Personally, I like the new spear look. From the top down, it looks like an actual spear instead of a yellow skewer.

However, the size of the spear combined with the speed of the animation makes it feel clunky. I think if they reduced the spear size by like 40% it may look better in the animation.

Anti_Virus wrote: »

The change is fine I don't get the outcry tbh. Seems like people want to complain for the sake of complaining

35k tooltip baseline damage on live down to 20k per "jab + burning Light Proc + light attack" combination. Almost 50% damage loss to one of the most synergetic, powerful, and fun spammable ability rotations.

Then they also change the animation to look straight garbage like when they changed Mirage animation on Nightblade and made then look like Red Shiny clown Bois if they used it.

EDIT: PTS 16.3k DPS of jab weave synergy- forgot to exclude the 4th jab- so an overall 50%+ DPS loss to Templar weave spammable in my case.

The new aniamtion isn't as good as the old one, but I think I might be able to get used to it.
The only part I really don't like is the final jab of the new animation. I always liked the "jab from above" of the old animations.
Also I miss the golden hand glow

Anti_Virus wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

The change is fine I don't get the outcry tbh. Seems like people want to complain for the sake of complaining

Which part? The 40% dps nerf? The visual change is subjective ofc, I already explained before but the original one I like more.

The visual changes. also, the DPS nerf sucks but I believe the devs are trying to reign in on power creep

I mean sure, like I said each to their own in terms of visuals.
I still think 40% cut on jabs is a bit heavy handed, especially if we also take pvp in mind.
But even for parses most people are switching to rapid strikes, which is not a good sign.

@ZOS_GinaBruno these templar super nerfs are causing you guys to bleed players. Please look at fixing this in week 2 or week 3 notes.

I main a templar at the moment, having mained warden and nightblade previously. I'm a mediocre player, capable of vDLCs and some HMs and easier vet trials but not trifectas or anything like that, so I may or not be their alleged target demographic for this update. The changes are so depressing I've taken a step back from the game in advance.

I don't understand what these changes are meant to achieve. Lowering DPS of high end players, yes, clearly. But it also lowers the DPS of everyone, including people who are already struggling to clear vDLC HMs. Slower damage and heal ticks mean reduced procs of enchantments, set effects, passives, Pale Order heals, etc. Longer DOTs, aside from being useless in many fights due to high mobility of bosses, mean more time to do what, use spammables that have been nerfed? Use heavy attacks that have been nerfed? It all compounds to make play feel sluggish and my character feel crippled. Reducing light attack damage to decrease the "need" to weave perfectly for maximum damage is one thing, but then if everything else also does less damage, is the goal really being achieved? And we're going to have to reapply DOTs all the time before their expiration because of how bosses run around, so that just hurts sustain too.

And the new jabs animation. I wanted to like it, but I don't. What is that weird sidewaysish swing for the last jab? Why aren't we lunging forward as one would do with a spear? Why are we stabbing with a staff in the first place? Why is it a Nighthollow staff in the hands of an Aedric light warrior? The glowing hands, the literal shard of sharp solid light, me shoving a splinter of divine power into the gut of my enemy - that was cool and flavourful. The new animation is not an improvement.

So yeah, I've been playing since 2017 so been through many patches
and historically, providing feedback to PTS changes has not been met with meaningful alterations. It almost always goes live virtually exactly as is. That's probably why you're not seeing people rioting on the forums about it. They've asked for our feedback, but we don't think anything significant will actually come of it. We're just shrugging and dialing down our involvement. Which is a shame, because this has been my second home for over twelve thousand hours.

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

TragedyOA wrote: »

I agree with Deltia. It looks like a noodle and hits like one, too.

As much as it horrifies me to say this, I agree with Deltia about something.

Mr_Stach wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

TragedyOA wrote: »

I agree with Deltia. It looks like a noodle and hits like one, too.

As much as it horrifies me to say this, I agree with Deltia about something.

I agreed with Deltia last patch when he said Warden was Garbage Tier in PvP. What a world we live in

You agreed with Deltia? Um, I mean...look, that's just

Um

Really?

j/k with all the flames I felt a small need for humor.

gariondavey wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno these templar super nerfs are causing you guys to bleed players. Please look at fixing this in week 2 or week 3 notes.

How do you know that? How do you know that players are leaving over Templar changes? Do you have information to provide on subscription numbers pre/post changes?

"MovesLikeJaguar wrote: »

The spear model is just the Nighthollow Staff motif....

If I put my tin foil hat on, could this be another example of console game size restrictions forcing ZOS to reuse animations and models?

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

Slower damage and heal ticks mean reduced procs of enchantments, set effects, passives, Pale Order heals, etc.

The proc of enchantments is apparently busted because dots tick whenever they feel like it, not actually on 2 seconds.

What irks me about the visual changes, is that they're messing with an iconic and popular skill.
I literally heard no one ever say that jabs animation looks bad.