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  • Xeniph
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    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    The radiant changes pale in significance to the mark target changes imo.

    this makes no sense, mark doesn't even aggro

    you can't cloak with mark on you, so you're left out in the open unstealthed for everyone to see. Magelight will stop you cloaking for 5 seconds, mark will stop you cloaking for about 30.
    Snort cocaine all night while trying to come up with creative skill changes to fill the patch notes and you get things like the buff to Mark Target, an already incredibly powerful skill.

    They didn't buff Mark. It was an unintended change. Since they don't code things individually, they make broad changes to save time, but then always have to go back and readjust things. But Basically they classified all reveals as giving the same debuff, but overlooked the nuances of specific abilities. I'm sure it will get fixed in Q3.

    Here since Beta.

    Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.
  • pmn100b16_ESO
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Lava_Croft wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    Mojmir wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    The radiant changes pale in significance to the mark target changes imo.

    this makes no sense, mark doesn't even aggro

    you can't cloak with mark on you, so you're left out in the open unstealthed for everyone to see. Magelight will stop you cloaking for 5 seconds, mark will stop you cloaking for about 30.
    Snort cocaine all night while trying to come up with creative skill changes to fill the patch notes and you get things like the buff to Mark Target, an already incredibly powerful skill.

    They didn't buff Mark. It was an unintended change. Since they don't code things individually, they make broad changes to save time, but then always have to go back and readjust things. But Basically they classified all reveals as giving the same debuff, but overlooked the nuances of specific abilities. I'm sure it will get fixed in Q3.

    inb4

    "We are aware of this issue and currently don't have an eta for a fix, but we expect to get it included in the next major update"


    Edited by pmn100b16_ESO on 16 February 2016 01:10
  • umagon
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    Manifestation of terror should remain invisible and effect more that one target. Its the only skill that can actually break up large groups of players apart when you or your group of allies are out numbered. Making it so it can be seen and effecting only one target ruins it's effectiveness.

    Soul harvest needs to deal physical damage or at least disease damage. Leeching strikes needs heal for 10-15% of your total health and the damage reduction place at 5% other wise no one is going to use it as it gives no real benefit.

    Funnel health and swallow soul need to return more healing per damage done and funnel health should effect two targets; otherwise their effectiveness is very limited when it comes to healing. Once the fact they can be blocked, effected by minor/major maim, and minor/major defile is taken into account.
  • Lifecode666
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Up the hornz
  • Xeniph
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    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Exactly. something needs to be done now.

    It's not a issue at all for the magicka NB who doesn't utilize stealth, rather just stays invisible with multiple casts.

    But the Stamblade needs that cleanse to get back into stealth. Basically we will be back to the old "You are in combat forever and can't stealth" bug. Only much worse.

    So if we manage to survive the lockout, Cloaking enough times to wait out multiple dots, just so our eye can close is not an option anymore, even if the target that applied those dots is dead.

    Sadly we don't have potions that have a cleanse (Yay for super useful Alchemy), so our only option is Efficient purge or pray we run across a aura to get a cleanse, since everything else is group based.

    I predict most solo folks and nearly all gankers will avoid objectives like the plague. I know as a Stamblade ganker I will.
    Here since Beta.

    Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.
  • Junkogen
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Exactly. something needs to be done now.

    It's not a issue at all for the magicka NB who doesn't utilize stealth, rather just stays invisible with multiple casts.

    But the Stamblade needs that cleanse to get back into stealth. Basically we will be back to the old "You are in combat forever and can't stealth" bug. Only much worse.

    So if we manage to survive the lockout, Cloaking enough times to wait out multiple dots, just so our eye can close is not an option anymore, even if the target that applied those dots is dead.

    Sadly we don't have potions that have a cleanse (Yay for super useful Alchemy), so our only option is Efficient purge or pray we run across a aura to get a cleanse, since everything else is group based.

    I predict most solo folks and nearly all gankers will avoid objectives like the plague. I know as a Stamblade ganker I will.

    What do you mean, "not an issue for magicka NB"? You just said after that that they have to cast cloak to stay invisible. Magicka NB doesn't have the improved sneak passive from medium armor, for even medium armor for that matter. Without cloak magicka NBs are just crappy sorcerers. That's what ZOS is creating by locking out cloak. They're just creating a new class of crappy Sorcs: no class shield, no frags, no crit surge, no curse, no mines, and no streak. It's ridiculous.
  • Atomsk27
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    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    This, if they won't lower the magelight buff, how about a buff to dodge chance for NBs? Either with a passive or buff blur and its morphs.
    Edited by Atomsk27 on 16 February 2016 13:36
  • Xeniph
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    Junkogen wrote: »
    Xeniph wrote: »
    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Exactly. something needs to be done now.

    It's not a issue at all for the magicka NB who doesn't utilize stealth, rather just stays invisible with multiple casts.

    But the Stamblade needs that cleanse to get back into stealth. Basically we will be back to the old "You are in combat forever and can't stealth" bug. Only much worse.

    So if we manage to survive the lockout, Cloaking enough times to wait out multiple dots, just so our eye can close is not an option anymore, even if the target that applied those dots is dead.

    Sadly we don't have potions that have a cleanse (Yay for super useful Alchemy), so our only option is Efficient purge or pray we run across a aura to get a cleanse, since everything else is group based.

    I predict most solo folks and nearly all gankers will avoid objectives like the plague. I know as a Stamblade ganker I will.

    What do you mean, "not an issue for magicka NB"? You just said after that that they have to cast cloak to stay invisible. Magicka NB doesn't have the improved sneak passive from medium armor, for even medium armor for that matter. Without cloak magicka NBs are just crappy sorcerers. That's what ZOS is creating by locking out cloak. They're just creating a new class of crappy Sorcs: no class shield, no frags, no crit surge, no curse, no mines, and no streak. It's ridiculous.

    I meant the "Cloak nerf" is in no way detrimental to a magicka NB, infact it's more of a buff, since Shadowy Disguise is more attractive.

    I did not address the lockout debuff regarding the Magicka NB. Which is not a cloak nerf, but a gamewide detect hidden buff. Sorry for the confusion, I try to keep the nerfs/buffs of different mechanics seperated so it's easier to discuss.
    Edited by Xeniph on 16 February 2016 15:51
    Here since Beta.

    Characters: All of them, both Stamina and Magicka.
  • bowmanz607
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    Xeniph wrote: »
    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Exactly. something needs to be done now.

    It's not a issue at all for the magicka NB who doesn't utilize stealth, rather just stays invisible with multiple casts.

    But the Stamblade needs that cleanse to get back into stealth. Basically we will be back to the old "You are in combat forever and can't stealth" bug. Only much worse.

    So if we manage to survive the lockout, Cloaking enough times to wait out multiple dots, just so our eye can close is not an option anymore, even if the target that applied those dots is dead.

    Sadly we don't have potions that have a cleanse (Yay for super useful Alchemy), so our only option is Efficient purge or pray we run across a aura to get a cleanse, since everything else is group based.

    I predict most solo folks and nearly all gankers will avoid objectives like the plague. I know as a Stamblade ganker I will.

    What do you mean, "not an issue for magicka NB"? You just said after that that they have to cast cloak to stay invisible. Magicka NB doesn't have the improved sneak passive from medium armor, for even medium armor for that matter. Without cloak magicka NBs are just crappy sorcerers. That's what ZOS is creating by locking out cloak. They're just creating a new class of crappy Sorcs: no class shield, no frags, no crit surge, no curse, no mines, and no streak. It's ridiculous.

    I meant the "Cloak nerf" is in no way detrimental to a magicka NB, infact it's more of a buff, since Shadowy Disguise is more attractive.

    I did not address the lockout debuff regarding the Magicka NB. Which is not a cloak nerf, but a gamewide detect hidden buff. Sorry for the confusion, I try to keep the nerfs/buffs of different mechanics seperated so it's easier to discuss.

    Lol. Really, a buff. Come on now. I mean I am fine with what they did to cloak, but to say it is more a a buff is insane. Also, shadowy disguise is less attractive for a mag build because they need the extra damage mitigation now. With dots now ticking and cloak being less reliable for a defensive skill, the extra damage mitigation is key.

    Also, to say mage light is a game wide nerd to stealth is like shield breaker is a game wide nerd to shields. Sure in theory. However, practically speaking it is a nerf to cloak like shield breaker is a nerd to hardened ward. Additionally, Nb rely on repeatedly going into stealth, where other classes use stealth to open with. This is a nerd to cloak.
  • BullNetch
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    Is it true?

    Lotus fan is not dodgeable?
  • ThatNeonZebraAgain
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    Update on Siphoning Attacks here
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  • pmn100b16_ESO
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    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Edited by pmn100b16_ESO on 16 February 2016 17:09
  • bowmanz607
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.
  • revonine
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Whoah that's rough considering the duration of Mark, getting marked in PvP now means guaranteed death if outnumbered if you can't LoS quickly with Image. But even then....
    Edited by revonine on 16 February 2016 17:29
  • pmn100b16_ESO
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.

    On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.
  • Sav72
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    So there is our answer, Time to move on I guess.
    Savoifair, EP NB

    If you break something, you can glue it back together and fix it, but, it will always be broken...

  • bowmanz607
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.

    On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.

    Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.

    I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.
  • CtrlAltDlt
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    So glad I've been playing S&B. Cloak coming out my bar confirmed
    PC NA - jeazzy

    stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
    Stamblade outbumbered pvp vol 2. No cheese youtu.be/rN4_aRVMvWw
  • Miwerton
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    Went trough the costs of mageligth, out of sync.
    4925 on stam temp, no cost red apart from class ones,
    4245 on stam dk, no cost red
    4872 on stam nb, no cost red.
    All of them were using v15 health and stam food.

    Edit, and all of them had fully leveled up radiant mageligth, so no cost red from tier of skill.
    Edited by Miwerton on 16 February 2016 18:10
  • bowmanz607
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    CtrlAltDlt wrote: »
    So glad I've been playing S&B. Cloak coming out my bar confirmed

    I am keeping it. For one thing that 8% damage mitigation will be nice. Also, dot superssion while vigor and rally tick. I also think it will just require some more skill to pull off. Someone reveals you for 5 seconda. With 2 seconds left you cc dodger old xloak. Still useful to gain that second or two to restablish yourself. Just requires more work to pull off.
  • Junkogen
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Junkogen wrote: »
    Xeniph wrote: »
    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Exactly. something needs to be done now.

    It's not a issue at all for the magicka NB who doesn't utilize stealth, rather just stays invisible with multiple casts.

    But the Stamblade needs that cleanse to get back into stealth. Basically we will be back to the old "You are in combat forever and can't stealth" bug. Only much worse.

    So if we manage to survive the lockout, Cloaking enough times to wait out multiple dots, just so our eye can close is not an option anymore, even if the target that applied those dots is dead.

    Sadly we don't have potions that have a cleanse (Yay for super useful Alchemy), so our only option is Efficient purge or pray we run across a aura to get a cleanse, since everything else is group based.

    I predict most solo folks and nearly all gankers will avoid objectives like the plague. I know as a Stamblade ganker I will.

    What do you mean, "not an issue for magicka NB"? You just said after that that they have to cast cloak to stay invisible. Magicka NB doesn't have the improved sneak passive from medium armor, for even medium armor for that matter. Without cloak magicka NBs are just crappy sorcerers. That's what ZOS is creating by locking out cloak. They're just creating a new class of crappy Sorcs: no class shield, no frags, no crit surge, no curse, no mines, and no streak. It's ridiculous.

    I meant the "Cloak nerf" is in no way detrimental to a magicka NB, infact it's more of a buff, since Shadowy Disguise is more attractive.

    I did not address the lockout debuff regarding the Magicka NB. Which is not a cloak nerf, but a gamewide detect hidden buff. Sorry for the confusion, I try to keep the nerfs/buffs of different mechanics seperated so it's easier to discuss.

    No problem. I misinterpreted your post.

    Magicka and Stamina NB have to be united in this. We're two sides to the same coin.
  • Kalebron
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    Xeniph wrote: »
    Lifecode666 wrote: »
    Cinbri wrote: »
    I suggested to increase minor protection buff from 8% to 12%.

    Something needs to be done that's for sure..

    @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    @ZOS_KaiSchober


    As it is now it can not be released.. There is no waiting until next major update.
    The nightblade stealth change must be prioritized now!

    Stamina Nightblade needs this, or buff evasion and shuffle and make them stackable.

    Exactly. something needs to be done now.

    It's not a issue at all for the magicka NB who doesn't utilize stealth, rather just stays invisible with multiple casts.

    But the Stamblade needs that cleanse to get back into stealth. Basically we will be back to the old "You are in combat forever and can't stealth" bug. Only much worse.

    So if we manage to survive the lockout, Cloaking enough times to wait out multiple dots, just so our eye can close is not an option anymore, even if the target that applied those dots is dead.

    Sadly we don't have potions that have a cleanse (Yay for super useful Alchemy), so our only option is Efficient purge or pray we run across a aura to get a cleanse, since everything else is group based.

    I predict most solo folks and nearly all gankers will avoid objectives like the plague. I know as a Stamblade ganker I will.

    But it is an issue for magicka nightblade since we cloak alot and need magicka for when we come out of cloak. The nerf hurts all.
  • CtrlAltDlt
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    CtrlAltDlt wrote: »
    So glad I've been playing S&B. Cloak coming out my bar confirmed

    I am keeping it. For one thing that 8% damage mitigation will be nice. Also, dot superssion while vigor and rally tick. I also think it will just require some more skill to pull off. Someone reveals you for 5 seconda. With 2 seconds left you cc dodger old xloak. Still useful to gain that second or two to restablish yourself. Just requires more work to pull off.

    Perhaps but the thing is, with the amount of NBs in cyradil, it only takes one mark target to render the skill useless for 30 secs since you can't even cast it. I don't rely on it too much right now anyways so I will likely slot something else
    PC NA - jeazzy

    stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
    Stamblade outbumbered pvp vol 2. No cheese youtu.be/rN4_aRVMvWw
  • pcripper39ub17_ESO
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    Welp, this just means I save 15 bucks a month. Thanks Zos.
  • pmn100b16_ESO
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.

    On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.

    Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.

    I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.

    You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.
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    CtrlAltDlt wrote: »
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    So glad I've been playing S&B. Cloak coming out my bar confirmed

    I am keeping it. For one thing that 8% damage mitigation will be nice. Also, dot superssion while vigor and rally tick. I also think it will just require some more skill to pull off. Someone reveals you for 5 seconda. With 2 seconds left you cc dodger old xloak. Still useful to gain that second or two to restablish yourself. Just requires more work to pull off.

    Perhaps but the thing is, with the amount of NBs in cyradil, it only takes one mark target to render the skill useless for 30 secs since you can't even cast it. I don't rely on it too much right now anyways so I will likely slot something else

    Ya but I will keep them from stealthily too :). I also anticipateAmy players to move onto the next fotm. So nb won't be a problem like they are now.
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.

    On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.

    Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.

    I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.

    You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.

    Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.
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    It seems like nobody realizes all that this effects. I will give you one example here...I love playing the bow characters in mmo. Bow is already somewhat weak in both pve and pvp. Especially for those who like to do more than just gank. With the changes to cloak, it would be a lot smarter to take off the bow and go sword and board. Now, bc of the changes to cloak it will be utterly impossible use the bow to do anything other than gank and run. And like many have said before me, if I take the bow off and put 1h and shield on I don't even know if I will waste the magicka with the use of cloak...especially since I use food.
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    It's like the whole idea of the class is gone....
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
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    pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2701171/#Comment_2701171
    pmn100b16_ESO wrote:
    @ZOS_GinaBruno Mark Target locking NBs out of using cloak for its duration, is this intended? Or an unintended consequence from the changes to magelight?
    ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
    That is intended, and follows the same concept as Magelight: you shouldn't be able to cloak if you are revealed. Once revealed, you shouldn't be able to re-cloak or re-stealth.

    So there you go, its intended. Let the trolling commense I guess.


    Guess it is sword and board meta for Stam nb. Whatever. Time to switch it up anyway. Heck I will be running mage light on my bar as a stamina user.

    On live I run sword and board with retreating manoeuvres and defensive stance but I'm not sure even that will be enough to get away from the zerg now.

    Not for runnong. I don't usually put myself into a position to be zeroed down. And even when I do have to tuck tail and run I never riled on cloak to do so except to disappear after distance has been made which is still possible. This is a common misconception of players, both nb and non nb. An alright nb uses the ability to run. A great nb uses it to fight. Sure you can use cloak to get away. But in reality a good opponent will almost always prevent this. Since I always go into a fight with the premise my opponent is good, I never rely on cloak to get out of dodge. I use it for positioning at times, but the real treat came from removing dots and procing passives.

    I mean through a fighting lens. Not being able to purge dots or proc passives when unable to use means I will have to mitigate more damage then before. Sword and board will make this possible.

    You're talking about 1v1, 1v2, etc. I never run from a 1v1, that would be silly, I'm talking about getting mowed down by greater numbers, like during sieges, where I relied on retreating manoeuvres along with cloak. Now when a zerg comes running over a hill whilst you're fighting someone, an nb marks you, you're not getting away. You can try and run, but EVERYONE is going to see where you're going. I haven't an issue with magelight changes tbh, I doubt players will remember to keep it up half the time anyway, but the mark target thing is an unintended change, it wasn't even in the patch notes, and they're now saying its intended because they can't be bothered to go back in and make changes.

    Everyone os able to see you on live now. Heck, one of our raid leaders uses mark to single players out. Also, cloak does not help much now when you get zerged because the zerg is spamming tornados. I personally never found cloak reliable in these situations to begin with. Dodgeroll, los, air expedition and sprinting.

    Are you 100% sure about this? You're saying you can see the Mark that other NBs have placed? I've been away from game for a couple of months but even on a recent stream @Sypher said that only the NB that has placed the mark can see the player, and in my expereince, only the NB follows me whilst I cloak while marked, other players generally look lost. I know I certainly don't see the Mark of other NBs.
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