Thing is, ZOS is not opening a dialog as in a two way conversation.
Dusk_Coven wrote: »SWTOR has been trying (and quite successfully from what I've seen) to change the overall tone and quality of communication with players on their forums, while at the same time giving more feedback and participating more. But if you look at the dev tracker they are still really very careful in how they say things and what they respond to.
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »What I have seen so far on PC EU as a consequence of multi-bidding
1. Flat fees are being introduced in many guilds e.g 10k
2. Sales quotas are going up in some guilds
3. GMs thinking about stepping down and actually stepping down
4. Bickering between some GM's, as some are trying to avoid bidding against people and others are planning to spread bids
5. Big alliances are strategically planning
6. People have been leaving guilds
7. The priority is shifting towards income rather than community
Way to go Zos, what was already a high pressure environment has gotten even more salty.
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Out of curiosity, what's your Craglorn guild?
Thing is, ZOS is not opening a dialog as in a two way conversation.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
I don't understand this. there are hundreds of people here that would love to listen devs, if they talk.
Publishing news and gone totally is not talking. huge responses come online but they only checked the bugs. we never talked about this. as we never talked bosmer stealth for pve&roleplaying people
what would you do, if they just publish update 24 remove all kiosks in craglorn and never respond?
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Lol I know the Gms of your craflorn guild Anita and you are way off in your denial.
Have fun with multi-biding
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Lol I know the Gms of your craflorn guild
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Thing is, ZOS is not opening a dialog as in a two way conversation.
- Why should they ? We're not game designers, we are players with the point of view of players (and only this point of view). They have many other constraints and points of view. Besides, I'm not even sure we know what's good for us as players in the long term.
- This "conversation" would not be "two ways", it would be multiways, or infinite-ways. What you described as "we" doesn't exist. Some people (that includes myself) have disagreed with you all over those threads, and the vast majority of GMs and trading players haven't even participated. There's no consensus on this issue - unlike what you try to make it sound.
- A proper conversation requires both sides listening to each other. You claim that they haven't listened to you... but have you listened to them... ? Really ... ?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Lol I know the Gms of your craflorn guild
The more you know :-)
But if you knew that much, you wouldn't be spreading lies like you're currently trying to.
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Lol I know the Gms of your craflorn guild Anita and you are way off in your denial.
Have fun with multi-biding
Who is it, who is it 😳
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Lol I know the Gms of your craflorn guild Anita and you are way off in your denial.
Have fun with multi-biding
Who is it, who is it 😳
Well they are all on the same channel we are both on
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »Lol I know the Gms of your craflorn guild Anita and you are way off in your denial.
Have fun with multi-biding
Who is it, who is it 😳
Well they are all on the same channel we are both on
Wait, I'm still not kicked for beeing rude? Gonna need to improve my performance.
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »What are u scared of? I hope not of me. I usually do not run around threaten and bidding guilds for arguing with me like others do, so feel free.
wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »So, if we took your stand, we would still be doing trader flip at 5:30AM and setting alarms just to do trader bids.
If we just stayed silent we would still have guild history and bids seen by all...
Has we just rolled over and not criticized or given our thoughts and feedback, MANY changes would not have happened.
We are not children who have to take whatever ZoS hands us without question.
martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »I think you should take that back Anita. you are not even on the GM discord channels.
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Who is it, who is it 😳
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »I think you should take that back Anita. you are not even on the GM discord channels.
And I think you should assume that you don't know about that.
But even if I'm not, does that prevent me from expressing my opinion ? You see, that attitude tells A LOT about what's going on in these threads, and GMs believing they know everything better, do everything better, and have extra permissions as compared to anyone else.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »I think you should take that back Anita. you are not even on the GM discord channels.
And I think you should assume that you don't know about that.
But even if I'm not, does that prevent me from expressing my opinion ? You see, that attitude tells A LOT about what's going on in these threads, and GMs believing they know everything better, do everything better, and have extra permissions as compared to anyone else.
You know, it doesn't matter are you a member of trade guild, are you GM of trade guild or somebody completely outside.
Everyone have a right to express their opinion and your position doesn't make your opinion more valid than others.
At the end regardless of position, at the end opinion is - you know - only an opinion.
Position does not make an opinion great. Sometimes even people on high position are capable to come up with very dumb ideas.
What here matters most is that based on opinion of ZOS, there will be consequences which people involved into trading scene will have to go through.
One of my favorite games used to have a slogan which I will never forget:
"There is your opinion and then there's a truth."
It's up to ZOS to figure out what's the truth here.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »I think you should take that back Anita. you are not even on the GM discord channels.
And I think you should assume that you don't know about that.
But even if I'm not, does that prevent me from expressing my opinion ? You see, that attitude tells A LOT about what's going on in these threads, and GMs believing they know everything better, do everything better, and have extra permissions as compared to anyone else.
You know, it doesn't matter are you a member of trade guild, are you GM of trade guild or somebody completely outside.
Everyone have a right to express their opinion and your position doesn't make your opinion more valid than others.
At the end regardless of position, at the end opinion is - you know - only an opinion.
Position does not make an opinion great. Sometimes even people on high position are capable to come up with very dumb ideas.
What here matters most is that based on opinion of ZOS, there will be consequences which people involved into trading scene will have to go through.
One of my favorite games used to have a slogan which I will never forget:
"There is your opinion and then there's a truth."
It's up to ZOS to figure out what's the truth here.
I never pretended my opinion to be more "true" or valid than anyone else's. But the anti-multibidding crowd pretends to "know the truth". When the only currently valid truth is that noone knows how this will unfold ingame and how things will settle : higher bids ? lower bids ? more equality between trader spots ? More customer traffic overall ? Less empty trader stalls ?
I believe your statement applies more to the anti-multibidding crows than to me.
I believe this will turn out for the better. they think it will turn out for the worst. So far so good - but the problem is, they don't "believe". They think they "know".
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »The devs have talked and all they got as a "response" from players in this thread (I mean, the 3 or 4 current active threads dealing with multibidding) was "you're wrong - we're right". These people don't want to listen to ZOS. They want ZOS to listen to them. That's not how a proper two-way conversation works. No amount of "conversation" will change the fact that those players think they're right and ZOS is wrong.