Teacups!

Ursinos · July 2020

Am I the only one in game annoyed by the fact that we have 3 different types of kettle in the game...but not a single proper teacup?

There are goblets and mugs galore, but not a single teacup. How are there snooty stuck-up races like the Altmer and the Dunmer, but no freaking teacups!

Come on Zos, please? How am I supposed to design a proper tea garden without a decent set of teacups?

Buffy121 · July 2020

I would like teacups available in the game too

Chryseia · July 2020

If you sink fancy chalices, like the alinor ones, into tables or trays, they work okay as teacups because they are the right-ish size, the right shape, and are generally ornamented. some of them even look a bit like they are footed, if you sink them at the right height. They lack handles though, and you have to be careful to make sure the stems aren't showing through whatever they are sitting on. I can find a pic example tomorrow.

redgreensunset · July 2020

I learned this the other day and I'm so disappointed. We really need tea cups in the game.

bluebird · July 2020

I usually use High Elf Cups or Redoran Bowls or Cups. I know the HE cup looks more like a mug than a tea-cup, but you can sink it into the table a little so it looks kinda more cup-like. Asian teacups often don't have a handle irl either so the Morrowind style ones work as teacup substitutes.

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But yeah, of course it would be nice to get proper tea cups

TheRealPotoroo · July 2020

bluebird wrote: »

I usually use High Elf Cups or Redoran Bowls or Cups. I know the HE cup looks more like a mug than a tea-cup, but you can sink it into the table a little so it looks kinda more cup-like. Asian teacups often don't have a handle irl either so the Morrowind style ones work as teacup substitutes.

But yeah, of course it would be nice to get proper tea cups

Yes, but none of them are this:

bluebird · July 2020

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

I usually use High Elf Cups or Redoran Bowls or Cups. I know the HE cup looks more like a mug than a tea-cup, but you can sink it into the table a little so it looks kinda more cup-like. Asian teacups often don't have a handle irl either so the Morrowind style ones work as teacup substitutes.

But yeah, of course it would be nice to get proper tea cups

Yes, but none of them are this:

Yes, I did say that.

And I agreed that proper Teacups would be nice ofc. Just thought I'd share some alternatives in the meantime, since not every tea-drinking vessel is an ultratraditional china saucer+cup combo irl either.

newtinmpls · July 2020

Wow, yes.

And folded napkins, please!

Tai-Chi · July 2020

"Am I the only one in game annoyed by the fact that we have 3 different types of kettle in the game...but not a single proper teacup?"

Sorry to be a spoilsport @Ursinos but "No"; I am not annoyed. In fact, quite the opposite. I think that a teacup, with handle, would be immersion breaking because it would look out-of-place and too modern.

As for kettles, they are placed on (or above) a fire, so some kind of device, to assist in removing the vessel from the flames, makes very good sense. We see many examples of the cauldron type, that can be hung over an open fire, scattered all over Tamriel. To me, it seems like a very logical step (for many a person) to see the connection of making a kettle that could be placed on an Elsweyr-type grill. That is no doubt why IRL the kettle predates the modern teacup by several thousand years.

In no way am I putting this forward as a wish-list item but a Dwemer, clockwork timepiece for the wrist sounds more plausible to me than a modern-day teacup.

Now if you wish to be the in-game inventor of a teacup, then by all means go ahead. Perhaps your 'Inventor' could have several examples to exhibit, that show how the concept developed. I would certainly like to see the outcome - should you go down that path.

Tigerseye · July 2020

Tai-Chi wrote: »

"Am I the only one in game annoyed by the fact that we have 3 different types of kettle in the game...but not a single proper teacup?"

Sorry to be a spoilsport @Ursinos but "No"; I am not annoyed. In fact, quite the opposite. I think that a teacup, with handle, would be immersion breaking because it would look out-of-place and too modern.

As for kettles, they are placed on (or above) a fire, so some kind of device, to assist in removing the vessel from the flames, makes very good sense. We see many examples of the cauldron type, that can be hung over an open fire, scattered all over Tamriel. To me, it seems like a very logical step (for many a person) to see the connection of making a kettle that could be placed on an Elsweyr-type grill. That is no doubt why IRL the kettle predates the modern teacup by several thousand years.

In no way am I putting this forward as a wish-list item but a Dwemer, clockwork timepiece for the wrist sounds more plausible to me than a modern-day teacup.

Now if you wish to be the in-game inventor of a teacup, then by all means go ahead. Perhaps your 'Inventor' could have several examples to exhibit, that show how the concept developed. I would certainly like to see the outcome - should you go down that path.

Teacups have been around since the 17th Century, though and a teacup with a handle was invented (in Germany) in the early 18th Century, apparently.

How long ago do you think the game is supposed to be set, exactly, just out of interest?

To me, it doesn't seem that old, at all.

Assuming it is supposed to be at least somewhat analogous of our own timeline, obviously.

Tigerseye · July 2020

Also, if you are going to take issue with teacups, you should probably also take issue with things like the frames on the Summerset paintings, and the Summerset grandfather clock, which definitely look later than that.

Tai-Chi · July 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

"Am I the only one in game annoyed by the fact that we have 3 different types of kettle in the game...but not a single proper teacup?"

Sorry to be a spoilsport @Ursinos but "No"; I am not annoyed. In fact, quite the opposite. I think that a teacup, with handle, would be immersion breaking because it would look out-of-place and too modern.

As for kettles, they are placed on (or above) a fire, so some kind of device, to assist in removing the vessel from the flames, makes very good sense. We see many examples of the cauldron type, that can be hung over an open fire, scattered all over Tamriel. To me, it seems like a very logical step (for many a person) to see the connection of making a kettle that could be placed on an Elsweyr-type grill. That is no doubt why IRL the kettle predates the modern teacup by several thousand years.

In no way am I putting this forward as a wish-list item but a Dwemer, clockwork timepiece for the wrist sounds more plausible to me than a modern-day teacup.

Now if you wish to be the in-game inventor of a teacup, then by all means go ahead. Perhaps your 'Inventor' could have several examples to exhibit, that show how the concept developed. I would certainly like to see the outcome - should you go down that path.

Teacups have been around since the 17th Century, though and a teacup with a handle was invented (in Germany) in the early 18th Century, apparently.

How long ago do you think the game is supposed to be set, exactly, just out of interest?

To me, it doesn't seem that old, at all.

Assuming it is supposed to be at least somewhat analogous of our own timeline, obviously.

I agree. The modern teacup (with saucer) appears in C18 but teacups with a handle, without a saucer, date back to the Neolithic times.

In truth, I do not really have a preconceived view of the era Tamriel is set in compared to our times because ESO is a fantasy game where many things are possible. Time and its passing is relative; phenomena happen that may seem fantastical to some.

Nevertheless, If you press me on a comparative period, then I would put it far earlier than the start of the Modern Era, ie 1700+. I would compare it to the early Dark Ages - some aspects even slightly earlier. If we look forward to TES Skyrim, then even that has barely caught up with the early Middle Ages.

Tai-Chi · July 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

Also, if you are going to take issue with teacups, you should probably also take issue with things like the frames on the Summerset paintings, and the Summerset grandfather clock, which definitely look later than that.

The topic for this Discussion is "Teacups" [& lack of them in-game] @Tigerseye , so albeit I could comment, I choose not to derail the thread.

redgreensunset · July 2020

Tai-Chi wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Tai-Chi wrote: »

"Am I the only one in game annoyed by the fact that we have 3 different types of kettle in the game...but not a single proper teacup?"

Sorry to be a spoilsport @Ursinos but "No"; I am not annoyed. In fact, quite the opposite. I think that a teacup, with handle, would be immersion breaking because it would look out-of-place and too modern.

As for kettles, they are placed on (or above) a fire, so some kind of device, to assist in removing the vessel from the flames, makes very good sense. We see many examples of the cauldron type, that can be hung over an open fire, scattered all over Tamriel. To me, it seems like a very logical step (for many a person) to see the connection of making a kettle that could be placed on an Elsweyr-type grill. That is no doubt why IRL the kettle predates the modern teacup by several thousand years.

In no way am I putting this forward as a wish-list item but a Dwemer, clockwork timepiece for the wrist sounds more plausible to me than a modern-day teacup.

Now if you wish to be the in-game inventor of a teacup, then by all means go ahead. Perhaps your 'Inventor' could have several examples to exhibit, that show how the concept developed. I would certainly like to see the outcome - should you go down that path.

Teacups have been around since the 17th Century, though and a teacup with a handle was invented (in Germany) in the early 18th Century, apparently.

How long ago do you think the game is supposed to be set, exactly, just out of interest?

To me, it doesn't seem that old, at all.

Assuming it is supposed to be at least somewhat analogous of our own timeline, obviously.

I agree. The modern teacup (with saucer) appears in C18 but teacups with a handle, without a saucer, date back to the Neolithic times.

In truth, I do not really have a preconceived view of the era Tamriel is set in compared to our times because ESO is a fantasy game where many things are possible. Time and its passing is relative; phenomena happen that may seem fantastical to some.

Nevertheless, If you press me on a comparative period, then I would put it far earlier than the start of the Modern Era, ie 1700+. I would compare it to the early Dark Ages - some aspects even slightly earlier. If we look forward to TES Skyrim, then even that has barely caught up with the early Middle Ages.

Historical accuracy arguments for or against stuff always makes me laugh when we're in a fully imaginary world. There is no historical accuracy apart from the one the game makes.
That said, we have long stemmed, flute glasses in the game and they were developed in the same time period as teacups with handles and saucers, so even assuming "historical accuracy" [Snip] yes they would be accurate as they're contemparies of stuff already in the game.

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Tigerseye · July 2020

Tai-Chi wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Also, if you are going to take issue with teacups, you should probably also take issue with things like the frames on the Summerset paintings, and the Summerset grandfather clock, which definitely look later than that.

The topic for this Discussion is "Teacups" [& lack of them in-game] @Tigerseye , so albeit I could comment, I choose not to derail the thread.

Not really a derailment, because it's a relevant point.

If there are already other items in the game that are later in appearance than the teacup (even excluding Dwemer and Clockwork stuff), why would anyone logically object to the latter being in the game, too?

Tigerseye · July 2020

By the way, if they do introduce teacups and saucers, I would like to put in a vote for pretty ones, with flowers and butterflies on them, if possible.

Tai-Chi · July 2020

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I can only assume that through tear-stained eyes you missed the bit where I wrote; "In truth, I do not really have a preconceived view of the era Tamriel is set in compared to our times because ESO is a fantasy game where many things are possible. Time and its passing is relative; phenomena happen that may seem fantastical to some." You would also have realised that on my part at least, there was no argument about "historical accuracy".

My reasons for not being "annoyed" at there not being any teacup-saucer sets were based on eye witness accounts from the future and of the present period in Tamriel. If the developers come up with a story-line that explains what happened to all the teacup & saucer sets between the present period and c1000 years hence, then so be it. I am ok with that.

If they introduce a slot-saving item that has a goblet/mug/tankard or other drinking vessel placed on a small plate of the same/similar design, then that is fine by me too.

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Tigerseye · July 2020

So, there are eye witness accounts saying there are no teacups, in Tamriel?

Or, do you mean you haven't seen any in other TES games?

In which case, couldn't they exist, even if you haven't seen them?

Maybe they are kept for best in people's cupboards, most of the time?

Tai-Chi · July 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

So, there are eye witness accounts saying there are no teacups, in Tamriel?

Or, do you mean you haven't seen any in other TES games?

In which case, couldn't they exist, even if you haven't seen them?

Maybe they are kept for best in people's cupboards, most of the time?

You might be on to something there because we do find "Stolen Treasure" items that purport to be either "Teacups" or "Tea-sets". The tiny illustrations are more or less the same for all, so one cannot tell what they look like. Dragons drop them quite frequently, so they could be hidden anywhere - even in peoples pockets.

Having said that, I do not recall having seen one that says "Teacup & Saucer" or "Teacup with Saucer" but, who knows. Some of these hidden items date back to the First Era & there are one or two that are made from porcelain. Nevertheless, we do not know if they look like an IRL porcelain teacup and saucer set.

As for keeping them for best. The Orcs either are very clumsy or they prefer drinking out of chipped ones

Wildberryjack · July 2020

A proper full tea set would be awesome really.

Ursinos · July 2020

bluebird wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

bluebird wrote: »

I usually use High Elf Cups or Redoran Bowls or Cups. I know the HE cup looks more like a mug than a tea-cup, but you can sink it into the table a little so it looks kinda more cup-like. Asian teacups often don't have a handle irl either so the Morrowind style ones work as teacup substitutes.

But yeah, of course it would be nice to get proper tea cups

Yes, but none of them are this:

Yes, I did say that. And I agreed that proper Teacups would be nice ofc. Just thought I'd share some alternatives in the meantime, since not every tea-drinking vessel is an ultratraditional china saucer+cup combo irl either.

my biggest problem there is generally the size. IIRC, most of those cups look like they'd hold the majority of the "tea" in one of the kettles on their own. the scale us just off. If the HE ones were smaller, I'd find them workable...they're just too big for what I want to do

Ursinos · July 2020

Tai-Chi wrote: »

"Am I the only one in game annoyed by the fact that we have 3 different types of kettle in the game...but not a single proper teacup?"

Sorry to be a spoilsport @Ursinos but "No"; I am not annoyed. In fact, quite the opposite. I think that a teacup, with handle, would be immersion breaking because it would look out-of-place and too modern.

As for kettles, they are placed on (or above) a fire, so some kind of device, to assist in removing the vessel from the flames, makes very good sense. We see many examples of the cauldron type, that can be hung over an open fire, scattered all over Tamriel. To me, it seems like a very logical step (for many a person) to see the connection of making a kettle that could be placed on an Elsweyr-type grill. That is no doubt why IRL the kettle predates the modern teacup by several thousand years.

In no way am I putting this forward as a wish-list item but a Dwemer, clockwork timepiece for the wrist sounds more plausible to me than a modern-day teacup.

Now if you wish to be the in-game inventor of a teacup, then by all means go ahead. Perhaps your 'Inventor' could have several examples to exhibit, that show how the concept developed. I would certainly like to see the outcome - should you go down that path.

I'm not even talking about the strictly western style teacup as was commented on by someone else. but for example, an asian style teacup would work as well. it doesn't need to have a handle, but the SCALE needs to be right. a traditional chinese teacup, for example, is perhaps even SMALLER than a western teacup. when you're talking about drinking tea in gongfu fashion, the cups are maybe 2-3 ounces at most.

All the cups that LOOK the part, are just oversized.

Ursinos · July 2020

Tigerseye wrote: »

By the way, if they do introduce teacups and saucers, I would like to put in a vote for pretty ones, with flowers and butterflies on them, if possible.

yes, please

LadyNalcarya · July 2020

I agree! There are craftable drinks that use teacup icons so it would fit perfectly.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · July 2020

I don't mind we don't have the saucer type of teacups, because teacups comes in many shapes. Like @bluebird I have used the dunmer cups often as teacups, because they are quite close to traditional ones to. Older teacups doesn't have handles and saucers.

But it would definitely be nice with some teasets on a tray and without to save slots, along with more dainty cups. But I'm more than fine to be without the type with saucers and flower print.

SickleCider · July 2020

Yes, I want teacups. Badly.

In this game you can get a grandfather clock, you can wear a tophat, there's an entire steampunk zone. Teacups are fair game.

Buffy121 · July 2020

I hope that teacups will be available eventually to match the teapot from the crown store housing menu

Chryseia · July 2020

@Ursinos , here is what I meant RE sinking chalices down.

Can't help with the handle, but you can make a matching saucer easily by just getting a second chalice and flipping it over so just the bottom of the base is showing.

newtinmpls · July 2020

Ursinos wrote: »

All the cups that LOOK the part, are just oversized.

I have this problem with a LOT Of the "cups" (mugs, goblets, whatever) and bottles/decanters/similar - they are not in anywhere near appropriate proportion to each other.

Ursinos · July 2020

Chryseia wrote: »

@Ursinos , here is what I meant RE sinking chalices down.

Can't help with the handle, but you can make a matching saucer easily by just getting a second chalice and flipping it over so just the bottom of the base is showing.

that might work...if they were a tiny bit smaller. as I've said before, my problem is that the scale is all wrong.

volkeswagon · July 2020

and a snooty tea sipping emote