Entropy is way too strong.
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭IMO single target DoTs should hit harder than AoE DoTs. This change is good, and it’s nice to see Entropy finally become useful. This buff may offset the nerfs to so many other skills (Blockade, Liquid Lightning, Winter’s Revenge, Twisting Path, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage, etc.).8 -
Vortigaunt✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
For single target, yes, good luck clearing trash with that.
Uncapped Proxy det/ magicka Detonation is gonna be interesting depending on the size of the trash stack.
Yeah man I agree. Gonna be interesting to test it on the trash stack in the Alessia Castle Wayshrine trial.1 -
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Yes, the only thing that changes with the morph is that the attack becomes a 4m AOE, which means 25% less damage on Stam builds (especially with even more widespread Major Evasion in 5.1).Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »On a Magicka Necromancer in PvP gear with a Flame Staff and un-morphed Skeletal Mage (since Arcanist simply makes it worse for PvP), I'm at:
Skeletal Mage - 5,479 every 2 seconds
Entropy - 28,952 over 12 seconds
I don't remember exactly what my CP allocation is offhand, but I know I'm at 40 in Thaumaturge.
well mage will give you 2739 dps and entropy is 2412 with your numbers. skeletal arcanist is also aoe. seems balanced to me. does the skeletal arcanist get reduced by major evasion, is that why you say that it is worse?0 -
blnchk✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »IMO single target DoTs should hit harder than AoE DoTs.
In theory, yes. In practice, I really don't feel like swapping my skills between each and every trash and boss fight. I especially don't feel like swapping out class skills like Twisting Path for generic single target DoTs.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, the only thing that changes with the morph is that the attack becomes a 4m AOE, which means 25% less damage on Stam builds (especially with even more widespread Major Evasion in 5.1).Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »On a Magicka Necromancer in PvP gear with a Flame Staff and un-morphed Skeletal Mage (since Arcanist simply makes it worse for PvP), I'm at:
Skeletal Mage - 5,479 every 2 seconds
Entropy - 28,952 over 12 seconds
I don't remember exactly what my CP allocation is offhand, but I know I'm at 40 in Thaumaturge.
well mage will give you 2739 dps and entropy is 2412 with your numbers. skeletal arcanist is also aoe. seems balanced to me. does the skeletal arcanist get reduced by major evasion, is that why you say that it is worse?
have you tested it? that the skill get reduced?
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Osubaker33✭✭✭Yay so now I have to complete the main story for all 18 of my toons. Are they going to sell that to me now in the crown store too?0
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Osubaker33 wrote: »Yay so now I have to complete the main story for all 18 of my toons. Are they going to sell that to me now in the crown store too?
what? soul trap is literally unlocked at the start of the game.6 -
FrancisCrawford✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Osubaker33 wrote: »Yay so now I have to complete the main story for all 18 of my toons. Are they going to sell that to me now in the crown store too?
Actually, I'm pretty sure Soul Magic is one of the skill lines for sale, or else soon will be. That said, the skill line's passives do NOT have anything to do with Sout Trap, so you don't need any ranks in the skill line to do damage unless you want to use the ultimate.Edited by FrancisCrawford on July 9, 2019 11:53AM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is the problem ?
Everyone cry about DPS loss and ZoS give you an alternate way to build to keep dmg up.
And now you complain ? I don't get it.
If ZoS give me a new strong heal skill to replace Grand healing, I'll be happy.
So, don't complain plz, at least DPS have possibility to still be effective.
i agree. we complained about entrophy being basically just a buff skill and we were trying to find ways to drop it for barspace to put more offensive skills in its place. Now its a dot for builds that need a buff but also need dmg.
I think its great. More skills dealing more dmg in a meta that still has pirate skeleton/high resistance. Play the damn changes, post videos and then let us decide. Too many tooltip warriors posting biased *** lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BennyButton wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »So wait a second....Mages Guild skill tree is now buyable and it suddenly has completely overpowered skills? Same with Soul Magic? No way...
Good Lord. You still have to have leveled the skill line at least once. You are basically just paying to not have the find books for 4-6 hours after then. Sad you feel this is somehow bad.
this is bad because it will allow zos to continue to make super grindy skill lines
It changes nothing in the end. Mage‘s Guild and Undaunted are pretty much vanilla skill lines that haven’t changed over the years, long before ESO was F2P or we had the Crown Store. They weren’t capable of creating nice ways to level skill lines before so they aren’t now. I hate grindy skill lines but don’t think they’ll get worse now just because you can unlock them via store.
On topic: the numbers seem crazy but I like it. Finally crappy skills are useful, even when the numbers seem off. I prefer an overpowered Soul Trap accessible to everybody than the useless crap it was for years now.Edited by Seraphayel on July 9, 2019 12:07PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭After testing it it doesn't feel really OP anymore. Almost all builds have the tools to counter dot stacking in PvP right now so I don't think it'll be that much trouble.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.5 -
Teeba_Shei✭✭✭✭✭Single target hots were buffed to counter single target hots. Everything is still balanced. You have to take all the changes into account when evaluating things. You can't just take the over buffed tooltip on someone and claim that is what the damage is normally.4 -
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✭✭enzoisadog wrote: »A skill like that shouldn't be hitting harder than other DOTs.
2k cost 27k dot (unmorphed)
Lol, its 12 seconds.
No way its OP.3 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭As mentioned, entropy is in line with other single target DoTs.
Maybe they should have put the damage per second value instead of the total damage so players wouldn't go "chicken little" over it?Playing since beta...3 -
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✭Well, looks like good combat direction to me.
Patch notes 5.1.1: Reduced 5 piece damage bonus of Oblivion's Foe set to 5%.
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I checked on PTS, and Entropy's damage over time is almost exactly the same as:
1) Fire Reach
2) Soul Trap
3) Haunting Curse
I don't see any problem here.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE6 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »enzoisadog wrote: »
Those are Rookie numbers.
Disclaimer: The following screenshot is from a discord so I cant say under which circumstances this Tooltip came into existance.
Vma weps + oblivion foe.PS4 EU DC
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭People keep comparing single target dots that last 12s with single target dots that last either longer, shorter and don't take into account passives, cost etc..
Same with comparing single target with aoe.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Besides for most boss fights you're going to have to do more than everyone slot single target dots.
You'll need aoe somewhere to aoe adds.PS4 EU DC
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Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭From some quick testing it's pretty much in line with other ST DoTs, especially when you look at it per second. It doesn't have the up front hit you get from cripple, vampire's etc. or the bonus damage from swarm.
The fact that it is a generally accessible DoT also helps ensure all magicka classes have options.
being as their core skills have been somewhat gutted and nullified.
clunky rotations, though, with some of this.
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GloryClass RepresentativeZOS finally makes other skills that are borderline useless, useful in some scenarios.
The community decides that after asking for years of skill rebalancing, we don't wantInstead of talking about tooltip - why not talk about actual combat.
The abilities don´t seem to be OP there. Just actually vaible.
This is really important... On my magplar for PvP, I'm now having to choose between Reflective Light, Entropy, and Soul Trap.
Some will say "Just run all three" - do people not realize how tight skill slots are?? What am I going to drop?
My Snare removal? My heals? My spammable? My stun?Edited by Glory on July 9, 2019 3:04PMmDK will rise again.
Rebuild Necromancer pet AI.
@Glorious since I have too many characters to list
Ádamant
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ZOS finally makes other skills that are borderline useless, useful in some scenarios.
The community decides that after asking for years of skill rebalancing, we don't wantInstead of talking about tooltip - why not talk about actual combat.
The abilities don´t seem to be OP there. Just actually vaible.
This is really important... On my magplar for PvP, I'm now having to choose between Reflective Light, Entropy, and Soul Trap.
Some will say "Just run all three" - do people not realize how tight skill slots are?? What am I going to drop?
My Snare removal? My heals? My spammable? My stun?
probably your class aoe dot. unless you are talking pvp, then i would have to see your bars.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on July 9, 2019 3:07PM0 -
mursie✭✭✭✭✭crazy how ZOS went and buffed all the dots. it's almost like they made an expansion recently with a new class that has a passive that buffs damage over time and they are hoping these damage over time buffs create the necessary pay wall need to buy expansions to roll said new class.
but that just sounds laughably outlandish. no way that could be the reason for this.1 -
Nerhesi✭✭✭✭This is good. This was one of the few MMOs where pvp was strictly setup/cc/burst.
It was sorely missing functional maintained-pressure/attrition dot builds (at least from magicka) - now they exist.
Obviously they will need to be tuned so they're not doing 5 times the damage of a direct ability; but for them to be viable, they need to be doing double to triple depending on duration.0 -
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✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ZOS finally makes other skills that are borderline useless, useful in some scenarios.
The community decides that after asking for years of skill rebalancing, we don't wantInstead of talking about tooltip - why not talk about actual combat.
The abilities don´t seem to be OP there. Just actually vaible.
This is really important... On my magplar for PvP, I'm now having to choose between Reflective Light, Entropy, and Soul Trap.
Some will say "Just run all three" - do people not realize how tight skill slots are?? What am I going to drop?
My Snare removal? My heals? My spammable? My stun?
probably your class aoe dot. unless you are talking pvp, then i would have to see your bars.
woah, never drop blazing spear as templar...still the strongest ST dot (instant hit+ dot + burning light) available for you...
quick testing results from yesterday (5x siroria, 5 spell strategist, 2x zaan. just kept aup dots, no spammable)
i used unstable wall in this test, but will most likely switch to elemental wall (longer duration) just to have some time for a spammable...but they are close together damage-wise, which is a good thing
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭crazy how ZOS went and buffed all the dots. it's almost like they made an expansion recently with a new class that has a passive that buffs damage over time and they are hoping these damage over time buffs create the necessary pay wall need to buy expansions to roll said new class.
but that just sounds laughably outlandish. no way that could be the reason for this.
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GloryClass Representativecrazy how ZOS went and buffed all the dots. it's almost like they made an expansion recently with a new class that has a passive that buffs damage over time and they are hoping these damage over time buffs create the necessary pay wall need to buy expansions to roll said new class.
but that just sounds laughably outlandish. no way that could be the reason for this.
"Many Damage over Time abilities, both single target and Area of Effect, have been re-standardized to follow similar behaviors to other ability types. Area of Effect DoTs will now be 33% weaker than a single target DoT counter-part and cost 30% more, just like direct damage AoEs vs single target ones."
List of lowered DoTs from patch notes:- Bleeds in general
- Boneyard (that P2W class!)
- Shocking Siphon (that dang P2W again!)
- Fiery Breath
- Eruption
- Lotus Fan
- Twisting Path
- Summon Shade hits
- Twilight
- Lightning Splash
- Spear Shards
- Solar Barrage
- Winter's Revenge
- Carve
- Caltrops
mDK will rise again.
Rebuild Necromancer pet AI.
@Glorious since I have too many characters to list
Ádamant
Strongly against Faction Lock1 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭crazy how ZOS went and buffed all the dots. it's almost like they made an expansion recently with a new class that has a passive that buffs damage over time and they are hoping these damage over time buffs create the necessary pay wall need to buy expansions to roll said new class.
but that just sounds laughably outlandish. no way that could be the reason for this.
"Many Damage over Time abilities, both single target and Area of Effect, have been re-standardized to follow similar behaviors to other ability types. Area of Effect DoTs will now be 33% weaker than a single target DoT counter-part and cost 30% more, just like direct damage AoEs vs single target ones."
List of lowered DoTs from patch notes:- Bleeds in general
- Boneyard (that P2W class!)
- Shocking Siphon (that dang P2W again!)
- Fiery Breath
- Eruption
- Lotus Fan
- Twisting Path
- Summon Shade hits
- Twilight
- Lightning Splash
- Spear Shards
- Solar Barrage
- Winter's Revenge
- Carve
- Caltrops
Don't you bring your logic in here.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1