Elong wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Forums right now... every one is like "panic mode on" .
Have any one actually tested it on PTS ? How does it work and feel ?

Oh and sorry but... but... I have to... I just have to:

^ This is literally how I felt some patches ago, and 2 patches ago and last patch. And I was told exactly what. To L2P.
Are those changes really that bad that ppl simply refuse to even hear of this ????

Could you please explain how a mag player will adapt and overcome with only being able to light attack for 3 secs?

Use a invis pot. Roll dodge. Swap to sword and shield/ice staff bar and hold block. Group up with 23 other people and have them heal you for those 3 seconds.... log out.

So many options!

It should have never even been changed in the 1st place.

What the ***?

Seriously- this is bad for any mag build.

1. You can't get away except to run with the very little stamina you have. No streak, no chains, no hasty prayer, no warden wings or even that weird warden vine. Can't even use race against time.

2. You can't heal. No class based or resto staff heal. Are mag characters supposed to slot Vigor? If we pop a potion- we have to endure attacks and counter with light attacks while waiting for the silence to wear off.

3. Roll dodging won't cut it. The attack comes from a stealth class. It comes out of nowhere.

4. At least with Negate, you can roll dodge out of it.

5. As others have pointed out- this clearly goes toward stamina bias. ZOS could make the attack "blind" the opponent for 3 seconds so that they can't attack the NB (but still be able to heal). Thus, whether your stamina or magic based- you're effected the same.

Bosov wrote: »

Use a invis pot. Roll dodge. Swap to sword and shield/ice staff bar and hold block. Group up with 23 other people and have them heal you for those 3 seconds.... log out.

So many options!

Can nightblades then please decide what potion to use against them? Detect is all the couterplay cloak Needs and invis for silence? Also using an invis potion in melee range will leave you in range of fear, pulling you out of invis immidiately, also nightblades conveniently have a free to cast anti Stealth tool that reveals you and places both of the Penetration debuffs on you. And they also might have aoe Damage abilities slotted that will pull you out of Stealth but nightblade mains should know all this .

Also where is my 45 seconds silence cooldown when there is multiple nightblades on me or a stamblade actually decides to take Advantage of their ult gen? Dont see it anywhere, thats kinda strange.

Dodgerolling for 3 seconds depletes your Stamina so you cannot break free of the following cc.

Holding block for 3 seconds will drain a lot of stam (base cost is quite high and Blocking has been nerfed multiple times) and you will still get full Damage from dots (which also get buffed by incap) and reduce Incoming Damage but doesnt ignore it.

So everytime someone runs across a stamblade and is a magicka char they Need to summon 23 People to them to have "counterplay" for one cheap ultimate? Also not everyone wants to run in a one button spam zerg and did it ever occur to you that you might be outnumbered while incapped?

Try again pls.

Frudu wrote: »

Make counterplay to nbs? (without having to waste skillslots or pots for only one class) Open up diversity in playstyles and setups for nb? (not just typical runaway 2h/bow nb or healcloak bashblade) Keep them fun to play? (did a great job creating a class that feels fun to play in its way. So make it balanced but dont destroy it)

Zos: Nope! Keep the ultra-small hitwindow aka cloakdodging away all time. So don't cry when we make everything else *** lol. You can still cloakdodge runaway. So what do you want ??

"Healcloak bashblades"? Sounds fun, never seen one, care to share your build? Im tired of the runaway nb pvp playstyle

usmcjdking wrote: »

Why is there so much focus and attention going onto a class that is not only 5 years old, but spent the last few years reigning supreme and/or competitive in PVE & PVP.

You've got entire specs that are borderline dead. You've got classes that ARE dead.

How is the stealthy invisible rogue tankier than the Paladin? Why does the Paladin have worse healing than the fire breathing Dragonknight.

?????????????????????

Whatever vision you have for classes is not in tune with consumer expectations are - not only that they aren't in tune with any expectations you've given us.

agreed. for 4-5 years players running holy warriors of the light with vampire just to have mobility and a decent ultimate. That was a sign that mobility and access to interesting ultimates were the number one priorities from the community that should have resulted before IC dropped.

I get that they want play as you want, but there neeeds to be some semblance of order and design. We STILL don't have a design intent for templars post-wrobel and most of our previous suggestions to the class reps ended up going to necromancer (including our class defining purge lol).

Zos, you have ALOT of work still and you are being lazy about it.

cheemers wrote: »

So many naysayers - this is a great change. You can still dodge or block and your previous HOTs still tick. Don't have such a meltdown.

Have you ever played magicka in PvP? If so how About you just stand in a negate and try to win a 1v1 on a mag class with only mag abilities on your bar, you may dodge and block and precast hots but not leave the negate. When you´ve done that come back and tell us how balanced and Wonderful that Change is.
If you havent just imagine everything that Costs Stamina for your character gets disabled for 3 seconds while you are Fighting 1v1 or god forbid outnumbered, sounds fun doesnt it?

Maulkin wrote: »

Removing the Mangle and adding Reave would have been nice and all they really had to do. The ult would still have been immensely strong and still slightly OP if we're honest. An ult that does good up front damage, boosts all your damage by 20%, passively boosts your sustain and costs only 75...then even stuns at 125 cost? I mean that's still the best single target ult in the game bar absolutely none.

Adding a 3" Silence instead of a Stun...I don't even. Whoever thought of that should probably stop being involved in balance discussion ever.

Yup.

What's so interesting is that NB is getting oh so much attention and rapid changes this PTS. No other class is getting this attention, positive or negative. Other classes are getting neutral changes or bug fixes.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Reporting patch notes post for being against forum TOS ... these notes are just pure bait

Would be really interesting who gave such amazing feedback to make this change lol.
"After collecting much feedback from forum threads and other outlets"

Must´ve been the Forum nightblade mains Lobby, well the ones that were convinced that a 15% Mitigation buff is a huge nerf and think that stamblade is very weak in PvP Right now.

Guess having very high burst Damage, one of the strongest dmg increased debuffs in the game (currently strongest until necro gets released) and gaining the highest class Damage Mitigation with the best snare removal skill in elsweyr wouldnt be enough to finally make stamblade viable in PvP. (sarcasm in case you cannot tell)

Keylun wrote: »

What does silence mean?

It mutes your microphone on Discord, so the others can finally get a moment’s respite