You guys want a lot from a simple and casual system for decorating a space. This is not the Sims or even Minecraft. I’m very excited and will visit houses from the list. Thanks ZoS.

I am not a housing enthusiast, but I do think Cardinal and the housing team are gifted and that the housing system is one of (if not) the best MMOs have to offer - but the clear feedback from housing enthusiasts here points to a series of real QoL requests (i.e. armor racks, crafting station improvements, etc.) that could/should have been at least partially addressed in one way or another, even if only notionally to acknowledge clear QoL requests. As someone who is not a housing enthusiast (but has admired the efforts of guildmates), I will use and enjoy this system.

I do like a number of the QoL updates such as mount viewing and gear curation (wasn't clear if this included Cyro monster set coffers). Looks like a decent expansion of IA as well.

What I found missing was the "bug fixes", where Matt had previously mentioned Q3 updates would focus on "quality of life" and "bug fixes" (referencing performance). To me, there remain a half-dozen long-standing bugs and performance issues that many players would love to hear about. Players I regularly interact with feel the same way. Examples:

• stuck in combat
• cannot effectively group queue for dungeons with tank or healer lead
• various dungeon bug fixes
• pvp server performance issues
• companion perk toggles

I didn't want to respond with another "No" as the stream was generally positive, but it did not quite scratch my ESO itch. That said, wishing the ESO team continued improvement and success with player communication and feedback, with each and every update. In this department, it appears ESO leadership still lags well behind the player feedback breakthroughs and corresponding support systems that eventually happened and have been more fully developed at FF14, POE, and WOW.

Some popular universal QoL requests still looking for include (even if some for ESO+ members only):

• ability to join more than 5 guilds
• ability to share pledge quests
• inventory expansion of any kind (housing chests, etc.), and
• universal survey storage/access in that elusive craft-bag side pocket Shalidor was working on...

P.S. I also thought Jessica did a good job of contributing to the stream at key moments, helping to keep an at times meandering stream on track.

It keeps occurring to me that this is the point I left WoW. And Rift and GW2 and Swtor ...

Gating things that should be available to casuals. Putting things people don't want to do in endeavors or locking it behind a dlc we don't have.

I looked today at all the things they have added in last 4 years and I do very little of them.

I don't chase leads for mythics or play that stupid card game in HI. I don't use companions and after doing the Scribing quest on two chars I don't think I'll use that skill much. I made one and all I experienced was regret at wasting the inks.

I succumbed to the hype and bought Gold Road against my better judgement.

I surely wished I had listened to myself as I fine most of Gold Road lacking substance.

I'll start with the positive: Having a way to publicly list a home in a catalogue is a great idea, and I've used add-ons for that! The tagging system is essential to be able to see different styles. I like seeing what other people come up with. At least we are getting something new for Infinite Archive, which was starting to feel a bit repetitive.

HOWEVER, I have a huge issue with the ability to 'upvote' homes, especially considering you can see who visits your house. If I visit a house, and don't upvote it, now that player knows and could troll/false report/block me just for that. Or worse, if it's someone with a social media following, they can get their followers to go after people (even if it's unintentional on their part, fans can be crazy).

For actual contests, if you had the ability for a guild to let people submit homes to a separate temporary list that might be okay. Still easy to abuse with social media/fans though. But in general I see the voting part being abused way too easily.

As it stands, as much as I love doing housing, unless they remove the 'upvoting' part, I am not willing to risk using it and being forced to upvote EVERY house I look at for fear of being mass false-reported. This was my favorite aspect of ESO, and now I feel like I can't share it anymore without risking my account.

Also, really sad that the new Alinor style house is only a Medium, when they said players were asking for medium homes I got the shocked pikachu face. Players (from what I have seen) want medium homes in terms of the actual in game area, but with the higher item limit. Instead they gave us the right sized home physically with the smaller item limit, which feels... bad. Especially because that home would have been a new favorite, but now with the 'upvoting' being implemented and the low item limit, I am feeling discouraged about where the housing system is headed. I've played games with housing voting systems, and I have yet to see one that didn't end up misused and players quitting over it.

It was advertised as a new system.

How is just posting your house in a search tab a system?
 

Telos_Tim wrote: »

wullger wrote: »

For a large chunk of the playerbase, I think we'd all really like to stop being held back by the console limitations, both in furnishing counts and the awful, awful base and early game textures.

^Misinformation and Bait, yet comments like these never seem to be taken down.

ESO is held back by its engine first and foremost. Games with thousands of explosions and map destruction with bullet tracing and fully customized characters can be played on an original Xbox One and they work perfectly fine. Zero crashing. Zero stuttering. Yet you can’t even walk around in a solo instance on ESO without your game dropping to 20-30fps on those consoles.

Funny enough, PCs of a lower spec than the oldest gen of consoles are still supported. If ZOS wanted to increase furnishing counts, or add better textures, they have both the tools and funding to do so… but they won’t.

Raising the floor on the specs required to play would cut off far more ESO players on PC than console players.

What it really boils down to is an upper management decision, and whether they want to invest the resources to “Fortnite” ESO.

It's not bait, I'm inferring based on this post and prior discussions over the years:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512076/february-2020-furnishing-limit-status-update

"One of the most frequent requests we receive in regards to housing is the desire to increase the furnishing cap. While we have touched on this before, we just wanted to reiterate that the upper-most furnishing limits are in place to avoid serious performance issues. While the core design philosophy behind housing is to give you the creative freedom to decorate the way you want to, we have to ensure that it is a stable experience for you and your visitors as well, regardless of anyone’s platform or hardware specifications.

That being said, improving performance is not a magic bullet solution for raising the furnishing cap in houses. “Performance” is a blanket term that encompasses frame rate, stability, memory usage, and other metrics related to how the game runs. Right now, setups that hit the minimum specifications can still struggle with homes that are fully decorated with relatively high impact furnishings."

There's no willful misinformation here, just drawing conclusions. Based on their specs and age, I assume (perhaps wrongly so) that the old gen consoles are holding things back. Age alone isn't enough to determine if a system can handle the load or not, but you have to figure the older APUs on a console, less overall RAM, and slower core speeds probably has quite an impact.

I don't like housing in MMO's at all personally. Gz for the housing folks but it's never been for me, kind of a dead update. At most I like to decorate a tiny inn room every now and then but the furnishing limits kinda kill that joy quick. What the heck is a 'special furnishing' anyway and why can I only have one or two?

wullger wrote: »

Telos_Tim wrote: »

wullger wrote: »

For a large chunk of the playerbase, I think we'd all really like to stop being held back by the console limitations, both in furnishing counts and the awful, awful base and early game textures.

^Misinformation and Bait, yet comments like these never seem to be taken down.

ESO is held back by its engine first and foremost. Games with thousands of explosions and map destruction with bullet tracing and fully customized characters can be played on an original Xbox One and they work perfectly fine. Zero crashing. Zero stuttering. Yet you can’t even walk around in a solo instance on ESO without your game dropping to 20-30fps on those consoles.

Funny enough, PCs of a lower spec than the oldest gen of consoles are still supported. If ZOS wanted to increase furnishing counts, or add better textures, they have both the tools and funding to do so… but they won’t.

Raising the floor on the specs required to play would cut off far more ESO players on PC than console players.

What it really boils down to is an upper management decision, and whether they want to invest the resources to “Fortnite” ESO.

It's not bait, I'm inferring based on this post and prior discussions over the years:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/512076/february-2020-furnishing-limit-status-update

"One of the most frequent requests we receive in regards to housing is the desire to increase the furnishing cap. While we have touched on this before, we just wanted to reiterate that the upper-most furnishing limits are in place to avoid serious performance issues. While the core design philosophy behind housing is to give you the creative freedom to decorate the way you want to, we have to ensure that it is a stable experience for you and your visitors as well, regardless of anyone’s platform or hardware specifications.

That being said, improving performance is not a magic bullet solution for raising the furnishing cap in houses. “Performance” is a blanket term that encompasses frame rate, stability, memory usage, and other metrics related to how the game runs. Right now, setups that hit the minimum specifications can still struggle with homes that are fully decorated with relatively high impact furnishings."

There's no willful misinformation here, just drawing conclusions. Based on their specs and age, I assume (perhaps wrongly so) that the old gen consoles are holding things back. Age alone isn't enough to determine if a system can handle the load or not, but you have to figure the older APUs on a console, less overall RAM, and slower core speeds probably has quite an impact.

I've played or tested most of the major MMOs and many minor ones over the years. I've seen too many times when a company said "We can't do that" with or without reasons, then turn around later and do exactly what they said they couldn't do, to believe that ZOS CAN'T change the furnishing limits. It's not that they can't; they just don't want to.

At the very least, let's talk inn rooms, the house that every player has. I find that I can usually fit all the major furnishings and enough detail to make it cozy within 30 items, at least in the normal sized rooms. But I'm always left feeling like I wish I had just a few more items to make it really complete. It shouldn't be that big a deal to take inn rooms from 15/30 to 20/40 items, or even 30/60. Especially since the inn rooms in Necrom and Gold Road are bigger than some of the 100-item staple houses and it's hard to visually fill them with only 30 items.

hiyde wrote: »

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

This is so funny. I loved that commercial too! Thank you for the voice of reason 😂

The home list for visiting seems especially nice for console housing enthusiasts. I don't know how it works though.

The Five Companions house is lovely. I think the structure needs a back door.

The new arenas for the infinite archive looks good and there are more class sets added. I haven't looked at those yet.

For some unknown reason I thought we might get an interactive ladder.

Parasaurolophus wrote: »

You guys want a lot from a simple and casual system for decorating a space. This is not the Sims or even Minecraft. I’m very excited and will visit houses from the list. Thanks ZoS.

Well why not? I’m not interested in the type of housing that be built in those games even if I otherwise liked them (so not for me).

My opinion on this feature has been shifting, trying to see all the perspectives as much as I can. It is a good additional feature, like the armory, but wasn’t that added at the same time as a DLC? I think it reasonable to expect more substantial QoL updates and/or new features when it’s taking the place of two new dungeons. I didn’t have unrealistic hopes of furnishing slots or furnishing bags, as awesome as either would be, but something more… it could have paired well with weather control or setting the point of entry to your house and those set up the scene, the mood, the story you want to tell.

As far s expectations, interestingly, another MMORPG is introducing housing on their newest extension in August. To be fair, it looks like it will not have (at least not yet) many great features of ESO housing, including lot of plot to choose from or collect and own, but it will include features like displaying your weapons and armor (replicas I think, more to show off your collections and accomplishments than storage), the ability to resize furnishings, interact with mounts, and place up to thirty of your alts in your home instance.