Feb 15 Cyrodiil Test Details

AyaDark · March 2021

Yuke wrote: »

I'll just leave this here

Im sure all of you smart people who think this is a good change, will have no problem figuring out who these stats belong to.

Sorc ?

Jayserix · March 2021

Kingsman1995 wrote: »

Also like to note it's not all bad though

- New champion system is great

- Best PVP combat game in my opinion

- PVE content is very fun

- I'm almost 1000cp and i haven't experienced everything in the game it has so much great content

- This game properly has the best in-game community I've ever seen. I constantly see in my Guilds and even in normal chat zones the amount of help players give to each other. Player's including myself actively go out of their way to help people with so many things like

- Dungeons
- Dueling better players to get better at PVP
- Giving advice on many aspects of the game
- Crafting sets for people who can't yet
- Doing the classic Skyreach Catacombs xp grinds with friends/randoms
- People actually stop and help you with world bosses
- Player's showing other player's how to do something or where to find it

The list could go on and think y'all get my point. Elder Scroll Online is where friendships are built and brings out the kindness in people.

I was actually considering not to play this game after Friday's announcement about keeping the PVP changes till Q3. I even got a refund on the new chapter. But then i talked with my close Guild friends and I eventually figured out I may of been too hasty because i got annoyed at the changes. So i waited for my refund to complete and immediately bought the new chapter again.

Guy's/Gals you got to remember that if it wasn't for ZOS that created this incredible game. We wouldn't of been able to experience all the enjoyable content this game has to offer, meet new people and built the friendships we have today in the game.

So when your thinking about cancelling your subscription, refunding the new chapter or even leaving the game completely. Have a good think about it and remember everything I've typed in this comment.

The Elder Scroll Online has given us happiness and friendships for me that's worth more than money.

Finally some common sense ! Thank you for reminding people that things are relative indeed

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · March 2021

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I do want to ask anyone on the current PC live servers if Pelinal's Aptitude has been tested in Cyrodiil or whether that's counted as a "proc" and my hybrids are essentially back in the gutter for 6 months on writ duty.

Maybe one of the greenies can answer this? @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Couldn't see it on the list but interested after having a blast on console on my hybrid templar earlier

Since it has a Server check, it will be most likely considered proc.

Just tested it, YES, it is considered a proc...

Much sadness for hybrids. Thank you for testing it.

Darkainxx8 · March 2021

Really if now someone realize that the proc sets or considered sets as proc sets is the problem then we played wrong game since it luanched and zos developing going terribly wrong Because on that game execpt these sort list of sets considered as non proc sets is less than 10% of the sets of the game so if the proc sets that removed is 90% WTF doing these years?
Sometimes when we have internal problems some simple things that we can do maybe can help us solve problems and not let ourselfs creating many more without any help just go to a mirror look your self and ask im developing a game that almost all its gear that created is consider as proc for years now and 1 day becouse some of this sets was unbalance i removed all. Maybe something going wrong with me and not with the game? and even if all procs are problematic and want to remake everything on gear etc improve change or anything maybe need a plan and a schedule before remove everything? And when is ready and organized then update patch etc for the changes you want to make that a serious companies doing

caperb · March 2021

While I am still really happy that Cyrodiil is playable again, I agree with a lot here that too many sets are outruled. At least allow monster sets/mythics/stat based proc sets. Just ditch the damage based proc sets. And allow VD at least.

For the future I would like to see the following campaigns (I realise this probably won't happen):

CP enabled, faction unlocked, proc sets disabled (main PvP campaign, like Grey host is now)
CP disabled, faction unlocked, proc sets enabled (Guild v Guild campaign, like Ravenwatch is now)
CP ..., faction locked, proc sets ... (RP campaign)

Why the main campaigns faction unlocked?: So you can play your alts.
Why CP enabled procs disabled and CP disabled proc sets enabled?: both CP and no procs favours solo play/smallscale, so keep this for one campaign while the other campaign can be the guild v guild campaign.
Keep one campaign for faction lock, idc what other rules.

hands0medevil · March 2021

caperb wrote: »

While I am still really happy that Cyrodiil is playable again, I agree with a lot here that too many sets are outruled. At least allow monster sets/mythics/stat based proc sets. Just ditch the damage based proc sets. And allow VD at least.

For the future I would like to see the following campaigns (I realise this probably won't happen):

CP enabled, faction unlocked, proc sets disabled (main PvP campaign, like Grey host is now)
CP disabled, faction unlocked, proc sets enabled (Guild v Guild campaign, like Ravenwatch is now)
CP ..., faction locked, proc sets ... (RP campaign)

Why the main campaigns faction unlocked?: So you can play your alts.
Why CP enabled procs disabled and CP disabled proc sets enabled?: both CP and no procs favours solo play/smallscale, so keep this for one campaign while the other campaign can be the guild v guild campaign.
Keep one campaign for faction lock, idc what other rules.

No, "main campaigns", as you mentioned, should stay faction locked. We should stop supporting alliance hopping as it makes 3 factions war completely meaningless. Want to play with friends, choose wisely but hey, it's not permanent.

vesselwiththepestle · March 2021

hands0medevil wrote: »

No, "main campaigns", as you mentioned, should stay faction locked. We should stop supporting alliance hopping as it makes 3 factions war completely meaningless. Want to play with friends, choose wisely but hey, it's not permanent.

I wish! On PC/EU, Ravenwatch is a "main campaign" (regularly pop-locked, lots of organized groups). However, faction locked it is not...

caperb · March 2021

hands0medevil wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

While I am still really happy that Cyrodiil is playable again, I agree with a lot here that too many sets are outruled. At least allow monster sets/mythics/stat based proc sets. Just ditch the damage based proc sets. And allow VD at least.

For the future I would like to see the following campaigns (I realise this probably won't happen):

CP enabled, faction unlocked, proc sets disabled (main PvP campaign, like Grey host is now)
CP disabled, faction unlocked, proc sets enabled (Guild v Guild campaign, like Ravenwatch is now)
CP ..., faction locked, proc sets ... (RP campaign)

Why the main campaigns faction unlocked?: So you can play your alts.
Why CP enabled procs disabled and CP disabled proc sets enabled?: both CP and no procs favours solo play/smallscale, so keep this for one campaign while the other campaign can be the guild v guild campaign.
Keep one campaign for faction lock, idc what other rules.

No, "main campaigns", as you mentioned, should stay faction locked. We should stop supporting alliance hopping as it makes 3 factions war completely meaningless. Want to play with friends, choose wisely but hey, it's not permanent.

No it is ridiculous you cannot play your characters, it is not about alliance hopping at all but being able to play. 30 days is semi-permanent. But my comment was not about faction lock yes or no, it was about what campaigns might be good for the PvP community.

Lady_Galadhiel · March 2021

Just being curious,what sets are actually usable in Cyrodiil with the current tests going on?
I do not play PvP as I mentioned in my post before,but with so many sets take as procs I really wonder how Pvp'ers play these days ^^''

vesselwiththepestle · March 2021

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Just being curious,what sets are actually usable in Cyrodiil with the current tests going on? '

You can find fully working sets in the first post. Additionally some sets have part of their 5 or 2 piece active, like Chudan 2 piece gives you health (but no buff), Sentry gives you the weapon damage from the 5 piece. NMA does not work, however, because it is "one combined bonus", not two separate bonuses.

You can wear other sets, but only pure stat gains will work, like +1096 Magicka. +4% healing done won't work.

Most are wearing stuff like 1 Domihaus, 1 Swarm Mother, 5 Alfiq, 3 Willpower, 2 Trainee; or two monster pieces with weapon damages, 3 agility front bar, 3 endurance back bar, whatever on the body (draugr, hunding's, spriggan...). You will probably see a lot of Shacklebreaker and Azure Plasm because of their stat density and a lot of Fortified Brass because it is a strong defensive set right now (along with impregnable).

Lady_Galadhiel · March 2021

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

Just being curious,what sets are actually usable in Cyrodiil with the current tests going on? '

You can find fully working sets in the first post. Additionally some sets have part of their 5 or 2 piece active, like Chudan 2 piece gives you health (but no buff), Sentry gives you the weapon damage from the 5 piece. NMA does not work, however, because it is "one combined bonus", not two separate bonuses.

You can wear other sets, but only pure stat gains will work, like +1096 Magicka. +4% healing done won't work.

Most are wearing stuff like 1 Domihaus, 1 Swarm Mother, 5 Alfiq, 3 Willpower, 2 Trainee; or two monster pieces with weapon damages, 3 agility front bar, 3 endurance back bar, whatever on the body (draugr, hunding's, spriggan...). You will probably see a lot of Shacklebreaker and Azure Plasm because of their stat density and a lot of Fortified Brass because it is a strong defensive set right now (along with impregnable).

Makes sense ^^ Crafty Alfiq was the only set what came into my mind what could be working nowadays

Thanks for answering!

Jayserix · March 2021

caperb wrote: »

hands0medevil wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

While I am still really happy that Cyrodiil is playable again, I agree with a lot here that too many sets are outruled. At least allow monster sets/mythics/stat based proc sets. Just ditch the damage based proc sets. And allow VD at least.

For the future I would like to see the following campaigns (I realise this probably won't happen):

CP enabled, faction unlocked, proc sets disabled (main PvP campaign, like Grey host is now)
CP disabled, faction unlocked, proc sets enabled (Guild v Guild campaign, like Ravenwatch is now)
CP ..., faction locked, proc sets ... (RP campaign)

Why the main campaigns faction unlocked?: So you can play your alts.
Why CP enabled procs disabled and CP disabled proc sets enabled?: both CP and no procs favours solo play/smallscale, so keep this for one campaign while the other campaign can be the guild v guild campaign.
Keep one campaign for faction lock, idc what other rules.

No, "main campaigns", as you mentioned, should stay faction locked. We should stop supporting alliance hopping as it makes 3 factions war completely meaningless. Want to play with friends, choose wisely but hey, it's not permanent.

No it is ridiculous you cannot play your characters, it is not about alliance hopping at all but being able to play. 30 days is semi-permanent. But my comment was not about faction lock yes or no, it was about what campaigns might be good for the PvP community.

Isn't faction based games built around factions ? The fact that we can make toons on all factions is the true ridiculous point here

CaperGuy · March 2021

When I sifted through sets on eso-sets.com, these are the ones that looked to me like -part- of the 5 piece bonuses might still work? I could be wrong on some of them, but these ones seemed to have both a conditional (proc) effect, but also a hard stat line on the 5 piece, so could in theory also be considered for use without losing too much.

Akaviri Dragonguard
Black Rose
Call of the Undertaker
Champion of the Hist
Coward's Gear
Dauntless Combatant
Dead Water's Guile
Dragon's Defilement
Eternal Vigor
Fasalla's Guile
Hanu's Compassion
Healer's Habit
Heem-Jas' Retribution
Hex Siphon
Hide of Morihaus
Jailbreaker
Kagrenac's Hope
Knightmare
Might of the Lost Legion
Night Mother's Embrace
Oblivion's Edge
Obvlivion's Foe
Order of Diagna
Pestilent Host
Ranger's Gait
Rattlecage
Sentry
Shadow Dancer's Raiment
Shalk Exoskeleton
Toothrow
Treasure Hunter
Vampire Cloak
Vastarie's Tutelage
Vicious Death
Warrior-Poet
Wisdom of Vanus
Wizard's Riposte

UntouchableHunter · March 2021

AyaDark wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

I'll just leave this here

Im sure all of you smart people who think this is a good change, will have no problem figuring out who these stats belong to.

Sorc ?

Sorcwolf.

When you are in Cyrodill you became The Immortal Sorcwolf.

You are faster than Werewolfs
Your sustain is better than Werewolfs
Your defensive kit is most effective that a Werewolf
You burst it is strong that a Werewolf

VirtualElizabeth · March 2021

@Krulzuk I haven't looked through all of these but I suspect they have a "condition" of some kind that must exist for the effect to happen. For example,

Fasalla's Guile
(5 Items) Apply Minor Defile to all enemies within 5m,
reducing their healing received by 15% for 2 seconds.

Hope this helps!

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO · March 2021

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

@Krulzuk I haven't looked through all of these but I suspect they have a "condition" of some kind that must exist for the effect to happen. For example,

Fasalla's Guile
(5 Items) Apply Minor Defile to all enemies within 5m,
reducing their healing received by 15% for 2 seconds.

Hope this helps!

This!

As soon as you have an IF -check on the Set, this part of the Set won`t work. Thats why the useable set list is so extremly short and leaves no room for creativity. (And deepens the imbalance between classes due to imbalanced class skills)

If you put Floyd Mayweather and Sheldon Cooper into a Ring, both wearing the same T-Shirt...guess who will win.

Tommy_The_Gun · March 2021

Those sorcs man... they are super lucky, since those "non-proc" (or rather non condition checking sets) fauvor them. They can still use stuff that synergies with their class, while other classes can not. They will be lucky if they won't get nerfed over those 6 months...

Also, now that we have very limited gear choices, it kinda shows how some classes are barely playable and I would even say "not competitive" in PvP at all. I hope that devs will notice that, as it can not be more obvious.

Dolphinsgal · March 2021

When in the heck is this [snip] changes supposed to hit console? Performance in Cyrodiil on xbox na (I have the new series x) is already crappy, the disconnects are unbelievable, if this change is going to make performance even WORSE very few will be able to actually play in Cyrodiil. The thing you have always seemed to miss is that your game plays differently from PC, to xbox to ps changes pc can handle totally *** us on consoles. So When can we on console expect Cyrodiil to be even less playable and even more frustrating?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

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CaperGuy · March 2021

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

@Krulzuk I haven't looked through all of these but I suspect they have a "condition" of some kind that must exist for the effect to happen. For example,

Fasalla's Guile
(5 Items) Apply Minor Defile to all enemies within 5m,
reducing their healing received by 15% for 2 seconds.

Hope this helps!

@VirtualElizabeth yes I'm aware that the conditional part of the 5 piece won't work, but what I'm saying is, the sets I put there have a -second- 5 piece bonus with flat stats as well which should still be active. So there could still be a benefit to using some of those with 5 pieces, depending on your build, even though the 'proc' part doesn't work.

ZOS_GinaBruno · March 2021

Hey everyone, we just posted an update on this subject in this thread. In order to prevent the conversation from splitting, we're going to close this thread and you may continue the discussion in the new thread. Thank you!