, then I submit to you that you should probably put your money towards more important things in life, and not video game character hairstyles or mounts or pets.

The prices are astronomical to YOU. Not to everybody. And not because everybody has "mommy and daddy paying for everything." You might not know this, but there are adults who play this game who have discretionary income. And, we CHOOSE to pay or not pay ZoS. Pretty simple concept, yeah?

Welcome to to the world of commerce!

You're not being screwed out of anything.

And also, people keep referencing this exodus of players due to ZoS charging what they charge in the Crown Store. When is this exodus going to happen?

ZoS will continue to do business the way they do because PLAYERS ARE STILL PLAYING! And wouldn't you know it, they're still buying Crowns! When and if this player uprising happens, you can bet that ZoS will respond.

Good luck with that.