Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Blinkin8r
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    Blinkin8r wrote: »
    I wanted to get in some playtime on my Bosmer Stamblade before commenting here. This has been my main toon for years and I was definitely nervous when I saw they were changing their passives.
    Pre Wrathstone: My Bosmer Stamblade cleared all Craglorn HM's, VAS, VMOL, VHOF, and achieved Flawless Conqueror, and was a solid player in Cyrodiil.
    Since Wrathstone: I've done all of those things and I'm still loving it in Cyrodiil. The extra penetration and speed after roll dodge is pretty niche but I'm loving it. For end game content at least, Bosmer is in a better place than it was before.

    Now if you're on a Bosmer that isn't a nightblade, you may have slightly more difficulty than before doing DB sacraments, thieves guild heists, and pickpocketing maybe. But if you've trying those on any race on a non nightblade I'd recommend Invis, Speed pots. They're in the game, use them.

    The only other reason I see people complaining about this passive change is lore. In other games, Bosmer are sneaky. This isn't other games. Zos runs it, they write the lore, they decide how different races will perform and if you don't like it and want to play a game where Bosmer get stealth passives, go play that game.

    Overall I think Bosmer benefited greatly from this change and am very happy with where it is.

    I love how you didn't mention stealth detection anywhere:)

    The stealth detection passive is as worthless in any end game content as the argonian super swimmers and the Khajiit's pickpocket chance. Imo passives like these are simply there to add flavor to that race. Why Zos decided to change this one; don't know, don't care as it hasn't changed a single aspect of the game as far as I'm concerned.
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  • BlueRaven
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    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    I will be on the road for most of the afternoon tomorrow as I drive up to Albany (and then to Boston on Friday), so hopefully we will have some good news before I get there.
  • MartiniDaniels
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    From another thread:
    Turelus wrote: »
    Rob Actively Reads the Forum
    Rob confirmed whilst he doesn’t comment on threads, he is active in reading what people are talking about and what people are annoyed with or expressing concerns about.
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    No Plans for Changes in Racial Passives
    They don’t have plans at this time to revisit racial passives, they’re happy with where they are.
    I did overhear in a different conversation where there was talk of changes in Elsweyr, although this was a comment I heard walking past so can’t confirm if true or context as it contradicts what I heard in a direct conversation.
    Hey, Rob

    Seriously, rethink this. The Bosmer 3rd passive (Hunter's Eye) is garbage. Counter-stealth is completely counter lore, completely 100% useless in PVE, and seriously underpowered (and actually counter-productive) in PVP. The roll-dodge shenanigans are underwhelming as well given the stamina cost and the need to under-build penetration in order to get any benefit from the added penetration. Frankly, the best use of the third passive is spending the skill points elsewhere. I will readily grant that the other two passives are ok, and actually a significant improvement; though I support the Argonian effort to get their poison resistance back, and swapping this should be at least considered.

    I have to admit that doubling and tripling down on the mistakes of the rebalance is disappointing. Without mastery of stealth and without mastery of archery (Orcs and Dunmer are better at doing damage with bows, Redguards and Imperials have cheaper Bow skill use) THERE ARE NO BOSMER NOW from a lore perspective.

    Although honestly I doubt he'll see it.

    Well, at least from Q&A you may see that there is no special ignorance for bosmers or stealth etc. On every point, regarding community concerns and which were selected by reps as often mentioned and important, answer is "NO".
  • Seraphayel
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live. Again, there was no indication that anything would change. We had a PTR cycle with commentary they adjusted some racials and others were not touched. ZOS settled down on them and maybe it's time to finally accept it.
    Edited by Seraphayel on March 28, 2019 3:11PM
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  • MartiniDaniels
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    Seraphayel wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live.

    Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)
  • Seraphayel
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    Seraphayel wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live.

    Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)

    Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.
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  • DenMoria
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    Seraphayel wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live.

    Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)

    I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.

    Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.

    Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.
  • KMarble
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    Blinkin8r wrote: »
    Blinkin8r wrote: »
    I wanted to get in some playtime on my Bosmer Stamblade before commenting here. This has been my main toon for years and I was definitely nervous when I saw they were changing their passives.
    Pre Wrathstone: My Bosmer Stamblade cleared all Craglorn HM's, VAS, VMOL, VHOF, and achieved Flawless Conqueror, and was a solid player in Cyrodiil.
    Since Wrathstone: I've done all of those things and I'm still loving it in Cyrodiil. The extra penetration and speed after roll dodge is pretty niche but I'm loving it. For end game content at least, Bosmer is in a better place than it was before.

    Now if you're on a Bosmer that isn't a nightblade, you may have slightly more difficulty than before doing DB sacraments, thieves guild heists, and pickpocketing maybe. But if you've trying those on any race on a non nightblade I'd recommend Invis, Speed pots. They're in the game, use them.

    The only other reason I see people complaining about this passive change is lore. In other games, Bosmer are sneaky. This isn't other games. Zos runs it, they write the lore, they decide how different races will perform and if you don't like it and want to play a game where Bosmer get stealth passives, go play that game.

    Overall I think Bosmer benefited greatly from this change and am very happy with where it is.

    I love how you didn't mention stealth detection anywhere:)

    The stealth detection passive is as worthless in any end game content as the argonian super swimmers and the Khajiit's pickpocket chance. Imo passives like these are simply there to add flavor to that race. Why Zos decided to change this one; don't know, don't care as it hasn't changed a single aspect of the game as far as I'm concerned.

    Both the increased swimming speed and the pickpocket chances have uses, though.
  • anadandy
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    DenMoria wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live.

    Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)

    I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.

    Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.

    Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.

    I never minded the subscription, and I absolutely thought it was worth it. I also play for fun, not a min/maxer, etc. But I have been very disappointed in the way the game has been going of late, and while I still enjoy playing from time to time with my friends - the way they handled this racial change mess was the decider. I am not encouraged to give them any more financial support than what I already have in buying the game and paying for the sub all these years.
    Edited by anadandy on March 28, 2019 3:48PM
  • DenMoria
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    Seraphayel wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live.

    Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)

    Well then punish ZOS with your wallet.

    Why? And what punishment? You're just one person and/or a small group.

    The rest of us don't have a problem.

    If you want to "punish" a multi-billion corporation by not giving them chump change, go for it.

    Most of us play and subscribe and don't really care about much other than server issues, lag time and "bots".

    Racial passives and minor adjustments to skills just aren't that important in the grand scheme of things.

    What I want is unlimited Health, Magicka and Stamina. Nothing less. At level 2 as a perk, of course.
  • DenMoria
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    anadandy wrote: »
    DenMoria wrote: »
    Seraphayel wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    Hopefully by this time tomorrow we will know if the passives will change.

    No they won't and you already knew this when the racials went live.

    Oh, it's everybody knowledge that racials won't be revisited in nearest couple of years. This thread and those Q&A is just a reminder not to put a single cent in this game. (though i put a lot before and regularly, literally buying anything i like)

    I don't mind my subscription. To me it's worth it.

    Since I''m not competitive and couldn't care less about mini/maxing and certainly rarely, if ever, do PvP, the other perks are worth my time.

    Honestly - I encourage my friends to subscribe and to play, but, then again, we just play for fun. It's a video game, not something truly important and $15USD a month is a nominal thing.

    I never minded the subscription, and I absolutely thought it was worth it. I also play for fun, not a min/maxer, etc. But I have been very disappointed in the way the game has been going of late, and while I still enjoy playing from time to time with my friends - the way they handled this racial change mess was the decider. I am not encouraged to give them any more financial support than what I already have in buying the game and paying for the sub all these years.

    Since I've been here since release on the PS4, frankly, it's a heck of a lot better than it was.

    Admittedly, sometimes I need to take breaks, but I just love the "leveled" enemy thing.

    Now it's like Skyrim and I AM A GOD! :)
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