Feedback for the housing feature and update (poll)

Mathius_Mordred · July 3

No

Very disappointing.

Rkindaleft · July 3

Unsure yet

I voted unsure but I should've voted no in hindsight.

I play on PS5 but I'm honestly getting a little bit fed up with having to dumb down would be key features because of old gen hardware limitations. We are 4 years into the new gen. Not increasing housing slots which the community has begged ZOS to do for years? The only logical reason I can think of is so you don't lag when you load in to a completely full house with tons of flashy effects on your original PS4 from 2013.

SilverBride · July 3

Unsure yet

Rkindaleft wrote: »

I voted unsure but I should've voted no in hindsight.

I was just thinking the same thing.

freespirit · July 3

No

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

BUT, BUT....... It was a BRAND NEW "feature" how can it be considered good if as you say "literally nothing changed??? 😲

Araneae6537 · July 3

Unsure yet

freespirit wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

BUT, BUT....... It was a BRAND NEW "feature" how can it be considered good if as you say "literally nothing changed??? 😲

Are you saying you want any new features forced on you? I certainly don’t — better new options to engage with or not as each chooses!

TaSheen · July 3

No

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Are you saying you want any new features forced on you? I certainly don’t — better new options to engage with or not as each chooses!

Yeah. Just give me OPTIONS.... not forced stuff ever.

Atheriskendra · July 3

No

Not on par with the hype. This anniversary was an excellent opportunity to finally increase the furnishing limit, as the housing community has been asking for years. So dissapointed.

Jaimeh · July 3

No

Alaztor91 wrote: »

Remember when Q3 Dungeon DLC and Q4 Zone DLC also included base game/QoL updates? Seriously, wtf is going on.

Yep... I'd rather have a paid update that includes a lot of content and improvements than what they're currently doing.

Jaraal · July 3

freespirit wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

BUT, BUT....... It was a BRAND NEW "feature" how can it be considered good if as you say "literally nothing changed??? 😲

The new feature is the popularity contest aspect, where you can get your friends, guildies and potentially paid ballot stuffers to vote your creation up to the top. Not sure if there will be titles, achievements, prizes, or related things involved yet.

shadyjane62 · July 3

No

The main feature of my Lunar Hall is the dancing cake slices on the steps. I gathered them during the anniversary but I can never get the angles right so I just put them down the way they wanted. I like the way they look.

That is the sum total of my work on houses.

Don't want anymore and I wouldn't want anyone else in my castle or my hall.

Alastrine · July 3

No

I'd have been happier with the ability to decon crafted furniture even.

hiyde · July 4

No

freespirit wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

BUT, BUT....... It was a BRAND NEW "feature" how can it be considered good if as you say "literally nothing changed??? 😲

I didn't give an opinion either way. I simply answered a doom post about how their house was going to get squatted on, raided, looted and burned down when this feature goes live. 🤡

Marronsuisse · July 4

Yes

I would have rather had something more relevant to how I use housing (and I already used Housing Hub anyway), but I'm not unhappy about having this.

Now that everyone will have access to a player housing catalogue I hope to see some cool new endeavors, like... visit another player's house, or have a dance party in your house. Just fun optional community stuff like that.

And I'm really happy to see a new medium house added. I like the more manageable small and medium-sized houses but all the ones we have are old and have quite low res textures.

Kitziboo · July 4

No

At the very least I hoped that the ‘already known’ would be moved to the top of a furnishing plan so we don’t have to scroll down to the bottom of the text to check and that we would have a new dedicated and searchable furniture crafting station.

Grizzbeorn · July 4

No

Weak.

opalcity · July 4

No

I was hoping for farmable flower beds at the very least, and an official guild hall at the most. This just feels like a pretty basic qol improvement they could have added at any time, rather than tout it as a streamworthy new feature.

thorowdin · July 4

No

No

I want just two things to help with housing 1. a better way to store furniture (I don't want to buy housing just to store spare furniture). 2. housing limit increase, something the community has asked for.

I'm disappointed that this seems just a weak and trivial update for housing.

Idelise · July 4

No

I think overhyping and underdelivering do not even begin to describe it. As an avid housing fan, I did expect something big - got a feature that is already present in a commonly-used addon on PC. And some houses. A big let-down.
With each expansion - and even new patches introducing a plethora of new housing, something needs to give. I know housing fiends who love the housing feature so much they cannot play the game anymore... due to a lack of item slots. They filled in bank slots, filled max inventory of all their 20 chars - and filled additional slot spaces of chests- and they still find themselves lacking. Doing content and having any valuable drops means they need to delete precious furnishings that they spent time and money crafting/getting. With more and more new furnishings being added and no inventory/bank space increase - something needs to give. Players that LOVE the housing feature find themselves either bleeding money (by choosing which furnishing to delete) or not playing the game at all to not make their already very limited resource (space) even more restricted. Or they buy pointless large houses, just to make them into furnishing storages...
Neither of these solutions encourages them to keep on playing the game and enjoying one of its best features... Something WILL need to be added, sooner or later. A furnishing bag. More slots. ANYTHING. You cannot add furnishings into the pool, then expect people to tighten the belt... it's just not fun.

Jaraal · July 4

hiyde wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

BUT, BUT....... It was a BRAND NEW "feature" how can it be considered good if as you say "literally nothing changed??? 😲

I didn't give an opinion either way. I simply answered a doom post about how their house was going to get squatted on, raided, looted and burned down when this feature goes live. 🤡

Actually that would be kind of funny, if you had to protect your house from looters. ZOS could sell you some battle houseguests and pets, and the players that try to ransack your house would risk losing levels, or having their characters terminated with no rez. You could set up traps, where people get burned up if they fall in a hole, or smashed by falling rocks, and whatnot. Call it BattleCribs, or something. Now that would be a worthwhile update!

Luke_Flamesword · July 4

No

I get it, that they can't give us more furnishing slots or furniture bag because of technical limitations. I don't like it but I accept that.

But!

Current UI for furnishing is big mess. Thousands recipes across multiple crafting stations, inconsistent placement of furnishings (I just need to guess if wooden chair with some cloth is on woodworking station or clothing station), no way to know (without addons) which recipes you are missing.

To be honest, I'm sometimes loose motiviation for housing, because it's such a big pain to look which furnitures I can even build. Why I can't see all beds or chairs in one place?

It's really big problem and we need new furniture station with completely new UI ASAP! It should be added with some sticker book for furnishings and possibility to create and deconstruct furnishings for materials.

This is CORE mechanics which need work so much.

Instead we get just filler "feature" made very quickly (they even admit on stream that dev responsible for scribing and styling was doing this, so you can imagine that was not lenghty task) which is insulting, because you took from us 2 dungeons and small zone DLC to give us something extra, but there was BETTER QoL changes in previous years WITH 2 dungeons and small zone DLC...

Shara_Wynn · July 4

Unsure yet

I really like the idea of being able to visit other folks houses but...

It's far past time we had a furnishing's bag. Most of my bank space and coffer space and every free house and inn space has just become storage for all my furnishings and I have no idea where any particular item is.

The game also needs to either increase the furnishing limits or create more clutter pieces. I can never have my house look as good as the Vile Manse because of the insanely low furnishing limits. Houses just feel empty when "fully furnished".

There also needs to be some updating of the older furnishing models but I don't expect that will ever happen, much like everything else that is base game.

spartaxoxo · July 4

Yes

Syldras wrote: »

I mean, for console people it's a nice feature (and the two new houses don't look bad either), but why make a big announcement about it and call it a new housing feature? A few years ago that would have been considered a small quality of life update, nothing more.

This is the quality of life update quarter. Everything they hype up for Q3 is going to be these kinds of smaller things now. People tried to say I was wrong about that when I brought it up the second they announced it, when I pointed out the value of ESO+ was dropping and these changes should have been done alongside major features. But plenty of players said they were happy to sacrifice quantity of updates for a higher quality game. Well, they got that feedback loud and clear.🤷🏿‍♀️

Prepare for more of this next year too. Last year one of the big Q3 features, which they had to push back it's release, was the Grandmaster Crafting Tables....

Hapexamendios · July 4

No

This is something I will never use.

colossalvoids · July 4

No

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I mean, for console people it's a nice feature (and the two new houses don't look bad either), but why make a big announcement about it and call it a new housing feature? A few years ago that would have been considered a small quality of life update, nothing more.

But plenty of players said they were happy to sacrifice quantity of updates for a higher quality game. Well, they got that feedback loud and clear.🤷🏿‍♀️
.

People still would happily do that but we didn't get quality first time around, nor the second. It was whole bunch of nothing, not what people would describe as quality update.

Say something good, do something merely close to it but not what promised is a company's mantra at this point.

spartaxoxo · July 4

Yes

colossalvoids wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

I mean, for console people it's a nice feature (and the two new houses don't look bad either), but why make a big announcement about it and call it a new housing feature? A few years ago that would have been considered a small quality of life update, nothing more.

But plenty of players said they were happy to sacrifice quantity of updates for a higher quality game. Well, they got that feedback loud and clear.🤷🏿‍♀️
.

People still would happily do that but we didn't get quality first time around, nor the second. It was whole bunch of nothing, not what people would describe as quality update.

Say something good, do something merely close to it but not what promised is a company's mantra at this point.

The term "Quality of Life" update, in my experience, is nearly always used by developers to describe small changes that aren't designed to shift the way a game is played in a major way or change the overall balance of a game. Instead, they are small changes meant to improve how various systems function. Think things like improved search functions or better UI.

I only ever expect small changes like this for QOL updates. That's why I was annoyed to hear a whole quarter was being dedicated to it. And pointed out this was less value for ESO+ in particular than in the past, since Plus isn't the game. It's a sub to dlc and the crafting bag. So two whole dlc were eliminated from future offerings, for things like QOL updates and features that used to just get added to the Q2 or Q4 update.

Remember when Asylum Sanctorum AND transmutation were added to Clockwork City, a small zone Q4 DLC? Because I do.

I agree with the overall sentiment this shouldn't be the hype of a whole quarter. But for a totally different reason. I do actually think this is huge as far as Quality of Life features go. So, as a QOL feature, it deserves hype. But QOL should never be the main focus of a quarter. QOL is meant to be the cherry on top, not the whole dessert.

Syldras · July 4

No

I have never believed that removing the Q3 dungeons and Q4 zone would make anything better. They always justify content reduction with "this way we concentrate of the overall quality more" or "this way we can put more work into the yearly chapter", and they also always have some nice explanation why the chapter was lacking, when ever criticism comes up. A few years ago, it was "the pandemic made work more complicated, so we had to reduce content, things will get better and chapters get bigger again after that" - look where we are now.

HazierBlue · July 4

No

Wouldn't even call it a feature, this is just another tactic to incentivize more crown store sales. I'm starting to think there may be merit to the claim that this game is kept alive to fund the other MMO they are working on.

Grendalism · July 4

No

Whilst I like the possibility of a list of houses to visit, I was disappointed by the overall ‘housing’ update.

I was hoping that deconstruction of crafted (non-crown store) furnishings was going to be the big thing, and/or a search function added into the crafting station furnishings menu.

I knew there wouldn’t be any chance of number of furnishings per house, as for this to happen, it’d need to drop the PS4 console (and X-box equivalent), as memory/RAM limitations are a key factor.

Verdict: ZOS housing announcement = 2/10, must try harder.

WolfCombatPet · July 4

No

Livvy wrote: »

After this, I don't think I will allow myself to get excited for an announcement ever again in this game.

Same.
This feels like a lesson learned.
I expected one of the very popular ideas players have been begging for.

These are just a few of those ideas:

1) 600 slot homes to at least have 700 slots

2) The option to remove existing buildings so we don't have to spend precious item slots on covering them up.

3) Have 700 slots for the outdoors area of the house, and 700 slots for the inside of the building.

4) Armor displays that are also storage. Like an armory station, but each mannequin would be the set you equip.
Weapon displays would be individual. Bows on walls. Swords on katana-style weapon racks, etc.

5) Gardening. With its own item count limitation category. We would plant them in already existing vases, but now they would have a soil texture in them. The whole unit would count as one furniture item. (similar to how snapping furniture together and moving the whole thing works, but this would be a permanent snap)

BretonMage · July 4

No

HazierBlue wrote: »

Wouldn't even call it a feature, this is just another tactic to incentivize more crown store sales.

Yup, this is fine as a marketing feature to encourage sales of furnishings, but if it's the only housing feature to be introduced in U43, that would be extremely disappointing.