Entropy is way too strong.

enzoisadog

A skill like that shouldn't be hitting harder than other DOTs.
2k cost 27k dot (unmorphed)

Insco851

Jesus... what

ecru

Entropy and Soul Trap. They're about twice as good as class abilities at this point. I guess this is homogenization? Everyone has soul trap and entropy on their bar?

enzoisadog

ecru wrote: »

Entropy and Soul Trap. They're about twice as good as class abilities at this point. I guess this is homogenization? Everyone has soul trap and entropy on their bar?

Yea soul trap is also super strong.

OrphanHelgen

Class identity going in the right direction XD XD

LeHarrt91

So what will it be on a Magicka Warden?

Altyrann

From some quick testing it's pretty much in line with other ST DoTs, especially when you look at it per second. It doesn't have the up front hit you get from cripple, vampire's etc. or the bonus damage from swarm.

The fact that it is a generally accessible DoT also helps ensure all magicka classes have options.

BooPerScOOper

Also think about this... No SP pots required when slotted with inner light

ecru

Altyrann wrote: »

From some quick testing it's pretty much in line with other ST DoTs, especially when you look at it per second. It doesn't have the up front hit you get from cripple, vampire's etc. or the bonus damage from swarm.

The fact that it is a generally accessible DoT also helps ensure all magicka classes have options.

I haven't touched my magblade for awhile but it looks like it does way, way more than crippling grasp. On my necro soul trap and entropy both have a 23.5k tooltip, and for comparison Boneyard is 17k, Blastbones is 13.7k, and Mystic Siphon is 21k over 12 seconds. Pretty sure on my stamdk soul trap would be substantially (like 40%) stronger than any dot that I have access to.

enzoisadog

ecru

enzoisadog wrote: »

Yep. On my StamDK Soul trap is 23k when Claw is 18.2k. A dot that costs magicka is doing more damage than a class ability and one of the strongest dots in the game. why.png

edit: Soul Trap also damages two targets unmorphed, and puts the dot on three targets when it's morphed. what.

MellowMagic

I hope soul trap doesnt get nerfed lol, I replaced caltrops with it. It helps with sustain alot since it costs magic.

Gaggin

It's almost as if they didn't think these numbers through...

Sanguinor2

enzoisadog wrote: »

Those are Rookie numbers.

Disclaimer: The following screenshot is from a discord so I cant say under which circumstances this Tooltip came into existance.

Altyrann

ecru wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

From some quick testing it's pretty much in line with other ST DoTs, especially when you look at it per second. It doesn't have the up front hit you get from cripple, vampire's etc. or the bonus damage from swarm.

The fact that it is a generally accessible DoT also helps ensure all magicka classes have options.

I haven't touched my magblade for awhile but it looks like it does way, way more than crippling grasp. On my necro soul trap and entropy both have a 23.5k tooltip, and for comparison Boneyard is 17k, Blastbones is 13.7k, and Mystic Siphon is 21k over 12 seconds. Pretty sure on my stamdk soul trap would be substantially (like 40%) stronger than any dot that I have access to.

I was casting everything on a fixed 8s rotation to do some testing. Degeneration was between the total reflective light (up front and DoT) damage and the total flame reach (up front and DoT) damage.

I'm trying to compare ST(ish) DoTs to each other and they don't look far apart at all.

Skander

Probably a bug

enzoisadog

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

Those are Rookie numbers.

Disclaimer: The following screenshot is from a discord so I cant say under which circumstances this Tooltip came into existance.

damn.
I wasn't trying to get it as high as I could but yeah its broken compared to class dots.

SidraWillowsky

Skander wrote: »

Probably a bug

Theory: this entire patch is a bug.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ecru wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

Yep. On my StamDK Soul trap is 23k when Claw is 18.2k. A dot that costs magicka is doing more damage than a class ability and one of the strongest dots in the game. why.png

edit: Soul Trap also damages two targets unmorphed, and puts the dot on three targets when it's morphed. what.

Claw has a direct damage part. Add that to the dot part and the damage is about the same. Also doesn't claws damage go up 12% per tick?

27k/12 seconds is 2.2k a second. Check your wall, I bet it does 1.5k damage per tick. Which would be 18k over 12 seconds, or exectly the 33% less DPS single target, like they said they wanted.

katorga

Skander wrote: »

Probably a bug

Oblivion's Foe set, increase damage of Soul Trap by 100%

ecru

Altyrann wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

From some quick testing it's pretty much in line with other ST DoTs, especially when you look at it per second. It doesn't have the up front hit you get from cripple, vampire's etc. or the bonus damage from swarm.

The fact that it is a generally accessible DoT also helps ensure all magicka classes have options.

I haven't touched my magblade for awhile but it looks like it does way, way more than crippling grasp. On my necro soul trap and entropy both have a 23.5k tooltip, and for comparison Boneyard is 17k, Blastbones is 13.7k, and Mystic Siphon is 21k over 12 seconds. Pretty sure on my stamdk soul trap would be substantially (like 40%) stronger than any dot that I have access to.

I was casting everything on a fixed 8s rotation to do some testing. Degeneration was between the total reflective light (up front and DoT) damage and the total flame reach (up front and DoT) damage.

I'm trying to compare ST(ish) DoTs to each other and they don't look far apart at all.

I didn't realize destructive reach was buffed that much, jeez. If you're magicka, rip class skills? Looks like reach, entropy, and soul trap will be mandatory to slot for dps.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ecru wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Altyrann wrote: »

From some quick testing it's pretty much in line with other ST DoTs, especially when you look at it per second. It doesn't have the up front hit you get from cripple, vampire's etc. or the bonus damage from swarm.

The fact that it is a generally accessible DoT also helps ensure all magicka classes have options.

I haven't touched my magblade for awhile but it looks like it does way, way more than crippling grasp. On my necro soul trap and entropy both have a 23.5k tooltip, and for comparison Boneyard is 17k, Blastbones is 13.7k, and Mystic Siphon is 21k over 12 seconds. Pretty sure on my stamdk soul trap would be substantially (like 40%) stronger than any dot that I have access to.

I was casting everything on a fixed 8s rotation to do some testing. Degeneration was between the total reflective light (up front and DoT) damage and the total flame reach (up front and DoT) damage.

I'm trying to compare ST(ish) DoTs to each other and they don't look far apart at all.

I didn't realize destructive reach was buffed that much, jeez. If you're magicka, rip class skills? Looks like reach, entropy, and soul trap will be mandatory to slot for dps.

For single target, yes, good luck clearing trash with that.

Sanguinor2

ecru wrote: »

I didn't realize destructive reach was buffed that much, jeez. If you're magicka, rip class skills? Looks like reach, entropy, and soul trap will be mandatory to slot for dps.

Good for magdks for example you can stop using the hot garbage that is Eruption with this Patchs changes. Gonna suck for magplar since you Need shards for Burning light and Barrage for the empower.

Aznarb

What is the problem ?
Everyone cry about DPS loss and ZoS give you an alternate way to build to keep dmg up.
And now you complain ? I don't get it.

If ZoS give me a new strong heal skill to replace Grand healing, I'll be happy.
So, don't complain plz, at least DPS have possibility to still be effective.

Cortimi

So wait a second....Mages Guild skill tree is now buyable and it suddenly has completely overpowered skills? Same with Soul Magic? No way...

Sanguinor2

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

For single target, yes, good luck clearing trash with that.

Uncapped Proxy det/ magicka Detonation is gonna be interesting depending on the size of the trash stack.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Cortimi wrote: »

So wait a second....Mages Guild skill tree is now buyable and it suddenly has completely overpowered skills? Same with Soul Magic? No way...

Good Lord. You still have to have leveled the skill line at least once. You are basically just paying to not have the find books for 4-6 hours after then. Sad you feel this is somehow bad.

ecru

Aznarb wrote: »

What is the problem ?
Everyone cry about DPS loss and ZoS give you an alternate way to build to keep dmg up.
And now you complain ? I don't get it.

If ZoS give me a new strong heal skill to replace Grand healing, I'll be happy.
So, don't complain plz, at least DPS have possibility to still be effective.

The tooltips are high enough that they look like they'll be mandatory to slot, potentially replacing class skills. Right now on my mag necro I don't have a class skill that does more damage per gcd than reach, entropy, or soul trap, meaning these three dots will now be part of my rotation no matter what. It's completely crowding out any class skills, which are weak in comparison.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

ecru wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

What is the problem ?
Everyone cry about DPS loss and ZoS give you an alternate way to build to keep dmg up.
And now you complain ? I don't get it.

If ZoS give me a new strong heal skill to replace Grand healing, I'll be happy.
So, don't complain plz, at least DPS have possibility to still be effective.

The tooltips are high enough that they look like they'll be mandatory to slot, potentially replacing class skills. Right now on my mag necro I don't have a class skill that does more damage per gcd than reach, entropy, or soul trap, meaning these three dots will now be part of my rotation no matter what. It's completely crowding out any class skills, which are weak in comparison.

Skeletal arcanist will. What is your tool tip of that skill?

Altyrann

From what I can see, you'll be stacking ST abilities to get maximum ST damage and AoE skills for AoE.

There are some outliers but it definitely looks like more specialised setups for specific scenarios.

Aznarb

ecru wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

What is the problem ?
Everyone cry about DPS loss and ZoS give you an alternate way to build to keep dmg up.
And now you complain ? I don't get it.

If ZoS give me a new strong heal skill to replace Grand healing, I'll be happy.
So, don't complain plz, at least DPS have possibility to still be effective.

The tooltips are high enough that they look like they'll be mandatory to slot, potentially replacing class skills. Right now on my mag necro I don't have a class skill that does more damage per gcd than reach, entropy, or soul trap, meaning these three dots will now be part of my rotation no matter what. It's completely crowding out any class skills, which are weak in comparison.

Not really, calltrop and endless hail was the exact same thing for stam DPS.
Mandatory no-class skill doing more than any other class skill.

Now magicka class got 2 of them too. Be happy, Magicka will not be weaker than stam anymore (or gap will be lower).