Encounter Logger: Should default be anonymous? (currently is not)

Grakdrogru · April 2019

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

LiquidPony · April 2019

Default should be non-anonymous

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

Its a shame but we can see the course of action zos is taking, with this and the new pay to win they are bringing in

VaranisArano · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

LiquidPony wrote: »

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

You are correct. The creation of the log on the 3rd party site requires someone to manually upload the recorded encounter.

On the other hand, anyone in your group can record, upload, and share any group encounter, without the consent of anyone in the group. There's is no opt-out/veto for having a log taken of an encounter. The only choice players get to make is whether or not to be anonymous (and the default is not anonymous).

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

Its a shame but we can see the course of action zos is taking, with this and the new pay to win they are bringing in

As much as I'm against this tool, I fail to see how it's related to any sort of P2W... ?

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

Its a shame but we can see the course of action zos is taking, with this and the new pay to win they are bringing in

As much as I'm against this tool, I fail to see how it's related to any sort of P2W... ?

i was not on about this, i was referring to what alot have missed buy skyshards from crown store, as i said this is on top of p2w

Jaimeh · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

You are correct. The creation of the log on the 3rd party site requires someone to manually upload the recorded encounter.

On the other hand, anyone in your group can record, upload, and share any group encounter, without the consent of anyone in the group. There's is no opt-out/veto for having a log taken of an encounter. The only choice players get to make is whether or not to be anonymous (and the default is not anonymous).

This is concerning, as there is no full opt-out. I wish they didn't have to use a separate website, and made it an in-game functionality instead somehow.

VaranisArano · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

Its a shame but we can see the course of action zos is taking, with this and the new pay to win they are bringing in

As much as I'm against this tool, I fail to see how it's related to any sort of P2W... ?

i was not on about this, i was referring to what alot have missed buy skyshards from crown store, as i said this is on top of p2w

In the interests of keeping this thread on topic instead of derailing into discussions about skyshards or P2W, here's a thread talking about skyshards on the PTS if you want to leave feedback there: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/468772/cost-for-unlocking-skyshard-hunter-for-characters#latest

MissBizz · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

IzzyStardust wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

The encounter logging system currently has the default to being non-anonymous. Do you believe the default should be left as is, or should people be anonymous by default?

I like this tool.

What I do not like is that the info is being fed to a 3rd party site. That's weird. I wish it was a ZOS only site.

I don't fully understand what of my info will be on this site to be honest!

@IzzyStardust If you do not change the "encounter logger" to be anonymous in game... then someone in your group could start the encounter logger, wait awhile, end the encounter logger, download a third party program, upload the log via that program to the website, and view your dps, gear, buffs/debuffs, character name and such like that. If you choose to select anonymous, all the gear/dps/buffs etc would be uploaded, but would have no character name attached. It doesn't include any info like your email or anything! In game stat stuff only. This process isn't automatic in any way either. Someone in group needs to choose to record that trial encounter or whatever and go about uploading it.

LiquidPony · April 2019

Default should be non-anonymous

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

You are correct. The creation of the log on the 3rd party site requires someone to manually upload the recorded encounter.

On the other hand, anyone in your group can record, upload, and share any group encounter, without the consent of anyone in the group. There's is no opt-out/veto for having a log taken of an encounter. The only choice players get to make is whether or not to be anonymous (and the default is not anonymous).

Yeah, just like anyone in the group can *actually* record, upload, and share any group encounter as a video to YouTube. Or as a log via addons that already exist. Or they can live-stream it to Twitch or Mixer or whatever else. And in none of those cases do the other players have the option to remain anonymous.

I don't actually care whether it's anonymous or not. If defaulting to anonymous calms down the pants-on-head crazy reaction a small and very vocal minority of players are having to this feature, then I guess that's good.

radiostar · April 2019

Are we being autologged by doing any content while grouped on the pts rn?

MissBizz · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

radiostar wrote: »

Are we being autologged by doing any content while grouped on the pts rn?

@radiostar No. Autologging never happens. Someone in the group needs to do /encounterlog to start a log and then /encounterlog later to end it. The text file reads like gibberish to the normal eye, so also that person needs to have downloaded the program from esologs.com and upload the log there. All logs are currently forced to be private during PTS.

Nestor · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

Like most things in Life, this should be an Opt In

anitajoneb17_ESO · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

radiostar wrote: »

Are we being autologged by doing any content while grouped on the pts rn?

Grouped or ungrouped doesn't matter. If someone you interact with combat-wise (because you heal them, they heal you, or you hit the same mob, etc.) is recording, you'll be recorded.

What do you mean with "autologged" ? That other person doesn't need your approval to log you, but they have to start the logging by typing a command.

If you haven't checked to remain anonymous, your char's name willa pear on the log. Otherwise your data will still show, but without any link to your char name or player ID.

VaranisArano · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

LiquidPony wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

You are correct. The creation of the log on the 3rd party site requires someone to manually upload the recorded encounter.

On the other hand, anyone in your group can record, upload, and share any group encounter, without the consent of anyone in the group. There's is no opt-out/veto for having a log taken of an encounter. The only choice players get to make is whether or not to be anonymous (and the default is not anonymous).

Yeah, just like anyone in the group can *actually* record, upload, and share any group encounter as a video to YouTube. Or as a log via addons that already exist. Or they can live-stream it to Twitch or Mixer or whatever else. And in none of those cases do the other players have the option to remain anonymous.

I don't actually care whether it's anonymous or not. If defaulting to anonymous calms down the pants-on-head crazy reaction a small and very vocal minority of players are having to this feature, then I guess that's good.

And in none of those examples can you actually see the combat data of any other player - except via extrapolation from something like Combat Metrics or with their direct consent if they choose to post it.

That's kind of the point of making anonymity the default. An Anonymous player on ESO Logs has the same privacy as anyone in:
A ) A twitch stream/Youtube - their character id is visible in the stream, but you can't directly see their combat data except by extrapolation.
B ) A player in a group where everyone else posts CMX parses, as again, you can't directly see their combat data except by extrapolation.

An anonymous player can be identified/matched with logged combat data via extrapolation, but is not directly identified with particular combat data. That's the same level of privacy that we currently have.

In contrast, ESO Logs assumes by default that every player consents to have their character ID directly identified with their combat data. ZOS removed an addon that did this in real-time, and believes that ESO Logs is acceptable because it does this after the encounter is over.

However, we have not had an addon before that allowed character ID to be directly identified with combat data, AND for that combat data to be made publicly available for searches and leaderboard rankings on a 3rd party site. That's a substantial expansion of what can be done with that combat data - and is why I think our consent should not be assumed.

In other words:
I think ESO Logs is a great tool, if anonymity becomes the default, and everyone gets to consent to allowing their character ID to be directly identified with their combat data for logs that can be shared, searched, and ranked.

ESO Logs currently assumes that every player ever consents to allowing their character ID to be directly identified with their combat data for logs that can be shared, searched, and ranked., and I think that's a problem.

radiostar · April 2019

I meant whatever this poll is discussing. I realize we can all clip each other and post it up to youtube or w/e. Just trying to figure out why this poll suggests opt in or anon. Missed the last eso live so I guess I'll go back and look it up.

VaranisArano · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

radiostar wrote: »

I meant whatever this poll is discussing. I realize we can all clip each other and post it up to youtube or w/e. Just trying to figure out why this poll suggests opt in or anon. Missed the last eso live so I guess I'll go back and look it up.

This poll is dicussing the ability of players to set themselves as "Anonymous" for Eso Logs, which is described by Kihra, one the tool's developers, in more detail on this thread as well: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/467949/encounter-logging/

Esentially, as it is currently designed, ESO has an in-game check box that allows players to set themselves as "Anonymous" for ESO Logs.

What this means is that if anyone recorded and uploads their log of an group content encounter that you were present in:

If the box is unchecked, your character ID will be included in the log that is uploaded to the ESO Logs website. The uploader gets to decide if the log is Public, Private, or Unlisted. All of those types may be shared with whoever the uploader wants, and Public logs are searchable and able to be ranked on leaderboards.
If the box is checked, your character ID will be replaced with Anonymous, so that your character ID is not recorded. As above, the log can still be Public, Private, or Unlisted, shared with whoever the uploader wants. Anonymous characters cannot be searched or ranked.

The request made in the poll is simply:

Should anonymous be the default (No one has to check a box to be anonymous, but can check the box to consent to their character ID being included on the Log)
OR
Should non-anonymous be the default (As it currently is, everyone automatically consents to have their character ID included on the Log, but can check a box to become anonymous)

Its not discussing "opt-in to being logged at all" or "veto the encounter log" as that's a more complex topic, which Kihra addressed on the link above.

I hope that clarifies the poll options!

radiostar · April 2019

Yes, ty, Varanis. Appreciate it

LiquidPony · April 2019

Default should be non-anonymous

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

You are correct. The creation of the log on the 3rd party site requires someone to manually upload the recorded encounter.

On the other hand, anyone in your group can record, upload, and share any group encounter, without the consent of anyone in the group. There's is no opt-out/veto for having a log taken of an encounter. The only choice players get to make is whether or not to be anonymous (and the default is not anonymous).

Yeah, just like anyone in the group can *actually* record, upload, and share any group encounter as a video to YouTube. Or as a log via addons that already exist. Or they can live-stream it to Twitch or Mixer or whatever else. And in none of those cases do the other players have the option to remain anonymous.

I don't actually care whether it's anonymous or not. If defaulting to anonymous calms down the pants-on-head crazy reaction a small and very vocal minority of players are having to this feature, then I guess that's good.

And in none of those examples can you actually see the combat data of any other player - except via extrapolation from something like Combat Metrics or with their direct consent if they choose to post it.

That's kind of the point of making anonymity the default. An Anonymous player on ESO Logs has the same privacy as anyone in:
A ) A twitch stream/Youtube - their character id is visible in the stream, but you can't directly see their combat data except by extrapolation.
B ) A player in a group where everyone else posts CMX parses, as again, you can't directly see their combat data except by extrapolation.

An anonymous player can be identified/matched with logged combat data via extrapolation, but is not directly identified with particular combat data. That's the same level of privacy that we currently have.

In contrast, ESO Logs assumes by default that every player consents to have their character ID directly identified with their combat data. ZOS removed an addon that did this in real-time, and believes that ESO Logs is acceptable because it does this after the encounter is over.

However, we have not had an addon before that allowed character ID to be directly identified with combat data, AND for that combat data to be made publicly available for searches and leaderboard rankings on a 3rd party site. That's a substantial expansion of what can be done with that combat data - and is why I think our consent should not be assumed.

In other words:
I think ESO Logs is a great tool, if anonymity becomes the default, and everyone gets to consent to allowing their character ID to be directly identified with their combat data for logs that can be shared, searched, and ranked.

ESO Logs currently assumes that every player ever consents to allowing their character ID to be directly identified with their combat data for logs that can be shared, searched, and ranked., and I think that's a problem.

None of this actually addresses the root question, though.

Why does "combat data" need to be held to a higher standard than any other form of recording?

I mean if I was concerned about my "privacy" I'd be much more concerned with people streaming my gameplay and any chat interactions (both voice and text if we're in Discord/TS together) on Twitch or uploading to YouTube than I would be about combat data.

Wolfkeks · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

MissBizz wrote: »

I am ALL FOR this encounter logger, but I really think the default needs to be anonymous.

My reasoning is as follows:

The intentions for this tool is organized groups, who are aware the tool is available and being used. They can then be told to make their setting non-anonymous if they want.

New players will have -no idea- this even exists, so their player names and stats will be building up on this site they may not even know exists.

Lots of people (current players) honestly won't even know this exists and won't ever bother checking it to be anonymous. To help those who knowingly WANT to be anonymous, having it set as default anonymous makes it more likely that there won't only be a single person set to anonymous. This way there is more anonymity in being anonymous.

You pretty much summed it up! The tool is a good idea but as some people may not know it exists (I walked into Elsweyr to try out the new trial, leader asked if he could use combat logs and people asked what this is

) or what it does.
Also an idea would be an info box popping up explaining what combat logs is, maybe the first time you do a dungeon or so, like the other info boxes we get when we first do writs or upgrade weapons

josh.lackey_ESO · April 2019

Default should be non-anonymous

Just add it back to the game API.

VaranisArano · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

LiquidPony wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

ENER-23 wrote: »

logging to 3rd party sites should be disable by default, anonymous or not.
Thats Data monetization.

You have to manually upload the log. It is not "logged to a 3rd party site".

You are correct. The creation of the log on the 3rd party site requires someone to manually upload the recorded encounter.

On the other hand, anyone in your group can record, upload, and share any group encounter, without the consent of anyone in the group. There's is no opt-out/veto for having a log taken of an encounter. The only choice players get to make is whether or not to be anonymous (and the default is not anonymous).

Yeah, just like anyone in the group can *actually* record, upload, and share any group encounter as a video to YouTube. Or as a log via addons that already exist. Or they can live-stream it to Twitch or Mixer or whatever else. And in none of those cases do the other players have the option to remain anonymous.

I don't actually care whether it's anonymous or not. If defaulting to anonymous calms down the pants-on-head crazy reaction a small and very vocal minority of players are having to this feature, then I guess that's good.

And in none of those examples can you actually see the combat data of any other player - except via extrapolation from something like Combat Metrics or with their direct consent if they choose to post it.

That's kind of the point of making anonymity the default. An Anonymous player on ESO Logs has the same privacy as anyone in:
A ) A twitch stream/Youtube - their character id is visible in the stream, but you can't directly see their combat data except by extrapolation.
B ) A player in a group where everyone else posts CMX parses, as again, you can't directly see their combat data except by extrapolation.

An anonymous player can be identified/matched with logged combat data via extrapolation, but is not directly identified with particular combat data. That's the same level of privacy that we currently have.

In contrast, ESO Logs assumes by default that every player consents to have their character ID directly identified with their combat data. ZOS removed an addon that did this in real-time, and believes that ESO Logs is acceptable because it does this after the encounter is over.

However, we have not had an addon before that allowed character ID to be directly identified with combat data, AND for that combat data to be made publicly available for searches and leaderboard rankings on a 3rd party site. That's a substantial expansion of what can be done with that combat data - and is why I think our consent should not be assumed.

In other words:
I think ESO Logs is a great tool, if anonymity becomes the default, and everyone gets to consent to allowing their character ID to be directly identified with their combat data for logs that can be shared, searched, and ranked.

ESO Logs currently assumes that every player ever consents to allowing their character ID to be directly identified with their combat data for logs that can be shared, searched, and ranked., and I think that's a problem.

None of this actually addresses the root question, though.

Why does "combat data" need to be held to a higher standard than any other form of recording?

I mean if I was concerned about my "privacy" I'd be much more concerned with people streaming my gameplay and any chat interactions (both voice and text if we're in Discord/TS together) on Twitch or uploading to YouTube than I would be about combat data.

Because in the past, ZOS has not allowed our combat data to be directly tied to our character name. They removed the API function for an add-on that did it in game. ZOS is only reinstating that now because the log happens after the fact - except that ESO Logs makes the character ID + combat data far more publicly available for searches and ranking than anything else we've had. This concerns me - its not just the combat data, its the assumption that we are totally fine with our combat data + Character ID being available on a 3rd party website for searches and ranking. You may be more concerned about streaming or chat, but ZOS has not been.

I believe I already clarified how streaming/video recording or using CMX is identical in terms of combat data to the case of an anonymous player in an ESO Log. If I need to explain that with more clarity, let me know. I'm unfamiliar with what happens if someone recorded in a youtube video or twitch stream requests that it be removed, so I haven't brought that up.

My main concern is that as this tool is introduced, its very easy for players to miss the check box to become anonymous, particularly new and returning players. By default, there's a lot of potential for players to have their character IDs recorded and shared, creating a publicly available record on them that exceeds what some random player is going to get through being in the background of a stream or a youtuber's recording. If those players later discover ESO Logs and decide they don't want that info publicly available, they have to jump through hoops as stated in my original post here to turn their data to hidden.

I'd rather just be proactive. Set everyone to anonymous. Let everyone have a box to check if they want their character ID shown. Then nobody has to worry about it.

VaranisArano · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Just add it back to the game API.

ZOS specifically chose not to do that...

ZOS_BobbyWeir wrote: »

...You may remember that years ago, our addon API unintentionally allowed the ability to show group combat data in real time. While we saw a merit in this as tool, we disabled that capability due to the potential for misuse with having this information readily accessible in the game and in real time. Encounter logging provides a deep look into the same data, but external to the game and not in true real time. We believe these distinctions will swing the balance back towards using a tool like this for constructive purposes rather than nefarious ones. Additionally, we have added a setting located in the Combat settings menu that hides your character name from encounter logs. This means any combat events that are logged while you are present will display anonymously.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/467949/encounter-logging/p1

In any case, if you are interested in reviewing the historical reasons for ZOS removing that functionality in the first place.

This thread summs up a lot of reasons, along with the debate over the issue. I particularly went looking for what ZOS said at the time they changed the original API. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/424995/more-transparency-about-dmg-in-dungeon/p6

Specifically:

So the change came in Patch 2.2.10
"Addons
Combat events that do not involve the player no longer have source unit IDs."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/25575

There's a comment by a ZOS dev on the comments of the Group Damage add on (the one that had this function) stating it was an oversight and not intended: http://www.esoui.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=1259&so=DESC&page=3#comments

As explained by Gina in this thread, this means that add-ons can't assign names of other players to combat events. Essentially, you can have a self-dps counter and a whole group counter, but the API functions that allowed the Group Damage add on to display individual DPS no longer work. (Apparently, the devs may have commented on this on ESO Live, but I can't check this or find specific info I'd be willing to quote) https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2615322#Comment_2615322

Further down in that thread, Gina Bruno says:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/241251/spy-addon-group-damage/p19
"Though there are good and bad things about this addon, we believe that using this type of addon isn’t in the spirit of our game and encourages spying on other players without their permission. Ultimately, we don’t want players being evaluated and discriminated against based on data they don’t know is being broadcast. You will still be able to use addons that show your own combat data if you so choose to, which you can share with others."

That thread should also give you an idea of the conversation around the time of the API function removal. Its not that different from our discussion now in 2018.

This thread discussing the practical API changes has a ZOS staff member discussing the reasons for removing the function and some of the alternatives they considered as well as why they decided those alternatives weren't used. Kicking people for low DPS and the fear people would be kicked for opting out of showing their DPS was part of their decisionmaking process: http://www.esoui.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6024

To summarize for anyone who doesn't want to wade through all the sources like I did:

The Group Damage add on allowed players to view individual DPS from each group member without player consent. Many players liked this, many players complained, for approximately the same reasons rehashed in this thread.

ZOS removed the function to assign names to combat events, only permitting the API to release self DPS counters and whole group DPS counters.

In the ZOS staff member's commentary, they stated that DPS counts aren't the whole of the fight, and allowing individual DPS counters without consent would lead to people being unfairly kicked for bad pulls or being below the group leader's idea of desired DPS. Additionally, they considered an option to opt out of DPS sharing, but ultimately decided that people would in practice by kicked/assumed to be bad if they opted out of showing their,DPS.

Glory · April 2019

I don't care either way personally, but it should probably be anonymous by default to please those who are afraid of being tracked.

Easy solution, and better than removing it entirely.

Ydrisselle · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

Here is the first test of the tool by @majulook :

majulook wrote: »

So on PTS I made myself a template character, set them to Anonymous found a place that had so bad guys, started the log process, and started fighting stuff for few minutes, and ended the logging process.

I started looking at the log, could not find any identifiable info like my @name or character name This is good anonymous works as it is supposed. I did see my class since the log shows my gear and abilities.

I looking through the log found that it that picked up another player that was in the area. This player was not anonymous and shows a @name and what I believe is character name which if they were not anonymous it should show.

I was not in a group, and it picked him up, which I did not realize was possible as I thought it was a a group only tool. I looked back through the threads and yep, it is stated that logger will pickup anyone around the person using the logging process.

Just be sure if you do not want to have your @name or character name picked up by the logging process set yourself to anonymous.

I will most likely use this or be in a group that wants to use it at some point.

IMHO (and that's all this my opinion) this tool needs to be set to Anonymous by default.

Note:

Almost all of the info in the log is strings of info like the following snippets of my info that was logged, you can see one of the named monster that I fought and the ability they used against me. ALL of the below snippets are of the log prior to the added player :

4055,ABILITY_INFO,46356,"Force Pulse","/esoui/art/icons/ability_destructionstaff_001b.dds",T,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,117637,"Ricochet Skull","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_001_b.dds",F,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,117919,"Hexproof","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_014_a.dds",F,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,118623,"Deaden Pain","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_011_a.dds",F,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,118008,"Mystic Siphon","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_005_a.dds",F,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,122388,"Glacial Colossus","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_006_a.dds",F,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,39167,"Storm Pulsar","/esoui/art/icons/ability_destructionstaff_009_b.dds",T,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,118912,"Spirit Guardian","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_015_a.dds",F,T
4055,ABILITY_INFO,118279,"Ravenous Goliath","/esoui/art/icons/ability_necromancer_012_b.dds",F,T

[CHEST,149281,T,16,ARMOR_DIVINES,LEGENDARY,440,MAGICKA,T,16,LEGENDARY],
[MAIN_HAND,150029,T,16,WEAPON_PRECISE,LEGENDARY,444,ABSORB_MAGICKA,T,16,LEGENDARY],

5580,COMBAT_EVENT,HOT_TICK,GENERIC,MAGICKA,0,5677,3315959,34836,5533,17150/17150,40102/40102,12389/12389,411/500,0/1000,0,0.6406,0.2403,1.6157,*
6018,UNIT_ADDED,5479,MONSTER,F,0,88412,F,0,0,"Euraxian Knight","",0,50,160,0,HOSTILE,F
6018,ABILITY_INFO,34646,"Lava Whip","/esoui/art/icons/ability_dragonknight_001.dds",F,T
6018,BEGIN_CAST,1800,F,3318063,34646,5479,34501/34501,0/0,0/0,0/0,0/0,0,0.6582,0.2587,0.9362,1,20609/20609,40767/40767,14130/15567,500/500,0/1000,0,0.6575,0.2582,3.4591
6252,COMBAT_EVENT,ABILITY_ON_COOLDOWN,FIRE,INVALID,0,0,4294967295,117637,1,20609/20609,40767/40767,14130/15567,500/500,0/1000,0,0.6575,0.2582,4.0086,*

It's recording everybody even if they aren't in a group with you. That's why the default setting should be 'anonymous' for everyone.

IzzyStardust · April 2019

MissBizz wrote: »

IzzyStardust wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

The encounter logging system currently has the default to being non-anonymous. Do you believe the default should be left as is, or should people be anonymous by default?

I like this tool.

What I do not like is that the info is being fed to a 3rd party site. That's weird. I wish it was a ZOS only site.

I don't fully understand what of my info will be on this site to be honest!

@IzzyStardust If you do not change the "encounter logger" to be anonymous in game... then someone in your group could start the encounter logger, wait awhile, end the encounter logger, download a third party program, upload the log via that program to the website, and view your dps, gear, buffs/debuffs, character name and such like that. If you choose to select anonymous, all the gear/dps/buffs etc would be uploaded, but would have no character name attached. It doesn't include any info like your email or anything! In game stat stuff only. This process isn't automatic in any way either. Someone in group needs to choose to record that trial encounter or whatever and go about uploading it.

I'm not gonna bother changing it to anonymous because I don't really care - if you know what I mean?

I just think a 3rd party website should not be involved in the process. I guess this is the best way to say it.

Nothing in game should rely on a 3rd party like this. For many reasons.

code65536 · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

Of course the default should be anonymous.

Organized groups will just ask their members to turn it on. No big deal.

SirAndy · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

The default needs to be *OFF* with none of your data being submitted and only if you opt-in should it send your data and you should then have the option to send your data anonymously or public.

This really isn't rocket surgery ...

Mudcrabber · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

Anonymous by default, but only so people will stop raging like it's the end of the world and threatening legal action.

MissBizz · April 2019

Default should be anonymous

SirAndy wrote: »

The default needs to be *OFF* with none of your data being submitted and only in you opt-in should it send your data and you should then have the option to send your data anonymously or public.

This really isn't rocket surgery ...

@SirAndy if no combat data was sent from certain players it would make everyone at that point unable to have logging since the website needs all the combat data to correctly display any. So essentially myself as a player wouldn't be able to analyze my own logs in random groups if even just 1 person had it off. Not sure you were aware of that.