Feedback for the housing feature and update (poll)

HGWellsWH12

Yes

As a console player who likes housing, I’m really looking forward to the update.

WolfCombatPet

No

TaSheen wrote: »

Not my thing, inviting even the people I know to my houses. CERTAINLY NOT opening them up to randos. And the rating "feature" is just going to be griefing in a different direction.

I played Rift.

Rating houses was never fun for anyone.

Players would invite others to tour their house and then EXPECT an upvote.

Do ESO devs know how much drama happened in Rift because voting brought forth a bunch of tension/drama to its players???

Why would they add a feature that players HATED in another MMO to ESO?

Haenk

No

Nobody asked for this.
And: Why bother doing an event to present *this*? Seems like Microsoft completely lost interest and reduced funds to whatever minimum was possible.

LunaFlora

Yes

the Favourite "rating" is according to the livestream like Favouriting your own collectibles.
i can imagine just using it for people's crafting houses or unique builds like mazes.

try it out on the pts on monday perhaps

Major_Toughness

No

Wish it had nothing to do with housing.

Tensar

No

This game is dying, no more point investing money and time in it. The game became boring since years and our (at least my) last hope was with the housing.

But they are just telling us they will not bring real QoL, they prefere to add useless features nobody asked for.

MotherOfMoss

No

As so many others have said, it's a very nice feature but I for one was hoping for something more. (Finer-grain permissions, easier to apply permissions, some solution to the item limit issue, weather control, pick your own house soundtrack, control music box range/volume, etc., all the things I have written looooooong posts about before so I won't repeat it all.)

Very much looking forward to the Auridon home though as it's one of the nicest zone soundtracks in the game! Will be nice to have an additional house where I can use it (while I wait for this to become a customisation option )

James-Wayne

No

They should not have announced this has the Housing QoL update back in January.

They need to manage expectations better.

JiubLeRepenti

No

I'll just C/P what I previously said on another topic:

JiubLeRepenti wrote: »

This is lame.

This is the kind of thing a modder on Skyrim or Fallout would make alone, within a few weeks, in his bedroom, as an addon. You guys can't show this as a update "feature". Or you have very, very low-ambition targets.

I could easily make a 20+ list of things to improve current housing:

- stop maintaining the game on old gen (PS4/Xbox One) in order to increase the items limit for good;
- interaction with furnishings like beds ;
- possibility to slot its own character outfit on a dummy ;
- possibility to add wildlife without taking one collectible slot everytime ;
- add complete buildings for each race/culture (pretty useful for places like Moon-Sugar Meadow, etc.) ;
- possibility to change the music theme ;
- possibility to change the weather ;
- possibility to add missing tools (f.i. guild merchants) in order to be autonomous when you are home ;
- add a native tool like Immaculate Constructions addon in order to easily let ppl build coherent structures ;
- add a free camera feature when you want to make videos ;
- etc.

I just feel like the devs don't care anymore about what the game is becoming. I also feel, as an endgame player with 6.000+ hours on ESO, that there is a HUGE lack of ambition about the new features.

Many ppl won't agree, many will say that this is a frustrated comment... Well idc. I've defended this game for a very long time, but now I have to admit there is no ambition on ZOS side. Keep it like this. Keep ignoring your community calls. And then, be sure the game will slowly but surely die.

F*ck. You can be sure I'll stop my yearly subscription in November. I'm not inciting other ppl to do the same (don't want my comment to get moderated). You simply don't deserve it.

ZOS MUST pull together and show more ambition. We are paying for it.

BlueRaven

Unsure yet

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

Well that is not exactly right.

Let’s pretend you have a normal nicely decorated home and you make it eligible for house tours. That house CAN become pop capped by strangers AND you cannot control exactly what they will do in there. Yes they may not be able to interact with anything, but that may not stop them from trolling.

DigiAngel

Yes

I'm fine with it. I think housing a complete waste of time...I have the armory, and a handful of chests and that's it in mine. I can't imagine putting any real time into housing.

Muizer

Not into housing at all myself, but the reaction has me wondering how ZOS came to implement this idea in the first place.

It comes across as a bit of a developer 'pet project' tbh: something of their own choosing that they can accomplish without much planning or coordination with other departments (like writing or artwork) at times when demands on their time are otherwise low.

Otherwise, if this were a fully fledged feature with commensurate resources allotted to it, then there would have to be a business case for it. In this case that many players in the housing 'business' want more ways to exhibit their homes to a wider public. EDIT: or that there are many players who would like to go on a housing tour, though to me that sounds like a shot in the dark.

But is that actually true? What percentage of you are decorating your homes for that purpose? And how many would consider going on a housing tour something they'd do regularly?

Perhaps someone with better knowledge about the topic than I should make a poll about that.

As for me, I don't have the skill or patience to decorate, but if I did (and I have though about it) then I would do it to create my own private space. Just like my IRL home tbh. In which case a feature like this adds nothing.

Tra_Lalan

Yes

Excited about the new stuff in IA. Didn't expect it to be expanded so soon.

Also: curated drops for pvp sets, thanks for that.

RomanRex

No

Months of marketing a feature that most people don’t want and already had access to if they did.

DenverRalphy

No

Just thought of an unintended use that will probably become common practice.

Free Taxi service. Need to get to a zone you don't have but don't wish to bother friends/guildies? Select a house from the home tours in the zone you wish to go, and boom. You're there.

Not that it's a bad thing. I'll probably do it from time to time myself.

SilverBride

Unsure yet

Luke_Flamesword wrote: »

Current UI for furnishing is big mess. Thousands recipes across multiple crafting stations, inconsistent placement of furnishings (I just need to guess if wooden chair with some cloth is on woodworking station or clothing station), no way to know (without addons) which recipes you are missing.

To be honest, I'm sometimes loose motiviation for housing, because it's such a big pain to look which furnitures I can even build. Why I can't see all beds or chairs in one place?

It's really big problem and we need new furniture station with completely new UI ASAP! It should be added with some sticker book for furnishings and possibility to create and deconstruct furnishings for materials.

This is exactly what we need and what should have been done. I'm so tired of having to check 3 or 4 crafting stations to see all the beds I can make. Then having all the recipes in one huge category makes it a scrolling nightmare to find what we want to make. They already have subcategories in the housing editor so how hard would it be to have them in the crafting window?

This is beyond frustrating. It's not too late to add these things. Maybe not with the next patch, but soon.

Rowjoh

we can publish our houses?

god help us - nearly all the houses I've visited or seen on YouTube are about as creative as a donkey trying to push square pegs into round holes with one hoof.

Soarora

No

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Just thought of an unintended use that will probably become common practice.

Free Taxi service. Need to get to a zone you don't have but don't wish to bother friends/guildies? Select a house from the home tours in the zone you wish to go, and boom. You're there.

Not that it's a bad thing. I'll probably do it from time to time myself.

That is exactly what I’ll be using it for. I don’t have HousingHub on all characters due to frustrations with the addon, but sometimes the thing I’m trying to get to is right outside a house. I’ll put up my completed houses too but I already put them up on HousingHub… so…

msetten

No

Even though I am on console, so the house listings will be new for me, I am underwhelmed by the housing update. I really expected something more options when decorating a house. Things like portals that are linked in your house, tools for setting up small games in your house, making items smaller/larger, snapping of items etc. And of course more items in a house and a furniture bag would have been great too.

BTW I do like that they keep extending the Infinite Archive. But regarding housing, I was underwhelmed.

rothan117

No

Very underwhelming. I saw nothing at all that would motivate me to keep logging in until next years expansion. Gold Road felt kind of thin on content and the story was very underwhelming compared to ones like Elseweyr expansion. Scribing has been a definite let down for me that I cannot be bothered to pursue any further.

spartaxoxo

Yes

Muizer wrote: »

Not into housing at all myself, but the reaction has me wondering how ZOS came to implement this idea in the first place.

It comes across as a bit of a developer 'pet project' tbh: something of their own choosing that they can accomplish without much planning or coordination with other departments (like writing or artwork) at times when demands on their time are otherwise low.

Otherwise, if this were a fully fledged feature with commensurate resources allotted to it, then there would have to be a business case for it. In this case that many players in the housing 'business' want more ways to exhibit their homes to a wider public. EDIT: or that there are many players who would like to go on a housing tour, though to me that sounds like a shot in the dark.

But is that actually true? What percentage of you are decorating your homes for that purpose? And how many would consider going on a housing tour something they'd do regularly?

Perhaps someone with better knowledge about the topic than I should make a poll about that.

As for me, I don't have the skill or patience to decorate, but if I did (and I have though about it) then I would do it to create my own private space. Just like my IRL home tbh. In which case a feature like this adds nothing.

@Muizer

I can't speak to PC but housing tours are a weekly activity in my housing guilds. And console has long asked for the ability to share multiple homes.

The reason it's not a popular request on PC is because it's already part of an add-on.

Incidentally, when that add-on was made, it was a popular request on PC too. And it was so highly praised and widely adopted by PC players, that the maker of the add-on was hired by Zenimax. Since then, some of that addon's features have become base game. These have, until now, went over very well. Edit: So, I suspect you're correct about it being a dev's pet project. Not that it's necessarily the same person since there has definitely been Developers who have wanted to make some add-on functionality part of the base game for years.

I imagine the mistake is not in adding it into games, or even the description that it's highly requested and long anticipated. These things were true for console. It's that it was the highlight of Q3, when most of the game's core PC players already have it.

So, a lot of people anticipated something more universally requested and badly needed.

Indigo_Shade

Yes

Yes
I like the housing updating. Not to say Housing doesn't need a refresh, I think it does. But I really do like this idea. I have several decorated houses and one massive decorating project that I guess I really need to finish before Update 43 drops.

DreamyLu

No

Like said by many before: that's it?

Since I have no interest in showing my home to others (friends visit no matter what), and no need for new houses, it seems to mean that globally, I get more or less... huh... nothing?

tomfant

No

This will be a very underwhelming update.

Home Tours: You can visit other people's houses already now. So, this feature doesn't add anything new. The grand master crafting stations were a much bigger addition to housing.

New maps, stuff and collectibles for IA: maybe the only new content in this update. But, the new verses and visions are better worth it. They dilute the pool and it becomes less likely to complete one of the powerfull transformations in early arcs. For new players it will become much harder to get the related achievements.
Also, please tune down Marauder Gothmau while you are at it.

Additional luminous ink sources are necessary and welcome.

Curated drops from undaunted and PVP coffers and other sources are also welcome.

Theist_VII

Unsure yet

wullger wrote: »

For a large chunk of the playerbase, I think we'd all really like to stop being held back by the console limitations, both in furnishing counts and the awful, awful base and early game textures.

^Misinformation and Bait, yet comments like these never seem to be taken down.

ESO is held back by its engine first and foremost. Games with thousands of explosions and map destruction with bullet tracing and fully customized characters can be played on an original Xbox One and they work perfectly fine. Zero crashing. Zero stuttering. Yet you can’t even walk around in a solo instance on ESO without your game dropping to 20-30fps on those consoles.

Funny enough, PCs of a lower spec than the oldest gen of consoles are still supported. If ZOS wanted to increase furnishing counts, or add better textures, they have both the tools and funding to do so… but they won’t.

Raising the floor on the specs required to play would cut off far more ESO players on PC than console players.

What it really boils down to is an upper management decision, and whether they want to invest the resources to “Fortnite” ESO.

hiyde

No

BlueRaven wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Yes, now randoms will be more able to port around and troll unlimited people by turning everything off or on, filling the house with squatters so nobody (including the owner) can get in, etcetera. No more need to be a friend or a guildie to have access, when anybody can just select the most popular builds from a list and go create havoc as they wish.

To quote that car insurance commercial, that's not how any of this works.

As always, YOU choose whether your home is:
- Locked
- Open to friends
- Open to guildies
- Open to all

With the new feature:
YOU choose whether or not to list each home you own in the Housing Tour
YOU choose whether visitors have either:
Visitor Access: Can use interactables
Limited Visitor Access: Cannot use interactables.

Bottom line is, literally nothing changes for those who do not want to list their houses in this system.

Well that is not exactly right.

Let’s pretend you have a normal nicely decorated home and you make it eligible for house tours. That house CAN become pop capped by strangers AND you cannot control exactly what they will do in there. Yes they may not be able to interact with anything, but that may not stop them from trolling.

But it is exactly right lol. If you don't opt in any houses, literally nothing changes for you.

If you *choose* to opt-in, yes your home could get pop-capped. As for not being able to control exactly what they do in there, yes you can, as I outlined in my post.

Side note: If a home is "full" does that block the owner from entering? If so, there should be a workaround added but I'm sorry, I just don't see street gangs of ESO thugs banding together to fill up houses for weeks at a time, blocking others from entering lol

WolfCombatPet

No

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Just thought of an unintended use that will probably become common practice.

Free Taxi service. Need to get to a zone you don't have but don't wish to bother friends/guildies? Select a house from the home tours in the zone you wish to go, and boom. You're there.

Not that it's a bad thing. I'll probably do it from time to time myself.

This is going to set back the hopes of expanding housing item limits.

Imagine all that UNECESSARY loading of furnishings and the server strain.

WolfCombatPet

No

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I imagine the mistake is not in adding it into games, or even the description that it's highly requested and long anticipated. These things were true for console. It's that it was the highlight of Q3, when most of the game's core PC players already have it.

So, a lot of people anticipated something more universally requested and badly needed.

The popularity contest/voting is a problem. Other than that, it's a great update for console players. But since it is worthless to PC players... it should have NEVER been hyped up as this big mystery housing update for months.

I have been speculating what big feature housing was going to get since January. It was the center of an entire update!

We got to pick the time of day for housing. That was HUGE. Such an amazing update!!! And that was not hyped up like this was.

With the way this was hyped up, we expected update 43 main feature to be something players have been asking for.

• Something to help with item limit issues
• Weapon/armor racks
• Gardening
• 600 slot homes now 700 slots
• 700 slots for outdoor decor, 700 slots for indoor decor. For homes with an instanced building.
• The option to remove pre-existing buildings from our homes
• Being able to buy multiple versions of a home for different decoration ideas
• Weather control
• Choosing the teleport point of entry.
• More water furnishings, like small area water we can add to kitchen sinks or player-made bathtubs

spartaxoxo

Yes

WolfCombatPet wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I imagine the mistake is not in adding it into games, or even the description that it's highly requested and long anticipated. These things were true for console. It's that it was the highlight of Q3, when most of the game's core PC players already have it.

So, a lot of people anticipated something more universally requested and badly needed.

The popularity contest/voting is a problem. Other than that, it's a great update for console players. But since it is worthless to PC players... it should have NEVER been hyped up as this big mystery housing update for months.

I have been speculating what big feature housing was going to get since January. It was the center of an entire update!

We got to pick the time of day for housing. That was HUGE. Such an amazing update!!! And that was not hyped up like this was.

With the way this was hyped up, we expected update 43 main feature to be something players have been asking for.

• Something to help with item limit issues
• Weapon/armor racks
• Gardening
• 600 slot homes now 700 slots
• 700 slots for outdoor decor, 700 slots for indoor decor. For homes with an instanced building.
• The option to remove pre-existing buildings from our homes
• Being able to buy multiple versions of a home for different decoration ideas
• Weather control
• Choosing the teleport point of entry.
• More water furnishings, like small area water we can add to kitchen sinks or player-made bathtubs

They have been doing roadmaps for a while now, since players asked for that. They haven't been hyping it up for months. They just mentioned that Q3's QOL change was for housing as part of the roadmap. QOL updates are small things. They save the big stuff for the chapter release (Q2) and then the Q4 release.

Last Q3 was the group finder.

Syldras

No

spartaxoxo wrote: »

They just mentioned that Q3's QOL change was for housing as part of the roadmap. QOL updates are small things.

They said "Housing feature & QoL improvements":



By wording it like this, it looks like the housing thing is not supposed to be QoL, but beyond that.