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Official Feedback Thread for Nightblades
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bowmanz607✭✭✭✭✭
✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.0 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?1 -
Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Currently if you are marked. ONLY the nightblade who marked you can see you.
This change to how mark target works is terrible ... Absolutely terrible.DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
Youtube: www.youtube.com/SypherPK
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CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.0 -
Sypher✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.DC Dragonknight 'Sypher - AD Nightblade Sypher Ali - AD Sorcerer Sypher Sensei - EP Sorcerer Sypharian - DC Templar Ali Sypher
Youtube: www.youtube.com/SypherPK
Twitch: www.twitch.tv/SypherPK1 -
pmn100b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
This is my experience also. I mean if people think everyone can see them when they're marked now, they're in for a shock.0 -
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✭✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.0 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Yes, i know for a fact you can still see the mark itself. whether or not it disappears if they go into stealth i am not 100% on. I defer to sypher on that point. I must have never noticed or been in a situation where a nb was marked by another and could still disappear.0 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
perhaps you have fallen into the same experiences as myself. Perhaps the nb never try to cloak. perhaps they ran out a mag and couldnt etc. Perhaps test it out in a controlled enviroment. Again i would defer to syoher on this unless you have tried a controlled test.0 -
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✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
This is my experience also. I mean if people think everyone can see them when they're marked now, they're in for a shock.
ya it could be simply that many players assume that when they are marked they can be seen by all and dont attempt to stealth away.0 -
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✭bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Yes, i know for a fact you can still see the mark itself. whether or not it disappears if they go into stealth i am not 100% on. I defer to sypher on that point. I must have never noticed or been in a situation where a nb was marked by another and could still disappear.
Okay, I'm just sure I've never seen another NBs mark, or perhaps I have, I'm going to see tonight. I see my mark and the mark on myself, but not other NB's who've marked someone, unless all the NBs round me don't use it. I would have thought the battle field would be littered with marks if you could see everyone elses. I've never run in a group so I've never had a leader mark people out for me before.1 -
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✭✭If the patch hits live like that cloak isn't even worth a skill point.
It's already useless in PvE since Boss mobs ignore it and also in group PvP since it loses it's purge effect.
Everyone is able to counter this ability with one of the following skills:
- all AoEs including the ground target ones
- dark flare
- mage light
- piercing mark
- gap closers randomly
- some other skills randomly
- flare
- curse
- shadow image first shot
- entropy if not fixed
On top of it you're unable to use it at all once someone marks you or uses mage light.
The number of nightblades is incredible high and also the percentage of said NBs using mark. Mark lasts for 29 seconds if you didn't know it already.
Since mage light is really strong it will find it's way in near all magicka builds for sure.
You know what that means? If I fight any group containing a NB or a Magicka build I can be sure that cloak will end up being useless. It's simply not worth the slot.
It's the most unreliable skill and has a high cost.
I mean no problem, but give me a defense comparable to the ones of other classes.
There is nothing to disable shield/heals/block for multiple seconds.
NBs don't even got a real heal skill in case you forgot that.
Edited by Soulac on 16 February 2016 20:24R.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
that is wrong.
only the caster can see the marked target.... "if that target remains stealthed or cloaking that is". your friend can only see him once the player marked is hit with AOE or steps out of stealth/cloak. someone may of had a detect pot or radiant mage light to reveal the nb. that nightblade "is" marked to your allies but will not be visible to them when they cloak FACT.
this was important because you could run away and the player who marked you would be the only player to know where you went. so once marked you could single out this person pretty easily or even kite him so any other players around dont know where you are.
the new piercing mark just ruins this completely. once marked your visable... so know a core mechanic nb's need to cut aggro to heal or go offensive is lost.
Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on 16 February 2016 20:32PS4 NA DC0 -
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✭✭✭bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
perhaps you have fallen into the same experiences as myself. Perhaps the nb never try to cloak. perhaps they ran out a mag and couldnt etc. Perhaps test it out in a controlled enviroment. Again i would defer to syoher on this unless you have tried a controlled test.
Trust me, it would have to be insanely slim odds for this not to be the case. In groups we often know who is our active NB and ask them to use mark so enemy NB's can't cloak away. It is something we do all the time. And yes, i'm sure these people are spamming cloak, the whole animation spam combined with them either sitting in one place or slowly crawling away thinking they can't be seen hint to this as well. Try it, be in a group with non-nb's and see how helpful you can be by just marking other NB's, it works, has since 1.6.5 I think, ever since it lost its whole "throw the gauntlet" kind of vibe.0 -
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✭✭@CP5
You really need to show me some clear evidence but me and syhper play nightblade's. This has been how piercing mark works ever since I can remember.
I'm 100% certain piercing mark work's the way I stated or sypher stated.
This is the only time in Eso history where the mechanic has been changed. The only ability in the game that let's cloaked/stealth player's be seen by allies is Radiant Mage Light pre-pts.
If you are playing in pts with piercing mark right now, then you are right. You CANNOT cloak at all anymore once this has effected you. This is game changing.
Zos might as well be spitting in the face at solo/1vX nightblade's.
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✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »(a)CP5
You really need to show me some clear evidence but me and syhper play nightblade's. This has been how piercing mark works since I can remember.
I'm 100% certain piercing mark work's the way I stated or sypher stated.
This is the only time in history where the mechanic has been changed.
Then go out in cyrodiil and find a nb to test on, hit them with piercing mark and ask them to spam cloak. Then see if your friend can see them. But I have done this so many times, ruined so many NB's kill sprees by hitting them with mark and denying them from cloaking that yes, that is how it is working now.0 -
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✭✭@CP5
I have checked on live. It work's the way I've stated......also I added a little more to my last comment before you replied.
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✭✭✭Fine, if I manage to get enough time tonight to long on i'll see about running my NB and checking this again. But I have time and again seen pircing mark reveal targets to everyone and it has been this way since they made the skill visible to everyone aside from the caster and target.0 -
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✭✭pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
They either have magelight on, det pots or something else. Once a person is marked by someone else but cloaks, if you didn't mark him or use any counter you cannot see him (on live)
Got a clip which proves it, my friend marked a nightblade which vanished, he could execute him while I couldn't see him, look at 3 minutes and 17 seconds. Mister torture marks him, he disapears for me while Mister Torture executes him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEm_wiVCD5M
But since ZOS said this change is intended, well GG Zos
Edit: If you get marked while trying to go into Clouding Swarm tough, then everyone can see you ^^Edited by Master_Kas on 16 February 2016 20:50EU | PC3 -
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✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
They either have magelight on, det pots or something else. Once a person is marked by someone else but cloaks, if you didn't mark him or use any counter you cannot see him (on live)
Got a clip which proves it, my friend marked a nightblade which vanished, he could execute him while I couldn't see him, look at 3 minutes and 17 seconds. Mister torture marks him, he disapears for me while Mister Torture executes him:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEm_wiVCD5M
But since ZOS said this change is intended, well GG Zos
Edit: If you get marked while trying to go into Clouding Swarm tough, then everyone can see you ^^
Odd, i've seen it work as I described but i've also seen NB's gain a good second of invisibility while in my radiant magelight's aoe. Unless someone can put together a staged test video I won't say one way or another. I have seen piercing mark work for allies way to many times to say that isn't how it works.0 -
Sanjirou✭Master_Kas wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
They either have magelight on, det pots or something else. Once a person is marked by someone else but cloaks, if you didn't mark him or use any counter you cannot see him (on live)
Got a clip which proves it, my friend marked a nightblade which vanished, he could execute him while I couldn't see him, look at 3 minutes and 17 seconds. Mister torture marks him, he disapears for me while Mister Torture executes him:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEm_wiVCD5M
But since ZOS said this change is intended, well GG Zos
Edit: If you get marked while trying to go into Clouding Swarm tough, then everyone can see you ^^
Odd, i've seen it work as I described but i've also seen NB's gain a good second of invisibility while in my radiant magelight's aoe. Unless someone can put together a staged test video I won't say one way or another. I have seen piercing mark work for allies way to many times to say that isn't how it works.
Maybe those NBs stop using cloak when they get marked. Don't want to waste resources or just panic.
My feedback on the change:
I want to be able to use cloak after getting marked, just for the buffs. I don't care if everyone sees me.
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✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171pmn100b16_ESO wrote:@ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.
So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.
Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.
I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
i have never tested it, no. I am just speaking from my experience. I have never seen a nb disappear while marked. Whether this is due to them not trying to cloak or someone also used a detect pot or something i am not sure. I personally have never seen it occur. That is not to say that is how it works. it is only an observation. dont take my word for it.
But you said you can see your guild leaders mark when he marks a target for everyone?
Currently on live, everyone can see a target who is marked. They changed it from 'only the caster and target' to everyone a while ago. I love running my own NB and marking others as they try to run, very apparent that marked targets can be seen by everyone.
And a side note, if you haven't noticed this is how it works on live that is likely part of why you think cloak doesn't work.
Wrong. Test it yourself, but I'll save you the time. You're wrong about how it works on live.
I have done this many times over during the last few weeks. I mark a NB on the other side of the battle field, they spam cloak to run away, my allies drive them to the ground without having to use any form of detection since I already marked them. If you just want to keep saying i'm wrong since i'm wrong then feel free, but unless this has changed since yesterday it is still the case.
They either have magelight on, det pots or something else. Once a person is marked by someone else but cloaks, if you didn't mark him or use any counter you cannot see him (on live)
Got a clip which proves it, my friend marked a nightblade which vanished, he could execute him while I couldn't see him, look at 3 minutes and 17 seconds. Mister torture marks him, he disapears for me while Mister Torture executes him:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEm_wiVCD5M
But since ZOS said this change is intended, well GG Zos
Edit: If you get marked while trying to go into Clouding Swarm tough, then everyone can see you ^^
Odd, i've seen it work as I described but i've also seen NB's gain a good second of invisibility while in my radiant magelight's aoe. Unless someone can put together a staged test video I won't say one way or another. I have seen piercing mark work for allies way to many times to say that isn't how it works.
Maybe those NBs stop using cloak when they get marked. Don't want to waste resources or just panic.
My feedback on the change:
I want to be able to use cloak after getting marked, just for the buffs. I don't care if everyone sees me.
Oh, they are using it, that much I am sure. But I agree that being unable to use the skill is a bandaid fix at best. They need to give feedback for when cloak isn't working, not deny the ability to use it at all.
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Radiant Mage Light befor pts was tick based. So if a nb cloaked enough, they could cloak threw radiant mage light. This was just by design since 100% detection would be to much for the server to handle.
I think Zos is doing this to improve performance. They are slowly taking away tick based abilitys. Notice how DoT skills got reduced ticks recently also.
Same thing with the new Mage Light. Instead of giving everyone tick based detection like the old Mage Light, it just straight up prevents you from cloaking on use.
Its a real shame Zos is going this route. Stamina Nightblades just lost their Magicka utlity is all. Somthing ill have to work around. I'll probably start using summon image and max hp + stam regen orsinium food.
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CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭If the patch hits live like that cloak isn't even worth a skill point.
It's already useless in PvE since Boss mobs ignore it and also in group PvP since it loses it's purge effect.
Everyone is able to counter this ability with one of the following skills:
- all AoEs including the ground target ones
- dark flare
- mage light
- piercing mark
- gap closers randomly
- some other skills randomly
- flare
- curse
- shadow image first shot
- entropy if not fixed
On top of it you're unable to use it at all once someone marks you or uses mage light.
The number of nightblades is incredible high and also the percentage of said NBs using mark. Mark lasts for 29 seconds if you didn't know it already.
Since mage light is really strong it will find it's way in near all magicka builds for sure.
You know what that means? If I fight any group containing a NB or a Magicka build I can be sure that cloak will end up being useless. It's simply not worth the slot.
It's the most unreliable skill and has a high cost.
I mean no problem, but give me a defense comparable to the ones of other classes.
There is nothing to disable shield/heals/block for multiple seconds.
NBs don't even got a real heal skill in case you forgot that.
Exactly. To requote what i said:CtrlAltDlt wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »CtrlAltDlt wrote: »So glad I've been playing S&B. Cloak coming out my bar confirmed
I am keeping it. For one thing that 8% damage mitigation will be nice. Also, dot superssion while vigor and rally tick. I also think it will just require some more skill to pull off. Someone reveals you for 5 seconda. With 2 seconds left you cc dodger old xloak. Still useful to gain that second or two to restablish yourself. Just requires more work to pull off.
Perhaps but the thing is, with the amount of NBs in cyradil, it only takes one mark target to render the skill useless for 30 secs since you can't even cast it. I don't rely on it too much right now anyways so I will likely slot something else
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✭✭✭GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »@CP5
Radiant Mage Light befor pts was tick based. So if a nb cloaked enough, they could cloak threw radiant mage light. This was just by design since 100% detection would be to much for the server to handle.
I think Zos is doing this to improve performance. They are slowly taking away tick based abilitys. Notice how DoT skills got reduced ticks recently also.
Same thing with the new Mage Light. Instead of giving everyone tick based detection like the old Mage Light, it just straight up prevents you from cloaking on use.
Its a real shame Zos is going this route. Stamina Nightblades just lost their Magicka utlity is all. Somthing ill have to work around. I'll probably start using summon image and max hp + stam regen orsinium food.
I asked if that were the case in the past but iirc I was under the impression that no one else noticed this and made it seem more like it was an oddity on my end. In regards to NB's on pts I hope they remove the 'can't use cloak' part but make sure it is consistent. And for pete's sake make the fear trap invisible again.0 -
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✭✭Fun thing is how ZOS said they will start with a small nerf like regen penalty since there are many counters aviable to cloak.
I wrote on the forums the nerf will be a harsh one because thats ZOS way of doing things.
Now here we are.
Purge-removal, gone.
Magelight / inner light buffs.
Mark target buffed.
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htarnnub17_ESOSoul ShrivenWhat is even going on in this thread, three pages of one guy denying something obvious while a dozen others try to assure him his anecdotal evidence is BS? We need some actual Nightblade feedback. We're getting hammered here. Let's get back to talking about all the relevant stuff that constitutes an all-out assault on how our class functions.
I think a lot of this stuff is fair, but there is so much of it. And a couple things go WAAAY over the top in shutting down our class.
First up magelight seems sort of fair. 5 seconds is a little excessive for a lock-out of stealth however, considering this is unprecedented. Others have said this better than I can, no other class can get locked out of its first line of defense like Nightblades do on PTS. Besides just being able to stealth to hide from death, it makes Shadow Barrier harder to keep active, it makes Master Assassin less useful for control/burst damage in fights, and it just seems like sloppy game design. Having one ability that specifically counters one other ability is not good in terms of making interesting strategies or creating a fun game. However, I think they could release an 8 meter, 3 second lock-out version of this that would be very fair because it would not win the fight on its own, merely start it favorably for the Magelight user.
Second we get to Mark Target. I'm on the fence about Magelight. But HOLY COW Mark Target is ridiculous. "For 30 seconds, screw target Nightblade." That is waaaay too long to be locked out of stealth. Not even remotely fun, nothing I've seen up until now has shaken my confidence in Zenimax's ability to develop a game as this. If cloak/stealth is unfair then tweak the numbers, make damage from stealth lower or reduce the detection range. But there is no button that disables another class for even a few seconds, let alone half a minute. Besides the absurd length, the fact that this ability is given to the class that it screws over seems another poor indication of game design. It makes it look like they see Nightblades as a problem, so they wish to make it a self-defeating problem. The more Nightblades, the more Marks running around and the worse the class becomes. For the sake of fun and long-term health in your game, balance the classes, don't punish the players.
And finally I'm beginning to doubt anyone developing the Nightblade class understands the role that Siphoning Attacks fills for us as tanks. There is an excellent thread on the subject by ThatNeonZebraAgain that is here. I hope that the devs notice it, because the changes to Siphoning Attacks in the PTS patch notes today make it clear that it has been utterly ignored so far.Edited by htarnnub17_ESO on 16 February 2016 21:395 -
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Omg i know. The fear trap should be invisible and fear multiple people still. Such a bad rework, why make a skill worse -_-
I personally want it to be a ward. After it's activated, fears everyone walking through (max 6) for 3 seconds. Ward persists for 15 seconds.
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