alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

layers repeating the same points in a circle.

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Commented, but how do you upvote now? Maybe it's my browser but I don't see a way to do it. edit: worked it out.

It'll be obvious which one is me.

2nd edit: This is no longer an open letter but a megathread.

No, it is the same points being pushed around in a circle for 40 pages.

@alanmatillab16_ESO Because all of them are valid and we have yet to hear a single valid counter argument in any of the charges.
How is stealth detect more universally applicable than stealth radius when one is has zero use in PvE and little use in PvP while the other has mediocre use in both?
How are the 25 years of lore and the very game itself being respected as promised in the racial passives when a race with its roots in green pact, archery and stealth has no boni reflecting any of that? (Apart from maybe Archery if you do some intense mental gymnastics)
Why is it that two completely different races in appearance, playstyle and niche can not share a single passive component when the removal actively limits choice instead of expanding it?

I can go on if you want. Even if this were a circle we are pushing around in, as long as the points have not been addressed, we'll keep this going as the topic is still relevant to us every day until there has been an official statement that makes us lose faith completely or allows us to hope that good times are going to come back.

It's more like they decided Wolverine and Deadpool should have differences in their powers so they took away Wolverine's healing factor and gave him the ability to heal others instead... Because balance. That's why. Each hero[race] needs to be different!

And since wolverine's revised power has the word healing in its description, it's basically the same thing.

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

layers repeating the same points in a circle.

Cundu_Ertur wrote: »

Commented, but how do you upvote now? Maybe it's my browser but I don't see a way to do it. edit: worked it out.

It'll be obvious which one is me.

2nd edit: This is no longer an open letter but a megathread.

No, it is the same points being pushed around in a circle for 40 pages.

@alanmatillab16_ESO Because all of them are valid and we have yet to hear a single valid counter argument in any of the charges.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting "I won't hear you until you agree with me" doesn't count. So many are claiming their class was destroyed, their playstyle destroyed and such like just because they have lost that passive. If that passive was the only factor that decided whether or not a class existed then there would be no other races being thieves would there? yet clearly there are therefore it comes down to the player to make a particular race successful at being sneaky.

@alanmatillab16_ESO Alright, suppose your argument is right and that I have been sticking fingers in my ears up until now all along, then I invite you to bring forth an argument that I did not consider beforehand that has indeed already been brought up by the "contra stealth" side of the discussion. Since I was not listening and all. Obviously I must have missed something important.

And before you say I didn't listen to the rest of your message (unlike a certain someone that edited out and left unanswered all the questions I asked you). Nobody in this thread is claiming they lost their class. Nobody is even talking about classes in here.
If your point is actually that we claim a playstyle stands and falls with one passive, then let me answer by asking another question. If Altmer lost all their magicka and magic related passives, could Altmer still spec into magicka? Of course they could, nobody said they couldn't, but that is not the point being discussed!
Taking away what makes a race special at a certain aspect of the game removes flavor and meaning from the race selection. If these boni are not based in lore, then they are arbitrary and there is no reason to have them in the first place. If we accept arbitrary racial passives in this game, then it makes absolutely no sense to tie these passives to race at all anymore, at which point they could be removed completely and their power be put somewhere more meaningful, which ultimately leads to less customization options.
On your last point, I'd like you to take that same logic and go to an endgame PvE player and tell them "It comes down to the player to make a particular race successful at being mag DPS so being Orc is totally fine." There are Orcs playing mag builds after all. Just because something exists, doesn't mean it's good, nor should it automatically be the standard at which we measure ourselves. If you want to be an Orc mage, then that's indeed fine, but you should know that you are not doing yourself a favor in terms of high performance.
Of course I could play justice gameplay with my Imperial, but I chose my Bosmer because I wanted to be sneakier than the rest and have an easier time doing it. And it's not that I am feeling entitled to always get what I want whenever I want. There were solid and completely valid reasons that made me think being a Bosmer would always give me an edge at stealth. On my Imperial I am struggling to do this content because I am playing tank and craft and don't want to carry two sets of gear with me in case I spontaneously feel like stealing. On my Bosmer I didn't need to worry about that. Regular medium armor would suffice thanks to the racial passive and since I was always using medium armor anyway, there was no need for a second set of gear. I would always have the freedom to go stealing wherever and whenever I pleased and be good at it. Now I have the same problems on that character as on my tank if I just want to be as effective as before.

I picked my race because I had an expectation about its performance based on the lore and previous games. Changing the core aspects of a race for no apparent reason later down the road is a no-go, because you can't expect people to completely scrap and abandon the characters they put their hearts into just to stay as effective as they had always been and have every right to keep being!

I was annoyed at getting caught repeatedly during Jorunn-Raht's quest for the event. smh.

Also, if you don't like how your toon looks you can use the race change token just to switch to the same race and redo the look.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Weird thing.... I did that quest on both accounts this morning. On my redguard mains. I did NOT get a bounty, nor did I get booted out of stealth.

There is a moving NPC that can spot you, I believe.

I don't even bother sneaking, I just pay the bounty.

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T-Minus 7 days until we hear news about Elsweyr.

Jaraal wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Weird thing.... I did that quest on both accounts this morning. On my redguard mains. I did NOT get a bounty, nor did I get booted out of stealth.

Remember that some animals can witness crimes and cause you to get a bounty. If you kill a man or woman in front of their pet goat in Alik'r, you will get a bounty, and the animal will run off. So watch the animals in the stable as well as the people.

Sheep: "Baah baah babaah baaaah!"
Guard: "Thank you for your report."
Later
Guard: "I managed to find and arrest the criminal thanks to the detailed witness report!"

Last year I brouht my murderer to that tent and try to do everyone a favor by clearing out witnesses.

Maybe instead of 3m stealth we should have 3m attitude “Whatchu gonna do?!”

I wish they’d waited on these major changes until during the “off season”. The events bring up FOMO but my heart’s not in it. Now it’s like a chore, and a heartache to log on to my favorite characters.

What makes it worse, is that if this was a crown store item, we’d get a direct reply. But because Bosmer is base game, we get snubbed.

Like I said before, I wonder how many of the people they consulted actually PLAY Bosmers or do justice quests regularly?

tyggerbob wrote: »

Like I said before, I wonder how many of the people they consulted actually PLAY Bosmers or do justice quests regularly?

One class rep, Joy Division played a Bosmer alt. From what I gather, it was for pvp.