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Wood Elf/ Bosmer losing stealth passive, An open letter.

  • Cundu_Ertur
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    I was annoyed at getting caught repeatedly during Jorunn-Raht's quest for the event. smh.

    Also, if you don't like how your toon looks you can use the race change token just to switch to the same race and redo the look.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • Ratzkifal
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    I was annoyed at getting caught repeatedly during Jorunn-Raht's quest for the event. smh.

    Also, if you don't like how your toon looks you can use the race change token just to switch to the same race and redo the look.

    I remember how I tried to take the apples unnoticed last year and how long it took me because I was doing it with my Imperial, so I didn't even attempt to go unnoticed this time.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Ratzkifal
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    I was annoyed at getting caught repeatedly during Jorunn-Raht's quest for the event. smh.

    Also, if you don't like how your toon looks you can use the race change token just to switch to the same race and redo the look.

    I remember how I tried to take the apples unnoticed last year and how long it took me because I was doing it with my Imperial, so I didn't even attempt to go unnoticed this time.

    ....and Imperial is now stealthier than Bosmer.


    SMH.

    Actually, we should do some testing on who can sustain sneak better while we are waiting for a official response.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Sylvermynx
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    Weird thing.... I did that quest on both accounts this morning. On my redguard mains. I did NOT get a bounty, nor did I get booted out of stealth.
  • Jaraal
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    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    Ratzkifal wrote: »
    I was annoyed at getting caught repeatedly during Jorunn-Raht's quest for the event. smh.

    Also, if you don't like how your toon looks you can use the race change token just to switch to the same race and redo the look.

    I remember how I tried to take the apples unnoticed last year and how long it took me because I was doing it with my Imperial, so I didn't even attempt to go unnoticed this time.

    ....and Imperial is now stealthier than Bosmer.


    SMH.

    Actually, we should do some testing on who can sustain sneak better while we are waiting for a official response.

    Bosmer:

    Y'ffre's Endurance: Increase stamina recovery by 258.



    Imperial:

    Imperial Mettle: Increase Stamina by 2000.

    Red Diamond: Reduce the cost of Sneak (and all other abilities) by 3%.



    What are you expecting testing to find?
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • Jaraal
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Weird thing.... I did that quest on both accounts this morning. On my redguard mains. I did NOT get a bounty, nor did I get booted out of stealth.

    Remember that some animals can witness crimes and cause you to get a bounty. If you kill a man or woman in front of their pet goat in Alik'r, you will get a bounty, and the animal will run off. So watch the animals in the stable as well as the people.
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • Sylvermynx
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    Yeah, I know. Stupid mechanic.... but still, I did not get a bounty.
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    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Yeah, I know. Stupid mechanic.... but still, I did not get a bounty.

    Fine...I was poking bear with that comment. I been getting caught every year.
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    Tasear wrote: »
    Sylvermynx wrote: »
    Yeah, I know. Stupid mechanic.... but still, I did not get a bounty.

    Fine...I was poking bear with that comment. I been getting caught every year.

    Yeah, I just did it on my best Khajiit thief, still got caught. Ran to the guard, got detained, used Clemency passive, mounted up and got the Princess, and got out of Dodge before the 60 second "all guards look the other way" timer ran out.

    Easy peasy!
    RIP Bosmer Nation. 4/4/14 - 2/25/19.
  • wedgebert
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    Jaraal wrote: »
    Bosmer:

    Y'ffre's Endurance: Increase stamina recovery by 258.

    Imperial:

    Imperial Mettle: Increase Stamina by 2000.

    Red Diamond: Reduce the cost of Sneak (and all other abilities) by 3%.



    What are you expecting testing to find?

    Bosmer aslo have

    Resist Affliction: Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and Poison Resistance by 2310. Gain immunity to the Poisoned status effect.

    So it really boils down to what is better for sneaking

    258 stamina recovery (plus modifiers) or 3% sneak reduction.

    But one of the big points is that even if the stamina recovery is better, it still means that Imperials have a direct bonus to stealth while Bosmer are only getting it because they have a different bonus that just happens to benefit stealth. If they decided to change how stamina recovery works while sneak, Bosmer could easily lose that as well.
    Edited by wedgebert on March 22, 2019 1:27PM
  • tyggerbob
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    Like I said before, I wonder how many of the people they consulted actually PLAY Bosmers or do justice quests regularly?
  • wedgebert
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    tyggerbob wrote: »
    Like I said before, I wonder how many of the people they consulted actually PLAY Bosmers or do justice quests regularly?

    I get the feeling that Bosmer are like Monks from WoW. Something that only one or two developers actually play them. And they're both Alts
    Edited by wedgebert on March 22, 2019 2:30PM
  • max_only
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    tyggerbob wrote: »
    Like I said before, I wonder how many of the people they consulted actually PLAY Bosmers or do justice quests regularly?

    One class rep, Joy Division played a Bosmer alt. From what I gather, it was for pvp.
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    wedgebert wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    Bosmer:

    Y'ffre's Endurance: Increase stamina recovery by 258.

    Imperial:

    Imperial Mettle: Increase Stamina by 2000.

    Red Diamond: Reduce the cost of Sneak (and all other abilities) by 3%.



    What are you expecting testing to find?

    Bosmer aslo have

    Resist Affliction: Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and Poison Resistance by 2310. Gain immunity to the Poisoned status effect.

    So it really boils down to what is better for sneaking

    258 stamina recovery (plus modifiers) or 3% sneak reduction.

    But one of the big points is that even if the stamina recovery is better, it still means that Imperials have a direct bonus to stealth while Bosmer are only getting it because they have a different bonus that just happens to benefit stealth. If they decided to change how stamina recovery works while sneak, Bosmer could easily lose that as well.

    I may be mistaken on the mechanics of it, but I believe you do NOT get Stamina recovery while moving in stealth.

    So if an Imperial and Bosmer have the exact same stamina, and they kept moving at the same constant rate, the Imperial SHOULD stay in stealth longer than a Bosmer before running out of Stamina.
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    That's what I thought too, but I never pay enough attention to know for sure.
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    BlueRaven wrote: »
    wedgebert wrote: »
    Jaraal wrote: »
    Bosmer:

    Y'ffre's Endurance: Increase stamina recovery by 258.

    Imperial:

    Imperial Mettle: Increase Stamina by 2000.

    Red Diamond: Reduce the cost of Sneak (and all other abilities) by 3%.



    What are you expecting testing to find?

    Bosmer aslo have

    Resist Affliction: Increases your Max Stamina by 2000 and Poison Resistance by 2310. Gain immunity to the Poisoned status effect.

    So it really boils down to what is better for sneaking

    258 stamina recovery (plus modifiers) or 3% sneak reduction.

    But one of the big points is that even if the stamina recovery is better, it still means that Imperials have a direct bonus to stealth while Bosmer are only getting it because they have a different bonus that just happens to benefit stealth. If they decided to change how stamina recovery works while sneak, Bosmer could easily lose that as well.

    I may be mistaken on the mechanics of it, but I believe you do NOT get Stamina recovery while moving in stealth.

    So if an Imperial and Bosmer have the exact same stamina, and they kept moving at the same constant rate, the Imperial SHOULD stay in stealth longer than a Bosmer before running out of Stamina.

    He would get farther, yes, but once one rans out, they need to stand still to start moving again. I was simply wondering if there is a tipping point at which Bosmer are better than Imperials again. On the first stamina pool, I'd expect Imperials to take a lead, then Bosmer catch up (maybe) but the question is when does that happen.
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    According to Zeno, never.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • alanmatillab16_ESO
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    wedgebert wrote: »
    Was just talking about video games with a coworker. He mentioned his favorite game of all time was Skyrim and was only kinda aware ESO existed.

    I mentioned the Bosmer changes and his immediate response was, to paraphrase, "But that's what they're known for!"

    Was just talking about video games with a coworker. He mentioned his favourite game of all time was Skyrim and was only kinda aware ESO existed.

    I mentioned the Bosmer changes and his immediate response was, to paraphrase, "Can they still sneak?" and after being told "yes" the answer was "So what is the fuss about?"
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