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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.
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wedgebert✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Although honestly I doubt he'll see it.
And if he does, he doesn't apparently either doesn't play Bosmer or runs of one of the esoteric roll-dodge builds in PvP.
At the very least the people responsible could actually speak to the players and explain why- Only Bosmer and Altmer are saddled with PvP only talents
- Why such a lore breaking and player frustrating change can't just be put back (I'm talking about just stealth detect -> stealth radius)
- Why Bosmer are the only race to be given a "passive" that requires burning large amounts of a resource when every other race that has a resource-consuming passive is triggered by something they were already doing. (I guess is kind of part of the PvP only quest)
Why don't companies realize that good two-way communication between players and staff is one of the most important ways to keep your customer base happy (and paying)?11 -
anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »I have to admit that doubling and tripling down on the mistakes of the rebalance is disappointing.
It really, really is - and being dismissed with essentially "well we like it, so whatevs" doesn't feel that great. At the risk of sounding like a drama queen, I just cancelled my ESO+ sub. I'll still play, but my heart just isn't in it anymore.9 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »From another thread:
Hey, RobRob Actively Reads the Forum
Rob confirmed whilst he doesn’t comment on threads, he is active in reading what people are talking about and what people are annoyed with or expressing concerns about.
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No Plans for Changes in Racial Passives
They don’t have plans at this time to revisit racial passives, they’re happy with where they are.
I did overhear in a different conversation where there was talk of changes in Elsweyr, although this was a comment I heard walking past so can’t confirm if true or context as it contradicts what I heard in a direct conversation.
Seriously, rethink this. The Bosmer 3rd passive (Hunter's Eye) is garbage. Counter-stealth is completely counter lore, completely 100% useless in PVE, and seriously underpowered (and actually counter-productive) in PVP. The roll-dodge shenanigans are underwhelming as well given the stamina cost and the need to under-build penetration in order to get any benefit from the added penetration. Frankly, the best use of the third passive is spending the skill points elsewhere. I will readily grant that the other two passives are ok, and actually a significant improvement; though I support the Argonian effort to get their poison resistance back, and swapping this should be at least considered.
I have to admit that doubling and tripling down on the mistakes of the rebalance is disappointing. Without mastery of stealth and without mastery of archery (Orcs and Dunmer are better at doing damage with bows, Redguards and Imperials have cheaper Bow skill use) THERE ARE NO BOSMER NOW from a lore perspective.
Although honestly I doubt he'll see it.
Well, at least from Q&A you may see that there is no special ignorance for bosmers or stealth etc. On every point, regarding community concerns and which were selected by reps as often mentioned and important, answer is "NO".4 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.
No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live. Again, there was no indication that anything would change. We had a PTR cycle with commentary they adjusted some racials and others were not touched. ZOS settled down on them and maybe it's time to finally accept it.Edited by Seraphayel on March 28, 2019 3:11PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'll bet if they gave every other race a PvP only racial, the outcry would be overwhelming.
Edited by Jaraal on March 28, 2019 5:18PM5 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -2 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
If this was WoW Seraphayel would be known as a “White Knight” a person who defends the game maker company beyond any reason to the point of absurdity.
If it is because of some financial insecurity and the need to prove the money they spent is well placed, or just for enjoyment of seeing people get upset over their comments, or some other odd reason, the best course of action is just to ignore them.
I will be in Boston tomorrow and I will be at that hall all day. I will make sure our voice is heard.11 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.
Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.
Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.0 -
KMarble✭✭✭✭✭A_Silverius wrote: »I wanted to get in some playtime on my Bosmer Stamblade before commenting here. This has been my main toon for years and I was definitely nervous when I saw they were changing their passives.
Pre Wrathstone: My Bosmer Stamblade cleared all Craglorn HM's, VAS, VMOL, VHOF, and achieved Flawless Conqueror, and was a solid player in Cyrodiil.
Since Wrathstone: I've done all of those things and I'm still loving it in Cyrodiil. The extra penetration and speed after roll dodge is pretty niche but I'm loving it. For end game content at least, Bosmer is in a better place than it was before.
Now if you're on a Bosmer that isn't a nightblade, you may have slightly more difficulty than before doing DB sacraments, thieves guild heists, and pickpocketing maybe. But if you've trying those on any race on a non nightblade I'd recommend Invis, Speed pots. They're in the game, use them.
The only other reason I see people complaining about this passive change is lore. In other games, Bosmer are sneaky. This isn't other games. Zos runs it, they write the lore, they decide how different races will perform and if you don't like it and want to play a game where Bosmer get stealth passives, go play that game.
Overall I think Bosmer benefited greatly from this change and am very happy with where it is.
I love how you didn't mention stealth detection anywhere:)
The stealth detection passive is as worthless in any end game content as the argonian super swimmers and the Khajiit's pickpocket chance. Imo passives like these are simply there to add flavor to that race. Why Zos decided to change this one; don't know, don't care as it hasn't changed a single aspect of the game as far as I'm concerned.
Both the increased swimming speed and the pickpocket chances have uses, though.3 -
anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.
Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.
Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.
I never minded the subscription, and I absolutely thought it was worth it. I also play for fun, not a min/maxer, etc. But I have been very disappointed in the way the game has been going of late, and while I still enjoy playing from time to time with my friends - the way they handled this racial change mess was the decider. I am not encouraged to give them any more financial support than what I already have in buying the game and paying for the sub all these years.Edited by anadandy on March 28, 2019 3:48PM3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.
Why? And what punishment? You're just one person and/or a small group.
The rest of us don't have a problem.
If you want to "punish" a multi-billion corporation by not giving them chump change, go for it.
Most of us play and subscribe and don't really care about much other than server issues, lag time and "bots".
Racial passives and minor adjustments to skills just aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
What I want is unlimited Health, Magicka and Stamina. Nothing less. At level 2 as a perk, of course.2 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.
Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.
Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.
I never minded the subscription, and I absolutely thought it was worth it. I also play for fun, not a min/maxer, etc. But I have been very disappointed in the way the game has been going of late, and while I still enjoy playing from time to time with my friends - the way they handled this racial change mess was the decider. I am not encouraged to give them any more financial support than what I already have in buying the game and paying for the sub all these years.
Since I've been here since release on the PS4, frankly, it's a heck of a lot better than it was.
Admittedly, sometimes I need to take breaks, but I just love the "leveled" enemy thing.
Now it's like Skyrim and I AM A GOD!
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.
Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.
Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.
I never minded the subscription, and I absolutely thought it was worth it. I also play for fun, not a min/maxer, etc. But I have been very disappointed in the way the game has been going of late, and while I still enjoy playing from time to time with my friends - the way they handled this racial change mess was the decider. I am not encouraged to give them any more financial support than what I already have in buying the game and paying for the sub all these years.
Since I've been here since release on the PS4, frankly, it's a heck of a lot better than it was.
Admittedly, sometimes I need to take breaks, but I just love the "leveled" enemy thing.
Now it's like Skyrim and I AM A GOD!
Well I have been playing since beta on the pc/Mac. I am not sure if you understand the controversy over the racial changes made to bosmers or not, but the changes to their stealth passive (or rather their lack of a stealth passive) is what many of us are upset about. And the subject of this thread.
Yes, Tamriel unlimited was a great change, but that’s a different subject entirely.
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Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.
No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live. Again, there was no indication that anything would change. We had a PTR cycle with commentary they adjusted some racials and others were not touched. ZOS settled down on them and maybe it's time to finally accept it.
Never. THERE ARE NO BOSMER NOW. I'm sorry that you cannot understand the lore of the past 25 years behind this assertion, but it is there, it hasn't gone anywhere, and it will not change.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.12 -
wedgebert✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Never. THERE ARE NO BOSMER NOW. I'm sorry that you cannot understand the lore of the past 25 years behind this assertion, but it is there, it hasn't gone anywhere, and it will not change.
I totally agree and almost went and made a new post called something like "Can we rename Bosmer to something else since they're not Bosmer" but figured it would just get ignored and/or reported.
I read through the class rep application thread and there's apparently a class rep discord. Maybe some of us need to get on there and reiterate our points directly to the reps and get their thoughts8 -
Koronach✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.
No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live. Again, there was no indication that anything would change. We had a PTR cycle with commentary they adjusted some racials and others were not touched. ZOS settled down on them and maybe it's time to finally accept it.
Nope not as long as they are breaking ingrained lore within ESO itself. They either fix lore breaking changes or they are proving they are straight up liars. They said they wanted to preserve established lore and did the opposite. A lot of people care about the games lore and when the game says you should have something and you don't, that's broken and should be fixed.Edited by Koronach on March 28, 2019 4:29PM9 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.
No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live. Again, there was no indication that anything would change. We had a PTR cycle with commentary they adjusted some racials and others were not touched. ZOS settled down on them and maybe it's time to finally accept it.
Nope not as long as they are breaking ingrained lore within ESO itself. They either fix lore breaking changes or they are proving they are straight up liars. They said they wanted to preserve established lore and did the opposite. A lot of people care about the games lore and when the game says you should have something and you don't, that's broken and should be fixed.
Reps were providing feedback, even on PTS. Can't say they pushed a lot for stealth issue, but a lot of them clearly stated that orc is hilariously OP. As you can see - ZOS reaction - "we are happy with new racial passives".Edited by MartiniDaniels on March 28, 2019 4:32PM8 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Rename Bosmer to Imga and give them ape faces, and that would be more lore appropriate. We've only got one picture of an Imga from Daggerfall era concept art, and there's no tail so those people who don't like tails won't have to race change. No stealth + no special aptitude for archery = not Bosmer. But Imga are wide open, you can do anything with them, they've never been playable before.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:ImgaTaking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.9 -
Khipu✭✭✭If I delete my Imga or change her name will I get that name back upon creating my most beloved character, for the past 14 years, over again, into something that's anything but an Imga? Or, is there a period of time in which I could get the name back or would she be lost forever if I recreated her? I just need to do something ff'ss
btw, "Not a Bosmer" was taken almost immediately by a clever and quick soul, ha!
Sejreia-Efeliel-Olympias-Emerald Ire-Asifi Kare-Skips~on~Starfire-Everbloom-Sugrahdun-Elsreia-CeruvalPC NAMMORPG:2004-2019Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty. - @Cundu_Ertur“Keep your face always toward the sunshine - and shadows will fall behind you.” ― Walt Whitman7 -
anadandy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭And there it is. I'm laying money down that this is the planned "open stealth to all" idea that was the reason Bosmer got the shaft.
Vesture of Darloc Brae (Overland Elsweyr set)
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of sneak by 10%.
(5 items) While crouching, you restore 647 Magicka and Stamina and heal for 698 every second.
Source
They gutted the race to pimp a new set. (yes, overly dramatic)11 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And there it is. I'm laying money down that this is the planned "open stealth to all" idea that was the reason Bosmer got the shaft.
Vesture of Darloc Brae (Overland Elsweyr set)
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of sneak by 10%.
(5 items) While crouching, you restore 647 Magicka and Stamina and heal for 698 every second.
Source
They gutted the race to pimp a new set. (yes, overly dramatic)
ZOS is making some serious shuffle with this set. 5th bonus equivalent recovery is hilarious and permacloaked NBs will rock. To counter act this demand for detection will jump. And here we are, irreplaceable member of any PVP group - Imga with way of air and sentry set!
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Never. THERE ARE NO BOSMER NOW. I'm sorry that you cannot understand the lore of the past 25 years behind this assertion, but it is there, it hasn't gone anywhere, and it will not change.
I totally agree and almost went and made a new post called something like "Can we rename Bosmer to something else since they're not Bosmer" but figured it would just get ignored and/or reported.
I still think they should now be called Falmer. Ugly, blind and corrupted elves.... but hey, they can smell your stealthed behind from three meters away! Watch them roll through you and knock you down (Morihaus) like mutated circus acrobats, leaving behind a rune to blow you up (Eternal Hunt)..... as they tumble into shameful ostracism: the laughing stock of proper stand up swordsmen and spell casters everywhere. Form a line at your forward camp to receive your participation trophy and uncracked geode ration... if you survived the lag spike loading screen.
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DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭And there it is. I'm laying money down that this is the planned "open stealth to all" idea that was the reason Bosmer got the shaft.
Vesture of Darloc Brae (Overland Elsweyr set)
Set bonus
(2 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Reduces the radius you can be detected while sneaking by 2 meters. Reduces the cost of sneak by 10%.
(5 items) While crouching, you restore 647 Magicka and Stamina and heal for 698 every second.
Source
They gutted the race to pimp a new set. (yes, overly dramatic)
Is that like "Rugs" or "Boots". I mean, "gutting the race"...0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Another thing I'm curious about: can Bosmer NPC guards now detect sneaking criminals 3 meters farther away? If not, then they're not really Bosmer, are they? Or is that the preferred job of Bosmer who flunked out of stealth detection class?7 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.
Why? And what punishment? You're just one person and/or a small group.
The rest of us don't have a problem.
If you want to "punish" a multi-billion corporation by not giving them chump change, go for it.
Most of us play and subscribe and don't really care about much other than server issues, lag time and "bots".
Racial passives and minor adjustments to skills just aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
What I want is unlimited Health, Magicka and Stamina. Nothing less. At level 2 as a perk, of course.
You missed the mark. I have absolutely no problem. It's the Bosmer crowd in this thread that can't accept what's reality now.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.
Why? And what punishment? You're just one person and/or a small group.
The rest of us don't have a problem.
If you want to "punish" a multi-billion corporation by not giving them chump change, go for it.
Most of us play and subscribe and don't really care about much other than server issues, lag time and "bots".
Racial passives and minor adjustments to skills just aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
What I want is unlimited Health, Magicka and Stamina. Nothing less. At level 2 as a perk, of course.
You missed the mark. I have absolutely no problem. It's the Bosmer crowd in this thread that can't accept what's reality now.
Touche and I apologize if I misread.
Thank you for setting me straight.
I do love my bosmers though.
They're short, they're cute and they're awesome with a bow.
I don't really care otherwise.
It's all about the looks to me.
You might be able to tell that I'm not very good at PvP. 0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.
Why? And what punishment? You're just one person and/or a small group.
The rest of us don't have a problem.
If you want to "punish" a multi-billion corporation by not giving them chump change, go for it.
Most of us play and subscribe and don't really care about much other than server issues, lag time and "bots".
Racial passives and minor adjustments to skills just aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
What I want is unlimited Health, Magicka and Stamina. Nothing less. At level 2 as a perk, of course.
You missed the mark. I have absolutely no problem. It's the Bosmer crowd in this thread that can't accept what's reality now.
Touche and I apologize if I misread.
Thank you for setting me straight.
I do love my bosmers though.
They're short, they're cute and they're awesome with a bow.
I don't really care otherwise.
It's all about the looks to me.
You might be able to tell that I'm not very good at PvP.
Well my comment was just an answer to another guy who said he quit his ESO+.
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And they have antlers! That's the best about Bosmer.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -1 -
DenMoria✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »
Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.
Why? And what punishment? You're just one person and/or a small group.
The rest of us don't have a problem.
If you want to "punish" a multi-billion corporation by not giving them chump change, go for it.
Most of us play and subscribe and don't really care about much other than server issues, lag time and "bots".
Racial passives and minor adjustments to skills just aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.
What I want is unlimited Health, Magicka and Stamina. Nothing less. At level 2 as a perk, of course.
You missed the mark. I have absolutely no problem. It's the Bosmer crowd in this thread that can't accept what's reality now.
Touche and I apologize if I misread.
Thank you for setting me straight.
I do love my bosmers though.
They're short, they're cute and they're awesome with a bow.
I don't really care otherwise.
It's all about the looks to me.
You might be able to tell that I'm not very good at PvP.
Well my comment was just an answer to another guy who said he quit his ESO+.
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And they have antlers! That's the best about Bosmer.
That's a shame. He'll be back though. We always come back. 0
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