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Feedback for the housing feature and update (poll)

  • spartaxoxo
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    Yes
    Syldras wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    They just mentioned that Q3's QOL change was for housing as part of the roadmap. QOL updates are small things.

    They said "Housing feature & QoL improvements":

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    By wording it like this, it looks like the housing thing is not supposed to be QoL, but beyond that.

    That's true. They should have said and "other" Quality of Life improvements. But, they announced a couple of years ago that Q3 will now just be dedicated to QOL and Bug Fixes, so that they can make bigger new systems for Quarter 4. This is also why the small zone dlc and Q3 was scrapped. We aren't going to get anything big in Q3 for the foreseeable (by the players) future.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 5, 2024 3:40AM
  • RomanRex
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    No
    4/5 players hate this update
  • Bethgael
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    No
    I'm still hoping they add an apple tree. You know, the ones in-game since Craglorn. Every year I ask.... /sigh

    At least we got grape vines, finally. I could have hoped for more of the lush type, but beggars and choice and all. ;)

    This will be good for the cliquey housing guilds who have the same players win contests over and over again though. I'm not being snarky, even if it sounds like it, honest. Beginner housers don't stand a chance because they usually are too new to have all the bits and pieces. that's fine if that's the focus of a guild, but it doesn't make this feature more inclusive, in fact I'm now less likely to "show off' a house since my houses aren't always intended to be pretty or "wowsome" but more suited to particular characters for Reasons. Someone who knows the character will understand it and enjoy how clever I've been (hehe), but most won't.

    But I hope the housing guilds have fun with the feature. It's just... not the "popular" YAY housing help feature that we're all supposedly hoping for (and ZoS once again failed to manage expectations by overdoing their "YOU'LL JUST LOVE THIS" schtick by hyping a big _housing change_ when really what happened was they added something to the housing UI that consoles can now access while PC players have been using that addon instead. Good for console players, don't get me wrong, but not a HUGE housing change YAY). Nope, people hoped for what was an extremely popular request: that's more amalgamated furnishings and/or more slots so we're actually able to fill those massive houses we keep being offered, or if impossible a change in slot types or being able to use alts in housing [something I asked for--and I doubt I was the only one--back before visitors first dropped].

    Basic marketing failure, in other words. Your marketing dpt need to go back to school.

    And as an Australian who had to stay up until 3am to catch the stream, only to have the stream not even start on time--c'mon, guys. Really.

    I am really happy about the wee medium house though. That's a nice one.
    Edited by Bethgael on July 5, 2024 4:18AM
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  • Estin
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    I was really hoping for more slots, especially on homes that need it like the antique gallery. Ebonheart chateau is smaller than the gallery yet has more slots available, so it just feels very disproportionate/standardized. It's demotivating when you come up with a great idea for a home only for you to notice that you're at 350/600 slots and aren't even halfway done with decorating the house.

    I would also do anything to have bards as house guests in our homes. They're just an NPC that plays music just like a music box, so I don't see why they refuse to add them. It's an untapped market as well. They could easily sell chapter specific bards for 2500 crowns.

    And the teleport animation needs to go away when porting from a wayshrine. No other instanced location does this. If it's because there's wayshrines in instanced locations, then let us place them in our homes too so we can set the spawn point and give more value to homes that are far from wayshrines. There are many houses, crown store exclusive ones included, that are ultimately worthless since they're so far from a wayshrine.
  • JHartEllis
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    No
    There are a lot of feasible changes ZOS could make to keep housing relevant and to grow that player base, and I don't think this update does that. I'm deeply concerned by the lack of progress.
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  • Tsuriel
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    No
    Had my hopes on a furnishing bag, free moving camera when decorating and more slots, the rest in terms of dissapointment and whatnot speaks for itself. It's truly unfortunate that one has to experience these outcomes after all that waiting.
  • OnnuK
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    No
    This is the first time I ever skipped an update stream. There is no more hype or expectation for me.
    Unfortunately I was right. I love housing but this update is just a minor change. Where is the increase in housing slots or the other requested housing feature from us?
    The game is growing with the new furnitures but your capacity to use them is same.
    Looks like 2024 will be standby mode just "log in, get endeavor, logout".
    Edited by OnnuK on July 5, 2024 5:56AM
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  • aetherial_heavenn
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    I am pleased older console and no add on PC/Mac players now have the same functionality that Cardinal made for EHT years ago to allow touring for guild comps, inspiration, role play, games, etc. etc easier. And for those who are unfamiliar with that functionality: you do NOT have to publish your house so you can NOT be trolled at whim. You can NOT be locked out of your own house. You CAN control who can interact with lights etc by allocating guilds, or individuals, different permissions under the EHT /housing hub system, so I assume this functionality will be available in the base game improvement.

    Wishes
    *I'd love more slots, particularly in bigger houses.
    *I use master recipe list add on to see what I can make but being able to do so as part of in game functionality would be nice for those who won't/can't use this add on----like a searchable menu or furniture crafting table as suggested.
    *I'd like to be able to decon crafted furnishings and get back at least some style mats ( stendarr stamps etc) and furnishing mats (heartwood etc). This would help with storage issues. Housers keep lots of stuff because it's so expensive to make.
    *I'd like a polish of early houses and furnishings so they align correctly, windows were windows, and high elf furniture for example doesn't look like it was made by a primary school class
    *I'd love a furniture craft bag. I know players who have bought multiple houses to store items. I wonder if this is the reason they won't give us a storage bag?

    BUT there are some basic options that don't require the number overall of house slots to increase but would be decent QoL improvements short term.
    1.-making all 830 slots usable in whatever way the player chooses rather than being limited by type, which would still limit the data storage issues for the game, but gives us some extra flexibility. When you can't even display all the in game dungeon and trial trophies, or all pets, or all antiquities in one house it's pretty bad. (Made this suggestion multiple times.)
    2- even increasing the size of all the storage chests to all being 60 slots would be a welcome start.

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    Edited by aetherial_heavenn on July 5, 2024 6:27AM
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  • Mizael
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    Unsure yet
    The problem is that it is not a new feature, doesn't add anything new to what you can do, it is just an UI addiction, which is even similar to EHT hub. So indeed disappointed.
  • KV_Tootn
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    I was realy hoping for furnishing slot improvment , even if it was thru crown store. like extra 100 slots . But looks like they never listen to players.|
    I have few biger houses that all fully furnished to limit but feel emppty becxause the potential is there, but buget is not there Psygic manor i furnished the outside nicely, but now the inside is empty so i live just outside :) ... There were so much room for improvment but they chose not to do..
    Scrybing - disepointment
    Housing improvment - disepointment

    PSA:its not bashing.. Its just a honest opinion.
    Edited by KV_Tootn on July 5, 2024 1:26PM
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  • KV_Tootn
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    No
    I am pleased older console and no add on PC/Mac players now have the same functionality that Cardinal made for EHT years ago to allow touring for guild comps, inspiration, role play, games, etc. etc easier. And for those who are unfamiliar with that functionality: you do NOT have to publish your house so you can NOT be trolled at whim. You can NOT be locked out of your own house. You CAN control who can interact with lights etc by allocating guilds, or individuals, different permissions under the EHT /housing hub system, so I assume this functionality will be available in the base game improvement.

    Wishes
    *I'd love more slots, particularly in bigger houses.
    *I use master recipe list add on to see what I can make but being able to do so as part of in game functionality would be nice for those who won't/can't use this add on----like a searchable menu or furniture crafting table as suggested.
    *I'd like to be able to decon crafted furnishings and get back at least some style mats ( stendarr stamps etc) and furnishing mats (heartwood etc). This would help with storage issues. Housers keep lots of stuff because it's so expensive to make.
    *I'd like a polish of early houses and furnishings so they align correctly, windows were windows, and high elf furniture for example doesn't look like it was made by a primary school class
    *I'd love a furniture craft bag. I know players who have bought multiple houses to store items. I wonder if this is the reason they won't give us a storage bag?

    BUT there are some basic options that don't require the number overall of house slots to increase but would be decent QoL improvements short term.
    1.-making all 830 slots usable in whatever way the player chooses rather than being limited by type, which would still limit the data storage issues for the game, but gives us some extra flexibility. When you can't even display all the in game dungeon and trial trophies, or all pets, or all antiquities in one house it's pretty bad. (Made this suggestion multiple times.)
    2- even increasing the size of all the storage chests to all being 60 slots would be a welcome start.

    edited

    Totaly agree on all the points of this. this how the update should look like.
    Edited by KV_Tootn on July 5, 2024 1:48PM
    Ork * Templar * CP1762 * DPS*Tank-fulltime*
    High elf*Sorcerer*DPS
    High elf*Arcanist*Dps
  • DenverRalphy
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    No
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »

    I imagine the mistake is not in adding it into games, or even the description that it's highly requested and long anticipated. These things were true for console. It's that it was the highlight of Q3, when most of the game's core PC players already have it.

    So, a lot of people anticipated something more universally requested and badly needed.

    The popularity contest/voting is a problem. Other than that, it's a great update for console players. But since it is worthless to PC players... it should have NEVER been hyped up as this big mystery housing update for months.

    I have been speculating what big feature housing was going to get since January. It was the center of an entire update!

    We got to pick the time of day for housing. That was HUGE. Such an amazing update!!! And that was not hyped up like this was.

    With the way this was hyped up, we expected update 43 main feature to be something players have been asking for.
    • Something to help with item limit issues
    • Weapon/armor racks
    • Gardening
    • 600 slot homes now 700 slots
    • 700 slots for outdoor decor, 700 slots for indoor decor. For homes with an instanced building.
    • The option to remove pre-existing buildings from our homes
    • Being able to buy multiple versions of a home for different decoration ideas
    • Weather control
    • Choosing the teleport point of entry.
    • More water furnishings, like small area water we can add to kitchen sinks or player-made bathtubs

    They have been doing roadmaps for a while now, since players asked for that. They haven't been hyping it up for months. They just mentioned that Q3's QOL change was for housing as part of the roadmap. QOL updates are small things. They save the big stuff for the chapter release (Q2) and then the Q4 release.

    Last Q3 was the group finder.

    To be fair, they actually kinda did really hype it up. Sure the roadmap shows a benign reference. But during the pre-repurchase promotion and preview for Gold Road, and what to look forward to during the Full Year of 10th Annversary Celebrations stream, they really promoted the Q3 housing release with words lke "Big", "Huge", "Exciting", etc.. Which was when the housing community started to get excited. Well before this particular roadmap graphic came about.

    And then they followed that up with the Sword Singer's Redoubt giveaway, that was tagged with the sentence "Speaking of spectacular, this house could be hinting at something special! You’ll have to wait and see…"

    Then followed that up with the Housing themed Endeavors, and a couple of furnishing giveaways, which was yet more hype that something big was coming.
    Edited by DenverRalphy on July 5, 2024 2:20PM
  • spartaxoxo
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    Yes
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »

    I imagine the mistake is not in adding it into games, or even the description that it's highly requested and long anticipated. These things were true for console. It's that it was the highlight of Q3, when most of the game's core PC players already have it.

    So, a lot of people anticipated something more universally requested and badly needed.

    The popularity contest/voting is a problem. Other than that, it's a great update for console players. But since it is worthless to PC players... it should have NEVER been hyped up as this big mystery housing update for months.

    I have been speculating what big feature housing was going to get since January. It was the center of an entire update!

    We got to pick the time of day for housing. That was HUGE. Such an amazing update!!! And that was not hyped up like this was.

    With the way this was hyped up, we expected update 43 main feature to be something players have been asking for.
    • Something to help with item limit issues
    • Weapon/armor racks
    • Gardening
    • 600 slot homes now 700 slots
    • 700 slots for outdoor decor, 700 slots for indoor decor. For homes with an instanced building.
    • The option to remove pre-existing buildings from our homes
    • Being able to buy multiple versions of a home for different decoration ideas
    • Weather control
    • Choosing the teleport point of entry.
    • More water furnishings, like small area water we can add to kitchen sinks or player-made bathtubs

    They have been doing roadmaps for a while now, since players asked for that. They haven't been hyping it up for months. They just mentioned that Q3's QOL change was for housing as part of the roadmap. QOL updates are small things. They save the big stuff for the chapter release (Q2) and then the Q4 release.

    Last Q3 was the group finder.

    To be fair, they actually kinda did really hype it up. Sure the roadmap shows a benign reference. But during the pre-repurchase promotion and preview for Gold Road, and what to look forward to during the Full Year of 10th Annversary Celebrations stream, they really promoted the Q3 housing release with words lke "Big", "Huge", "Exciting", etc.. Which was when the housing community started to get excited. Well before this particular roadmap graphic came about.

    And then they followed that up with the Sword Singer's Redoubt giveaway, that was tagged with the sentence "Speaking of spectacular, this house could be hinting at something special! You’ll have to wait and see…"

    Then followed that up with the Housing themed Endeavors, and a couple of furnishing giveaways, which was yet more hype that something big was coming.

    If someone got hyped on the endeavors, that's not really ZOS telling them to get hype for Q3. They were doing early years promo during that time. Wrothgar, Thieves Guild, etc all got focus during that time.

    I'm not saying I don't understand the disappointment, but expecting something they have explicitly stated isn't going to happen because it's literally not possible technically and then being disappointed it didn't happen is certainly not on ZOS.

    I didn't see any advertisement for Q3 outside of a mention in the gold road stream, and the entire year is always hyped on that.

    If merely mentioning something during the stream that touches on the year ahead is creating huge hype, and not mentioning it is showing bad communication, then they're just going to have to start doing anti-hype messaging when they see people getting carried away, I suppose. Reminding people they already told you that you're not getting slots might have helped. IDK.

    Ultimately, it's on them to manage expectations. And clearly, they didn't do a good enough job of that.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 5, 2024 7:39PM
  • Ayalockheart
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    No
    I don’t think I need to say anything cause you all said it already. But found I this very interesting.

    w2sxfvmcf2fy.jpeg
    PC-EU @ayalockheart Open House List
    • Hall of Lunar Champion - Crystal Palace
    • Moon Sugar Meadow - Nordic Cabin ( Hytta )
    • Sleek Creek - Ivory Oasis
    • Earthtear Cavern - Welkynd Ruins
    • Dawnshadow - Château Blanc
    • The Gorinir Estate - Homestead
    • Thieve's Oasis - (WIP - on hold)
    • Black Vine Villa - TSS Rumare
    • Pariah Pinnacle - Frostguard Fortress
    • Forgemaster Falls - Fogimasuta Ryokan
    • Alinor Crest House - Halloween Party House ~ Will be open on 31/10/23
    • Cyrodilic Jungle House - Golden Mug Caffe
    • Stay Moist Mansion - Emberfall
    • Hunter's Glade - Lost Cult
    • Coldharbour Surreal State - The Pridwen
    • Velothi Reverie - The Perl among corals
    • Exorcised Coven Cottage - The Ground's Keeper Hut
    • Ravenhurst - The Drowsy Stag
    • Captain Margaux- Hallix's Elixirs
    • Flaming Nix - Hare Pines Cottage
    • Stillwaters Retreat - Hogsmeade
    • Panterfang Chapel - Seacrest Fort
    • Domus Phrasticus - Mielikki
    • Hammerdeath Bungalow - The Cottage
    • Mornouth Keep - Ivybury Estate
    • Serenity Falls - [WIP ]
    Comissions done
    Housing Guilds: Ars Gratia
  • spartaxoxo
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    Yes
    I don’t think I need to say anything cause you all said it already. But found I this very interesting.

    w2sxfvmcf2fy.jpeg

    When was this? Interesting that they might be collaborative on ideas/work.
  • Ayalockheart
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    No
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    I don’t think I need to say anything cause you all said it already. But found I this very interesting.

    w2sxfvmcf2fy.jpeg

    When was this? Interesting that they might be collaborative on ideas/work.

    The 76’s PTS patch notes came out today.
    ESO PTS come out monday.

    I will keep my thoughts to myself, but do the math.
    Edited by Ayalockheart on July 5, 2024 8:10PM
    PC-EU @ayalockheart Open House List
    • Hall of Lunar Champion - Crystal Palace
    • Moon Sugar Meadow - Nordic Cabin ( Hytta )
    • Sleek Creek - Ivory Oasis
    • Earthtear Cavern - Welkynd Ruins
    • Dawnshadow - Château Blanc
    • The Gorinir Estate - Homestead
    • Thieve's Oasis - (WIP - on hold)
    • Black Vine Villa - TSS Rumare
    • Pariah Pinnacle - Frostguard Fortress
    • Forgemaster Falls - Fogimasuta Ryokan
    • Alinor Crest House - Halloween Party House ~ Will be open on 31/10/23
    • Cyrodilic Jungle House - Golden Mug Caffe
    • Stay Moist Mansion - Emberfall
    • Hunter's Glade - Lost Cult
    • Coldharbour Surreal State - The Pridwen
    • Velothi Reverie - The Perl among corals
    • Exorcised Coven Cottage - The Ground's Keeper Hut
    • Ravenhurst - The Drowsy Stag
    • Captain Margaux- Hallix's Elixirs
    • Flaming Nix - Hare Pines Cottage
    • Stillwaters Retreat - Hogsmeade
    • Panterfang Chapel - Seacrest Fort
    • Domus Phrasticus - Mielikki
    • Hammerdeath Bungalow - The Cottage
    • Mornouth Keep - Ivybury Estate
    • Serenity Falls - [WIP ]
    Comissions done
    Housing Guilds: Ars Gratia
  • spartaxoxo
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    Yes
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    I don’t think I need to say anything cause you all said it already. But found I this very interesting.

    w2sxfvmcf2fy.jpeg

    When was this? Interesting that they might be collaborative on ideas/work.

    The 76’s PTS patch notes came out today.
    ESO PTS come out monday.

    I will keep my thoughts to myself, but do the math.

    So, they must have needed each other's assistance to make this possible. Behind the scenes, this must have been a massive amount of work.
  • Alinhbo_Tyaka
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    I don’t think I need to say anything cause you all said it already. But found I this very interesting.

    w2sxfvmcf2fy.jpeg

    I saw that today too. I suspect you and I had similar thoughts about its timing compared to ESO. It also wasn't something a lot of the player base was clamoring for.
  • Syldras
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    No
    I will keep my thoughts to myself, but do the math.

    Maybe someone should finally give them an award for all their recycling efforts.
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  • Ayalockheart
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    No
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    So, they must have needed each other's assistance to make this possible. Behind the scenes, this must have been a massive amount of work.

    It’s the same engine.. functionality wise is the same thing.. just UI is different…
    PC-EU @ayalockheart Open House List
    • Hall of Lunar Champion - Crystal Palace
    • Moon Sugar Meadow - Nordic Cabin ( Hytta )
    • Sleek Creek - Ivory Oasis
    • Earthtear Cavern - Welkynd Ruins
    • Dawnshadow - Château Blanc
    • The Gorinir Estate - Homestead
    • Thieve's Oasis - (WIP - on hold)
    • Black Vine Villa - TSS Rumare
    • Pariah Pinnacle - Frostguard Fortress
    • Forgemaster Falls - Fogimasuta Ryokan
    • Alinor Crest House - Halloween Party House ~ Will be open on 31/10/23
    • Cyrodilic Jungle House - Golden Mug Caffe
    • Stay Moist Mansion - Emberfall
    • Hunter's Glade - Lost Cult
    • Coldharbour Surreal State - The Pridwen
    • Velothi Reverie - The Perl among corals
    • Exorcised Coven Cottage - The Ground's Keeper Hut
    • Ravenhurst - The Drowsy Stag
    • Captain Margaux- Hallix's Elixirs
    • Flaming Nix - Hare Pines Cottage
    • Stillwaters Retreat - Hogsmeade
    • Panterfang Chapel - Seacrest Fort
    • Domus Phrasticus - Mielikki
    • Hammerdeath Bungalow - The Cottage
    • Mornouth Keep - Ivybury Estate
    • Serenity Falls - [WIP ]
    Comissions done
    Housing Guilds: Ars Gratia
  • Jimbru
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    No
    Once again, ZOS is "generously giving" players a "feature" they didn't ask for, and ignoring what players actually want. Tales of Tribute and Scribing already followed that path; both are sitting ignored on my account. Now we have this "tour" thing for housing which is basically a ripoff of something you could already do with the EHT addon.

    Let's be clear, ZOS. Here is what players REALLY want from housing:

    1. Raise the furnishing limits on every size of house.

    2. Add a furnishing bag to ESO+ similar to the crafting bag.

    3. Every furnishing that can be seen in the game world should be available to players as a furnishing plan. Many styles have MANY missing pieces that can be seen in the game, but aren't available as furnishing plans. Alinor, Elsweyr, Leyawiin, High Isle, and Colovian are particularly guilty of this. I can also think of a particular Redguard bed that is only available for crowns in one house, an Imperial throne that is only in one or two houses, the full laundry basket found in many houses, the black ink pot with a white plume that can be seen many places (Alinor bank comes to mind) and of course THE ENTIRE IMPERIAL STYLE that is only available for crowns.

    That's the minimum that most players are asking for. More space for furnishings, both in houses and in storage, and more plans to play with. To that I add:

    4. Houses that are built like real houses. Frankly, most of the houses in game need to be remade in some way. They need flat walls, flat floors, better size scaling to our characters, and proper purpose, structure and symmetry. NOT the following:
    - Mismatched or asymmetrical placements of walls and windows. (Ravenhurst mezzanine, High Isle inn room, many others).
    - Floors that aren't flat and impossible to carpet. Floors should have only one level. (Orbservatory, Pariah's Pinnacle, Xanmeer, Wood Elf style, Argonian style, many others).
    - Misaligned textures and un-centered windows (most houses, High Isle inn room being especially bad).
    - Wall pillars taking up too much space (Nord and High Elf styles in general, Mara's Kiss especially needs totally rebuilt).
    - Huge doors and high ceilings that look like they were designed for trolls and ogres, not relatively human sized players (most houses). Many/most furnishings are oversized as well.

    5. Expand and simplify the buyable storage boxes. At a minimum, make all eight boxes sixty items each. Combining them all into one expandable box like our bank, starts at 60 and upgrades to equal the original eight boxes, would be even better.

    6. Chamber pots and/or indoor plumbing. There is only one actual privy in the game, available only in one particular set associated with the Jester's Festival. Some house builders have come up with some very creative solutions to this problem, but it really shouldn't be a problem in the first place. I mean, let's face it: flushing toilets have been around in the real world since Mesopotamia in 3200 BCE. Item suggestion: a "Peryite Chamber Pot" with glowing green runes, home to a filthy minor daedra that gets rid of your waste for you.
  • Alaztor91
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    No
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    So, they must have needed each other's assistance to make this possible. Behind the scenes, this must have been a massive amount of work.

    It’s the same engine.. functionality wise is the same thing.. just UI is different…

    If you mean F76 and ESO it's not the same engine. F76 is an upgraded version of the F4/Skyrim Creation Engine which in turn was an upgraded version of the F3/FNV/Oblivion Gamebryo Engine.

    ESO uses a modified HeroEngine afaik.

  • Rkindaleft
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    Unsure yet
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
    I mean, for console people it's a nice feature (and the two new houses don't look bad either), but why make a big announcement about it and call it a new housing feature? A few years ago that would have been considered a small quality of life update, nothing more.

    But plenty of players said they were happy to sacrifice quantity of updates for a higher quality game. Well, they got that feedback loud and clear.🤷🏿‍♀️
    .

    People still would happily do that but we didn't get quality first time around, nor the second. It was whole bunch of nothing, not what people would describe as quality update.

    Say something good, do something merely close to it but not what promised is a company's mantra at this point.

    I agree with the overall sentiment this shouldn't be the hype of a whole quarter. But for a totally different reason. I do actually think this is huge as far as Quality of Life features go. So, as a QOL feature, it deserves hype. But QOL should never be the main focus of a quarter. QOL is meant to be the cherry on top, not the whole dessert.

    I can’t speak for everyone, and I’m glad that this feature exists for those who will use it, but a big part of why I’m disappointed by the incoming update is that if we’re dropping 2 significant content releases a year (being Q3 Dungeons and a Q4 Zone) why are we getting such a small amount of improvements? They said last year when they announced that Q3 and Q4 will no longer be content releases that dropping content will allow ZOS to make big and meaningful changes, so where are those because I don’t see them?

    I understand that they can’t increase furnishing limits because of old gen console hardware issues, but this update wouldn’t have upset anyone if this wasn’t the only QoL change, I.E so you can store furniture easier, made it easier to see furniture plans you don’t own, make furnishing plans across crafting stations more consistent (I shouldn’t have to go to every station to see all the chairs I own.)

    We got lots of QoL changes alongside other updates. Curation, Stickerbook, Skill hybridisation - it all came with content releases, If this Housing “feature” was released 3+ years ago it would’ve been considered small enough to be a QoL change alongside the content and not one to base nearly the entire update around.

    Edited by Rkindaleft on July 5, 2024 9:26PM
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  • Ye_Olde_Crowe
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    No
    Well, with 100+ homes under my belt, I’d consider myself a housing nut. But, erm… I‘m so disinterested in showing off my homes that I skipped configuring the visitor settings of all of them minus one (for a guild meeting back in the days). Let‘s just say that I have no interest in using the housing tours feature at all. Mh, this is truly disappointing.

    Though I am, of course, interested in the new homes. As always.
    PC EU.

    =primarily PvH (Player vs. House)=
  • j3z3b3l
    j3z3b3l
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    No
    As a Console player I was disappointed as well. We already share links to get to houses, use the rosters as well. While this is a nice addition, it is not an upgrade, a major change or what it has been hyped up to be for months.
    Also, would like to point out that during the stream, mention of Console homes, was obsolete.
    No use of mods to help us out, a smaller community by comparison and yet we have some fantastic designers that work hard to put together some amazing builds.
    Two things we ask for all the time is a Furniture Bag and more Slots.
    The stream chat itself was filled with that request as well. Ignored entirely.
    It seemed to me that there was something lacking in the whole update or something missing.
    J3zdaz XBOX One NA
  • spartaxoxo
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    Yes
    Rkindaleft wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Syldras wrote: »
    I mean, for console people it's a nice feature (and the two new houses don't look bad either), but why make a big announcement about it and call it a new housing feature? A few years ago that would have been considered a small quality of life update, nothing more.

    But plenty of players said they were happy to sacrifice quantity of updates for a higher quality game. Well, they got that feedback loud and clear.🤷🏿‍♀️
    .

    People still would happily do that but we didn't get quality first time around, nor the second. It was whole bunch of nothing, not what people would describe as quality update.

    Say something good, do something merely close to it but not what promised is a company's mantra at this point.

    I agree with the overall sentiment this shouldn't be the hype of a whole quarter. But for a totally different reason. I do actually think this is huge as far as Quality of Life features go. So, as a QOL feature, it deserves hype. But QOL should never be the main focus of a quarter. QOL is meant to be the cherry on top, not the whole dessert.

    I can’t speak for everyone, and I’m glad that this feature exists for those who will use it, but a big part of why I’m disappointed by the incoming update is that if we’re dropping 2 significant content releases a year (being Q3 Dungeons and a Q4 Zone) why are we getting such a small amount of improvements? They said last year when they announced that Q3 and Q4 will no longer be content releases that dropping content will allow ZOS to make big and meaningful changes, so where are those because I don’t see them?

    I understand that they can’t increase furnishing limits because of old gen console hardware issues, but this update wouldn’t have upset anyone if this wasn’t the only QoL change, I.E so you can store furniture easier, made it easier to see furniture plans you don’t own, make furnishing plans across crafting stations more consistent (I shouldn’t have to go to every station to see all the chairs I own.)

    We got lots of QoL changes alongside other updates. Curation, Stickerbook, Skill hybridisation - it all came with content releases, If this Housing “feature” was released 3+ years ago it would’ve been considered small enough to be a QoL change alongside the content and not one to base nearly the entire update around.

    The big meaningful changes was about the Q4 system. Infinite Archive and now whatever this PvP thing will be. It's not Cyrodiil related but it should be so big that it replaces a small zone dlc and two dungeons.

    Quarter 3 is no longer a big quarter. It's only ever going to be small changes so they can something bigger in Quarter 4. You'll be a lot happier if you don't expect anything big ever during quarter 3
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 5, 2024 9:43PM
  • Ayalockheart
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    No
    Alaztor91 wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    So, they must have needed each other's assistance to make this possible. Behind the scenes, this must have been a massive amount of work.

    It’s the same engine.. functionality wise is the same thing.. just UI is different…

    If you mean F76 and ESO it's not the same engine. F76 is an upgraded version of the F4/Skyrim Creation Engine which in turn was an upgraded version of the F3/FNV/Oblivion Gamebryo Engine.

    ESO uses a modified HeroEngine afaik.

    Doesn’t matter, it’s just technicalities. The features are the same.
    PC-EU @ayalockheart Open House List
    • Hall of Lunar Champion - Crystal Palace
    • Moon Sugar Meadow - Nordic Cabin ( Hytta )
    • Sleek Creek - Ivory Oasis
    • Earthtear Cavern - Welkynd Ruins
    • Dawnshadow - Château Blanc
    • The Gorinir Estate - Homestead
    • Thieve's Oasis - (WIP - on hold)
    • Black Vine Villa - TSS Rumare
    • Pariah Pinnacle - Frostguard Fortress
    • Forgemaster Falls - Fogimasuta Ryokan
    • Alinor Crest House - Halloween Party House ~ Will be open on 31/10/23
    • Cyrodilic Jungle House - Golden Mug Caffe
    • Stay Moist Mansion - Emberfall
    • Hunter's Glade - Lost Cult
    • Coldharbour Surreal State - The Pridwen
    • Velothi Reverie - The Perl among corals
    • Exorcised Coven Cottage - The Ground's Keeper Hut
    • Ravenhurst - The Drowsy Stag
    • Captain Margaux- Hallix's Elixirs
    • Flaming Nix - Hare Pines Cottage
    • Stillwaters Retreat - Hogsmeade
    • Panterfang Chapel - Seacrest Fort
    • Domus Phrasticus - Mielikki
    • Hammerdeath Bungalow - The Cottage
    • Mornouth Keep - Ivybury Estate
    • Serenity Falls - [WIP ]
    Comissions done
    Housing Guilds: Ars Gratia
  • Ayalockheart
    Ayalockheart
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    No
    Jimbru wrote: »
    Once again, ZOS is "generously giving" players a "feature" they didn't ask for, and ignoring what players actually want. Tales of Tribute and Scribing already followed that path; both are sitting ignored on my account. Now we have this "tour" thing for housing which is basically a ripoff of something you could already do with the EHT addon.

    Yeah, very generous to allow me pay the same from previous years for less content 😉

    It’s a shareholders world after all 🙃
    PC-EU @ayalockheart Open House List
    • Hall of Lunar Champion - Crystal Palace
    • Moon Sugar Meadow - Nordic Cabin ( Hytta )
    • Sleek Creek - Ivory Oasis
    • Earthtear Cavern - Welkynd Ruins
    • Dawnshadow - Château Blanc
    • The Gorinir Estate - Homestead
    • Thieve's Oasis - (WIP - on hold)
    • Black Vine Villa - TSS Rumare
    • Pariah Pinnacle - Frostguard Fortress
    • Forgemaster Falls - Fogimasuta Ryokan
    • Alinor Crest House - Halloween Party House ~ Will be open on 31/10/23
    • Cyrodilic Jungle House - Golden Mug Caffe
    • Stay Moist Mansion - Emberfall
    • Hunter's Glade - Lost Cult
    • Coldharbour Surreal State - The Pridwen
    • Velothi Reverie - The Perl among corals
    • Exorcised Coven Cottage - The Ground's Keeper Hut
    • Ravenhurst - The Drowsy Stag
    • Captain Margaux- Hallix's Elixirs
    • Flaming Nix - Hare Pines Cottage
    • Stillwaters Retreat - Hogsmeade
    • Panterfang Chapel - Seacrest Fort
    • Domus Phrasticus - Mielikki
    • Hammerdeath Bungalow - The Cottage
    • Mornouth Keep - Ivybury Estate
    • Serenity Falls - [WIP ]
    Comissions done
    Housing Guilds: Ars Gratia
  • tom6143346
    tom6143346
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    No
    After 4 years of paying every month for eso plus it’s time to unsubscribe. Content get cuttet more and more and tbh why I should by a house for more then 100 € when I still need to have eso plus otherwise I would have a whopping 350 slots in my 100€ house. I was supporting the game but that needs to be deserved. I am not a cash cow ( any more) for Zos .so no after buying almost every house in the game , now it’s time to stop. This feels more and more like a maintenance mode . Really sad . From now on I will just enjoy what I bought to this point. This can change again oc but first the game have to change into a more players friendly focus
    Edited by tom6143346 on July 5, 2024 11:12PM
  • Jaraal
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    Jimbru wrote: »
    Once again, ZOS is "generously giving" players a "feature" they didn't ask for, and ignoring what players actually want. Tales of Tribute and Scribing already followed that path; both are sitting ignored on my account. Now we have this "tour" thing for housing which is basically a ripoff of something you could already do with the EHT addon.

    Yeah, very generous to allow me pay the same from previous years for less content 😉

    That's a good point. When will they be lowering the subscription price to reflect the decrease in new content?

    Now that's QOL improvement I can get behind!

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