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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Jaraal
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    Ogou wrote: »
    There was a totally valid official response as to why the previous loremaster left

    Yes, it was stated that he left after 10 years for "family reasons."


    Most people leave their jobs for one of three reasons:


    1) They are terminated by the employer
    2) They found a better job
    or
    3) They retire from the work force.


    If I quit my job, my family would be kicking my butt back to work to make some money! But, regardless, I hope Mr. Schick's family matters were resolved to his satisfaction.

    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • Jaraal
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    @Jaraal @Ogou
    Guys, seriously, the speculation about the loremaster doesn't belong in this thread and throwing insults at each other isn't helping us get stealth back either. It only undermines our quest for stealth as a whole and makes us seem petty. Let's not give them any reason to discount us as conspiracy theorists, no matter how tempting it may be or how many arrows point into the direction.

    Well, the timing of his departure coinciding with the bizarre changes to the lore seems significant to me. But I will cease discussion of it as you guys see fit.
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • Sergykid
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    is there a record for number of pages on a thread? cuz it's not about the topic anymore, people just like to argue

    what is this forum and why i don't like it:
    - complainers that cry without reason and without solution
    - trolls that give cheap or useless answers
    - people giving advice with counters that are not viable
    - bloggers that talk about their day or what they use in game
    - roleplayers that talk about fashion
    - people with solutions or bug reports are ignored
    - people that write walls of text without reason
  • urthsong
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    Cundu_Ertur: The archetype is not the role, however. Roles are more about actually doing things, like doing damage (DPS), absorbing damage (Tank), healing damage (Healer), or utility (buff/debuff, CC, out of combat things like finding/disarming traps, picking locks, diplomacy, etc).

    One could argue that "thieving" is a role, not an archetype. In ESO this is especially true since there is no primary skill line for a "thief" class. The Nightblade -- which is near as you get to a Rogue archetype -- is probably the class one would choose if they wanted to play the most optimized "thief" (mostly because of its evasion skills).
  • Uryel
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    Evereything that was written in that post

    That was awesome. Wish I could give you 10 awesomes at once, but sadly I can only give you one. I know you're not farming them, but still, I would.
    Edited by Uryel on June 3, 2019 9:11AM
    max_only wrote: »
    Bosmers sneaking past all the dangers in the woods. Come upon a cultist doing a ritual? Sneak past. Come upon a brigand ambush? Sneak past. Come upon a mighty beast? Sneak past. The feeling of “yesssss” when you can squeeze by in tight spaces unnoticed. Sometimes I’m able to take what I need from right under their noses.
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    You mean these now nonsensical quest dialogues are never going to be fixed? Oh boy. So much for credibility in storytelling.

    I'm not sure what you mean there. The argonians talking about poison resistance when they have non ? bosmers talking about being stealthy when they are not ? Our characters being utterly stupid and oblivious to what's happening when anyone with an IQ above that of a rock could see it coming ? The fact we can kick Molag Bals's arse or just a zillion daedra in a dungeon, but can't for saving someone's life kill THAT one in a quest and have to bargain with it instead ? Dragons returning to Tamriel even though they have been extinct for 400 years, and in a thousand years everyyone in Skyrim will say "Dragons have been exctinct for OVER 1000 years" ? Every DLC quest starter seeking me everywhere ("Do you know how long I've been looking for you ?") even though I'm just a lvl 3 nobody fresh out of the tutorial ?
    max_only wrote: »
    Bosmers sneaking past all the dangers in the woods. Come upon a cultist doing a ritual? Sneak past. Come upon a brigand ambush? Sneak past. Come upon a mighty beast? Sneak past. The feeling of “yesssss” when you can squeeze by in tight spaces unnoticed. Sometimes I’m able to take what I need from right under their noses.
  • Jaraal
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    Uryel wrote: »
    So back on the subject of stealth. As you guys might know by now, I play a Bosmer Nightblade main. Stamblade to be accurate.

    Elsweyr is a so-so update for me. Because Nightblade got nerfed for small group content, my damage + debuff skill only does damage now, my damage buff from the assassination line is gone and replaced by a defense buff (because obviously an assassin will try to buff their defense when preparing to strike a mark, hence the placement in assassination, I guess :trollface: )... As I mostly play duo with my wife who plays a magblade, I can notice the change : we're having a harder time. Not that bad, but but we definetely got nerfed. Again, the idiots from the combat team balanced *** for PvP (in previous update) and raids (in that one), entirely oblivious that most of the player base does NOT focus on those two things. Whatever.

    Not to mention the Bosmer Nightblades who, with (effective) stealth no longer being an option, gave up their Shadowy Cloak and respecced for the Dark Cloak self heal. The last class nerfs turned it from a burst heal to a slower HOT, which makes us even more vulnerable to getting burned down by PvP pressure or hard hitting bosses.

    Just a sad state of affairs for Nightblade in general, and especially for Bosmer.


    Edited by Jaraal on June 3, 2019 12:38PM
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
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    Uryel wrote: »

    Now of course, that means I have a magicka recovery bonus I don't care about from Darloc Brae, no effective 3 pieces bonus aside from stealth from Night Terror (as per usual), and basically not much of any sort of combat bonus from sets as a whole. I was used to some sacrifices for optimal stealth, but to that extent, it's new. Still, stealth is back on the menu.

    I'm still saying it shouldn't be that extreme, though. Bosmers are stealthy, FFS.

    But that still does nothing to restore lore, make quest NPCs make sense again, or make Bosmer thieves elite, as they used to be. My guy used to wear the 3 pc Night Terror and the Night's Silence set, plus he could equip the Shadowrend monster set that would proc a Clannfear to offtank a pursuing guard and reduce the damage he did to me as I escaped. But now he would have to give that up, never be as good as a Khajiit, and still be a worse thief than an Imperial with adding Darloc Brae? No thanks, he will stay retired.




    Edited by Jaraal on June 3, 2019 12:39PM
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    As of this post there are 2.2k replies and 45.4k views. Nothing within the first 10 pages of the General Discussion forums comes close. Keep it up! #BosmerStealthNow

    Let's hope ZOS realizes that having a big thread like this go ignored isn't making them look very good.
    Or perhaps that's the reason why moderation still gets the big [ Z ], to make it appear like we got our answer.

    I'm hoping that our persistence will be rewarded in the end as we have the facts on our side.

    Oh this topic is still going on? I mean this thread was ignored since it was first posted, you think they'll acknowledge it now months later after they have been silent? It would be an even bigger embarassment for them to talk about it now than to just keep ignoring it.
    Edited by Seraphayel on June 3, 2019 12:38PM
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Not to mention the Bosmer Nightblades who, with (effective) stealth no longer being an option, gave up their Shadowy Cloak and respecced for the Dark Cloak self heal. The last class nerfs turned it from a burst heal to a slower HOT, which makes us even more vulnerable to getting burned down by PvP pressure or hard hitting bosses.

    "Would you rather use a stealth passive that lasts 1 second, or a slow and weak heal over time ?"

    Well, once more, they're giving us free skill points, it seems.
    max_only wrote: »
    Bosmers sneaking past all the dangers in the woods. Come upon a cultist doing a ritual? Sneak past. Come upon a brigand ambush? Sneak past. Come upon a mighty beast? Sneak past. The feeling of “yesssss” when you can squeeze by in tight spaces unnoticed. Sometimes I’m able to take what I need from right under their noses.
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