I'll begin

How come this is still not added into the game? I was for sure with this racial rebalance we would be seeing a passive to Altmer or Breton to increase Magic Damage by 3-5%, for the classes of Nightblades and Templars are becoming weaker and weaker due to the fact they just can't keep up with Fire, Frost and Shock Damage bonuses.

From a balance point of view I see no reason why this isn't in the game at the moment. It's still very early into the PTS, I'm hoping it can be made into Live, especially with the recent change to Dunmer including all the Elemental Damage in the world but leaving Altmer or Breton without Magic Damage.
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Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

Magic damage should be given to Altmers for obvious lore reasons, Bretons could use some love but I am very against lore discrepancies. Bretons have always been good at mitigating magical damage, rather than controlling it. Their spell resistance passive should have an added bonus where they restore a minor amount of Magicka based on the damage taken from Elemental/Magic (1-3%, with a possible cap of resource return, or even a flat value).

Altmers should then receive the Magic damage amp and see a 1% nerf to all sources (instead of 4% Fire/Ice/Shock, 3% of each + Magic damage).

Poison/Disease damage to Woodelves, as Argonians are already pretty suitable in terms of healers and tanks now. 2-3% Poison+Disease damage, and reduction would be a balanced setup to put them in line but not over the top with other Stamina builds.

The main thing when dealing with racial reworks in gauging them in terms of power for a multitude of specs, rather than just one aspect of game play. For example, Khajiit recently got a 6% Stamina amp, despite being the highest PvE dps in game at the moment. Sure they sacrifice sustain, but good play can alleviate that. Their efficiency severely dipped in terms of PvP due to Poisons (Minor Uncertainty/etc) and Impen/Resiliant stats, making them by far the worst stamina race in that light.

No matter what they do you (all) would complain. So now anyone can change their race to khajit or red guard or whatever yet still you all complain. Egads. Ppl say that the devs don't listen unfortunately they do listen. That's a great deal of problem they listen and make changes that a vocal minority ask for. I am happy as no one will discuss further what the best nb will be wood elf or khajit at least.

You buffed one of the top stamina races....why? (kahjit)

Since we have a large muscular tail, I feel as though Argonians, and to a lesser degree, Khajiit should be more balanced than other races.

That's just biology, ya know.

Bosmer and Khajit have suffered from sharing the strongest ganking passive in the game, combined with stamina racial bonus'. This made them very comparable, Khajit Crit made it highest performing PVE stamina DPS, but in PVP that crit did not perform as well thus Bosmer had their role. Now with Max stamina on Khajit being 3% higher than Bosmer, there really isn't a good reason to play Bosmer over Khajit.

No Breton buff??

Makes sense to move to a Stamina Templar build now, I loved my Magicka Templar.

I think adding all elemental damage buff to Dunmer is overkill. They are already the top choice for PvE Magicka DPS.

suggestion, change some of the passives to where they are useful after you hit the cp cap, i mean the 1percent extra xp in altmer might seem nice, but eventually it will be useless

[*] What do you think about the changes? I like every single one of them.

[*] Are there any that you feel are too strong compared to the others? Too weak? AP gain is weird, and that feels like it's an odd advantage to give that might be too much.

[*] Did you encounter any issues with the new Racial Passive changes? None So Far

[*] Are the changes going to make you change your character's race? If so, why? Not even a little, all my characters benefited directly from the changes in some small way.

[*] Are the changes going to encourage you to adjust your current build? If so, how? I might be more willing to wear the Overwhelming Surge set on my Dunmer now instead of my Altmer.

dpencil wrote: »

Breton - Did the dev team consider the impact of passive AP gain on the PVP leaderboards? 1% isn't much, but it is something and has the potential to make people feel like Bretons are getting an unfair advantage.
Suggestion: Rethink this passive to something less controversial.

Absolutely correct here. No passive should give even the slightest advantage at getting emperor.

I personally wish on Argonian they had given us stealthy, boosted our regeneration, etc. I'm not sure I am so happy about the boosted healing and losing our loss in healing received. This completely changes what this race was and is about purely because people misread the tooltip from the getgo. The bad part about healing received was that it was a tanking trait. It would be like removing nord mitigation and replacing with +to heals. I feel like two of the large elements of what drew me to playing an argonian nightblade are slipping. Seriously ZoS where is the sense that this race is good at guerilla warfare? I still think doing something unique with Argonians and making them the only race with potent regeneration in all fields would have been a really cool way to go about things. I'll be blunt here, I didn't make my Argonian Nightblade to be a healer, I made him to be a shadowscale. I'm sorry I don't envision a shadowscale waving a restoration staff and healing the team. He should be wielding a longspear (which granted we don't have), bow, tomhawks, daggers, etc and jumping from the shadows (or mud/bogs) with swiftly deadly attacks, probably poisoned/diseased ones at that. Currently the way the rules are he was designed to be a tanky nightblade. Now the rules change really push him into being a healer (he'll get less received health). I reckon what should have happened is to display the diversity of the race they should have given across the board regeneration (health/stam/magic). In this way the historic view of the different flavors of lizard folk could be portrayed and useful.

Dark Elves on the other hand seem more awesome than ever, yay for my Telvanni character. I agree with some opinion that perhaps spells with raw magic power could see greater bonuses from the Altmer or Bretons though.

Orc is looking better than ever, and more like what I reckoned an Argonian would be.

The loss in health regeneration is probably going to irk players who had 30% Robust a while back. I can understand the line of thinking that moved this, but I suspect Khajiit tanks might be a little miffed.

All of these changes are great, but I really think you might consider offering us templates for each race that suited the following: Mag Dps/Heals, Tank, Stam DPS. If we had to choose between selection in each of these areas, perhaps this would open up more races to the masses. Its just a thought. This might balance the 'play how you want' with 'you take a huge hit for picking the character model you'd like to'. Each race could still be unique and have unique niches. I wish I could remember who to credit with this idea, but its one I like.

I also think they need to get rid of the whole notion of percentage-based attribute bonuses. This is the alternate to creating different passives for each race-role. By making the bonuses from each race a static, level/CP-based number, you can be an Orc mage without diminishing the bonuses you get from being an Orc. At any regard these are my two solutions to a system that was tainted by a shift from overcharging/soft caps to no caps (which isn't exactly true, damage mitigation is still capped).

Breton racials need to be looked at, they feel very underwhelming now compared to what other races are getting. A negligible cost reduction and spell resistance don't make Bretons particularly good at anything and other races' pasives outperform Breton's in all traditional magicka roles (heal and dps).

What is the reason people would like to pick a Breton? Here's a few suggestions:

1- Make Bretons excel at magic damage or spell damage. Giving a % increase to either of those stats (following part of Nifty's suggestion). Some people might complain this is not lore friendly, well, a pact between argonians and dunmer was not "lore friendly" until ESO launched either.... (this racial benefit magicka templar, magicka NBs and PVP sorcs).

2- Make Bretons excel at converting damage taken into magic damage or spell damage. In line with this new "opportunist" tittle and similar to how heavy armor passives work. It can either be any damage, or just magic and/or elemental damage. This can be more lore friendly to those lore purists in terms of using Breton's natural spell resistance in their favor. (this racial benefit solo gameplay and PVP).

3- Make Bretons the kings of sustained magicka. Similar to previous suggestion, but in this case convert damage taken to a % or flat amount of magicka back or convert damage done to a % or flat amount of magicka back. With this suggestion the idea is making Bretons the ideal race for long fights relieving a bit the usual stress on resources, which was btw what Bretons did best pre 1.6 (this racial benefit raiding, PVP, especially for healer role).

What do you think about the changes?
Nice to see some of the weaker races buffed up a bit to be competitive

Are there any that you feel are too strong compared to the others? Too weak?
Redguards are still going to be THE stamina meta for PvP now. Was hoping they would finally do something about Adrenaline Rush but it seems that this is the intended balance. There's just no passive like it that provides a huge boost to sustain through stacking max stamina.

Seen some concerns about Khajiit. It's maybe slightly much, but doesnt seem particularly overwhelming in a PvP setting.

Did you encounter any issues with the new Racial Passive changes?
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Are the changes going to make you change your character's race? If so, why?
Currently an imperial stamina dragonknight. Seriously considering changing my race to redguard because redguards' adrenaline rush passive just makes them so much more sustainable. Easily 800+ "free" stamina regen from that passive alone if you have close to 40k max stamina and put constant pressure on a target. The Red Diamond passive is effectively irrelevant compared to this and after a decent amount of duelling I really don't think imperials are even remotely competitive to redguards in a PvP environment. For PvE, I think the free sustain is amazing for sustained DPS during tough encounters in trials and the like too.

Would really rather play my character the way I created her and have grown to love her but I don't think there's much of a choice here. At least I can change my race now, eh...

Are the changes going to encourage you to adjust your current build? If so, how?
Will switch to more offensive gear sets that provide more max stamina and weapon damage since I no longer need much recovery at all after the switch to redguard.

I was under the impression that unlimited resources were a bad thing, why is Redguard Adrenaline Rush still in the game?

Other than that, pretty happy overall with changes, nothing too alarming other than Khajiit ganker potential getting better