Super laggy PTS right now but here are the comparison to the dots

Destructive reach was around 3-4k dps, less burst and less damage than embers, I didn't get a screenshot.

I didn't even try soul trap because 8s dot is just useless in my rotation and doesn't apply flame damage so no burning which is a hefty dot and also no combustion which gives sustain.

Degen gives super nice sustain and it's nice to see it not being a useless skill to me in pve, giving me major sorc and allowing me to actually use trash pots without losing.

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Super laggy PTS right now but here are the comparison to the dots

Destructive reach was around 3-4k dps, less burst and less damage than embers, I didn't get a screenshot.

I didn't even try soul trap because 8s dot is just useless in my rotation and doesn't apply flame damage so no burning which is a hefty dot and also no combustion which gives sustain.

Degen gives super nice sustain and it's nice to see it not being a useless skill to me in pve, giving me major sorc and allowing me to actually use trash pots without losing.

It has low crit. Why? You used it on backbar? It should be higher dmg actually, more than embers.

RNG, it was on frontbar with more ticks

Here is one that degen had better luck, with berserker instead of absorb mag, using spell sym messed me up having an extra dot than norm, and also skills not firing because random lag spikes.

enzoisadog wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

A skill like that shouldn't be hitting harder than other DOTs.
2k cost 27k dot (unmorphed)

First time its hit useful numbers since around one tamrial.

theres a difference between useful and broken

If it's anything like vampsbane off Templar, 3-4k every 2s turns into 2000 with just battlespirit alone. With minor maim= 1680, 20% thick skin= 1344, 10% ele defender = 1209, 10% armor after avg penetration = 1088, and finally minor protection= 1000.

1k DMG ever 2s against the most basic of setups is hardly Op lol. You know better than to play with the other tooltip warriors, enzo lol.

Glory wrote: »

mursie wrote: »

crazy how ZOS went and buffed all the dots. it's almost like they made an expansion recently with a new class that has a passive that buffs damage over time and they are hoping these damage over time buffs create the necessary pay wall need to buy expansions to roll said new class.

but that just sounds laughably outlandish. no way that could be the reason for this.

"Many Damage over Time abilities, both single target and Area of Effect, have been re-standardized to follow similar behaviors to other ability types. Area of Effect DoTs will now be 33% weaker than a single target DoT counter-part and cost 30% more, just like direct damage AoEs vs single target ones."

List of lowered DoTs from patch notes:

• Bleeds in general
• Boneyard (that P2W class!)
• Shocking Siphon (that dang P2W again!)
• Fiery Breath
• Eruption
• Lotus Fan
• Twisting Path
• Summon Shade hits
• Twilight
• Lightning Splash
• Spear Shards
• Solar Barrage
• Winter's Revenge
• Carve
• Caltrops

Siphon and Boneyard now both do less than these dots. Siphon in particular is 12s and has a tooltip about 10% lower than Entropy, which is also 12s. Kind of a weird change. Boneyard is extremely weak now without consuming a corpse, easily ~40% less damage than any of these new dots. Yes, it's aoe, but it's still not a great change because for anything that isn't multiple targets, your class aoe is now a bad choice unless you are consuming a corpse, and even then it is only a few percent better than any of these dots, while costing nearly twice as much.

Also the nerf to fiery breath has reduced it's damage to about half of these dots, which will be mitigated even more by major evasion. I don't really understand this change either because it was already one of the weakest dots in the game. If I had to guess, they want us to use some of these new dots over our class abilities, which is stupid if you care about class identity, but this whole patch is.. lol.

Blinkin8r wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

A skill like that shouldn't be hitting harder than other DOTs.
2k cost 27k dot (unmorphed)

Dumbest thing I've ever heard. Do the math before you come to the forums.

27k dot over 12 seconds = 2,250 per second for 12 seconds
After Battle Spirit = 1,125
After CP effecting Dots and Magic Damage you're looking at a pretty weak dot compared to other skills in the game. If you're getting destroyed by entropy, reconsider playing this game.

damage from one dot doesn't exist in a vacuum. there are two other dots which do about the same amount of damage available to everyone, plus class dots. one of them won't be much, but four of them will. or eight of them applied to you from 28m range in a BG.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Siphon in particular is 12s and has a tooltip about 10% lower than Entropy, which is also 12s. Kind of a weird change.

the skill is an aoe dot, we are lucky it is not 50% weaker.

Also the nerf to fiery breath has reduced it's damage to about half of these dots, which will be mitigated even more by major evasion. I don't really understand this change either because it was already one of the weakest dots in the game. If I had to guess, they want us to use some of these new dots over our class abilities, which is stupid if you care about class identity, but this whole patch is.. lol.

fiery breath is a aoe dot, that buffs all your fire damage by 10%.

you might be confused thinking all dots are the same. they are not. ZoSs vision is aoe dots cost 30% more then single target dots and are 33% weaker than single target dots. in that context, it is not really a conspiracy that entropy, reach and soul trap are that much stronger singer target, that is just the games design.

soul trap hits three targets, not one

Skander wrote: »

Probably a bug

It's a design choice that most people celebrated when ZOS announced they were standardizing all the skills to put them in line with each other.

Jaraal wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Skander wrote: »

Probably a bug

It's a design choice that most people celebrated when ZOS announced they were standardizing all the skills to put them in line with each other.

So basically everybody will have the same skills, with just different particle effects and animations. Essentially reskinning skills, the way they reskin pets and mounts.


It all makes sense now!

You mean like high end PvP now? Destructive reach, dawnbreakers, etc...

The intent is to make dot viable as an alternate. This is a good thing. They will tune and figure it out. It may make the meta more dot heavy, but that is logically equivalent to the current stun/burst meta. At least they're trying introduce additional meta choices...

enzoisadog wrote: »

That's less than a 1k dot in pop. They need to start putting things like vigor in terms of "heals/deals 'x' every second for 'y' seconds" like permafrost so you guys can run the now easy math and realize things aren't as op as you think.

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

That's less than a 1k dot in pop. They need to start putting things like vigor in terms of "heals/deals 'x' every second for 'y' seconds" like permafrost so you guys can run the now easy math and realize things aren't as op as you think.

question, have YOU tested it on pts?

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Totally agree, skill is overloaded. Just compare it to other dots, this one does same damage but have: major sorcery, magicka restore, bonus from mage guild passives (and free empower ofc) and cheaper cost.
Well, i'm not asking to nerf it, I loved it. Just buff class ST dots to same level

Major sorc for one

Burning embers has a burst heal and give stacks of seething fury and well as ardent flame passives such as snare and then a great chance to add burning which is a hefty dot in itself, I would use burning embers over entropy if I -had- to make a choice.

xeNNNNN wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

First people complaining about nerfs to dps, then complaining about buffs to dps

People don't even run entropy in pve, its more of a pvp change.

Yeah but heres the thing, do you really think they wont run it PvE now?

I'm going to run entropy hands down, check my parse earlier, it's amazing for sustain and a great ST dot.