Razorback174 wrote: »Razorback174 wrote: »Basically, what I got from this "racial rebalancing" is that all DC races are now god-tier.
Everyone else? Pure, useless trash.
My 4 Bretons are now buffed beyond OP in magic, my 2 Redguards aren't incredibly better, but still in a decent place.
On the other hand, my 5 Bosmer and 4 Altmer characters have been gutted in the most lore-shattering way possible with Hawk's Eye and Spell Recharge. It's disgusting.
Enjoy that "diversity" they kept promoting this change would bring.
I've never seen this company fail so hard at meeting their original stated objective.
Your choice of words says that you don't understand how close all this is... No race is God tier, none is trash. Sustain races are able to use blue food and increase their damage, while damage races can use regen food and increase their sustain. At the moment, the second option is slightly better (because regen food is overloaded), but it doesnt have to stay that way.
As a mostly PvE player, what do I get from Hawk's Eye? From Spell Recharge?
Oh, that's right, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Just 3 skillpoints that got freed up to be used elsewhere.
Even a health bonus or any other sort of utility I could say would be useful in PvE, but these two? No way in hell.
Don't worry about it. He's just a Class rep and not a race rep so he's got no idea what he's on about. If its balanced in DPS at top level then he's quite happy to tell you "you don't understand how close all this is". No other roles and play styles exist nor matter. Thats why ZOS said they will balance around all roles and didn't. So he's here defending them because he would lose the "class rep" status otherwise. Just like other companies which said "don't like it, don't play it" they are copying the same attitude. It's a win-win.
PTS only exists to test the crown store. Does it work? Great, job done.
Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »We have 10 races in eso. 3 or 4 of them will be vailable to do content. Nuff said...
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed that I'm going to have to race change to a nord in order to be a competitive tank in PVE. For PVP, I'll just delete my argonian and reroll the meta for PVP caster
Razorback174 wrote: »Basically, what I got from this "racial rebalancing" is that all DC races are now god-tier.
Everyone else? Pure, useless trash.
My 4 Bretons are now buffed beyond OP in magic, my 2 Redguards aren't incredibly better, but still in a decent place.
On the other hand, my 5 Bosmer and 4 Altmer characters have been gutted in the most lore-shattering way possible with Hawk's Eye and Spell Recharge. It's disgusting.
Enjoy that "diversity" they kept promoting this change would bring.
I've never seen this company fail so hard at meeting their original stated objective.
Your choice of words says that you don't understand how close all this is... No race is God tier, none is trash. Sustain races are able to use blue food and increase their damage, while damage races can use regen food and increase their sustain. At the moment, the second option is slightly better (because regen food is overloaded), but it doesnt have to stay that way.
MLGProPlayer wrote: »Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »We have 10 races in eso. 3 or 4 of them will be vailable to do content. Nuff said...
Every single race is viable for any kind of content. There is no discussion on that. Some of them might be more competitive than others but this is the whole point of competitive. Things can only be equally good if they are exactly the same.
They could have easily adjusted values to bring all of the races closer together. All it would have taken is minor tweaks.
If we're still going to have clear-cut meta races, what was the point of this patch?
I think no matter what, there will always be a clear cut meta though.
This is what people who are new to MMORPG's don't seem to understand. There will always be meta, there will always be a want or a need to min/max. It's not as bad with this game but the philosophy of min/max is still strong
Honestly, I'm a little annoyed that I'm going to have to race change to a nord in order to be a competitive tank in PVE. For PVP, I'll just delete my argonian and reroll the meta for PVP caster
argonians are still solid tanks tho... I dont think a single group would turn you away for not being a nord tank.
I never said I like the roll dodge passive. I dont. But people lose their minds on a small utility passive while they got buffed on another.
Us class reps have been reading the feedback for the pastt weeks in our free time and you know what? I told them that many people dont like the roll dodge thing. I told them that many also dont like the stamina return on altmer. I told them that many players think orc is overtuned and that I can get where they are coming from. I have criticized these passives too.
But I also know the other end. Players complained about the stealth passive for examples all the way when it was there. Ofc some people liked it, but also many many people didn't. So what they did is buff the universal part in form of stamina and recovery. I have no clue why this roll dodge passive is there, and I'm not the biggest fan of it. But in total, I can see these passives to be a big improvement to before. Same with altmer. People focus on that one passive they dont like but ignore the ones that improved significantly.
I just can't understand how many people here can rage that hard when they just got a buff to their race compared to live. People are insulting me now because I voiced an opinion that didnt match theirs, which is why I'll stop posting for now.
The share fact that you only care about dps parses, and when those parses are more or less in margin of an arbitrary "human error" pretty much shows that you ignored 66% of the rest of players.All parses and math I have seen show that these races are all within a margin that can be put down to human error and chance at this point, and it baffles me how big of a deal these tiny differences are to many people. This is the first time I understand that you simply can't do it right. People will complain whatever change is coming, and it is quite difficult to filter out unbiased reasonable feedback.
You are still missing the point. We lost stealth to get a counter-stealth detection thing. It is a complete inversion of how the race was played in the 3 most recent single player games. It is a complete inversion of what is in the lore. I've never complained about the roll-dodge movement thing, though I have laughed at the pointlessness of the somewhat later penetration bonus. I knew from the start that the 20% bonus wasn't going to make it through PTS, but I didn't have a huge problem with it. I've never complained much about losing the bonus damage out of stealth. The problem has always been that the Bosmer have ALWAYS had a bonus to stealth and never, ever, EVER any kind of counter stealth, ever.I never said I like the roll dodge passive. I dont. But people lose their minds on a small utility passive while they got buffed on another.
Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »The share fact that you only care about dps parses, and when those parses are more or less in margin of an arbitrary "human error" pretty much shows that you ignored 66% of the rest of players.All parses and math I have seen show that these races are all within a margin that can be put down to human error and chance at this point, and it baffles me how big of a deal these tiny differences are to many people. This is the first time I understand that you simply can't do it right. People will complain whatever change is coming, and it is quite difficult to filter out unbiased reasonable feedback.
DPS is not the only role out there. We have tanks & healers too. The whole point of this racial rebalance was to make each race more or less vailable for all roles in all type of content. Meanwhile what will happen is out of 10 races we have only 3 or 4 that will be used to do content. It is the total opposite of the original racial rebalance goals.
And btw. It would be fine if this was said by a random person on forums, but peaple look at your avatar and they see "Class Representative". Like holy s***. If class reps says things like this, it convincess me more & more that class rep program was a terrible idea...
Razorback174 wrote: »Razorback174 wrote: »Basically, what I got from this "racial rebalancing" is that all DC races are now god-tier.
Everyone else? Pure, useless trash.
My 4 Bretons are now buffed beyond OP in magic, my 2 Redguards aren't incredibly better, but still in a decent place.
On the other hand, my 5 Bosmer and 4 Altmer characters have been gutted in the most lore-shattering way possible with Hawk's Eye and Spell Recharge. It's disgusting.
Enjoy that "diversity" they kept promoting this change would bring.
I've never seen this company fail so hard at meeting their original stated objective.
Your choice of words says that you don't understand how close all this is... No race is God tier, none is trash. Sustain races are able to use blue food and increase their damage, while damage races can use regen food and increase their sustain. At the moment, the second option is slightly better (because regen food is overloaded), but it doesnt have to stay that way.
As a mostly PvE player, what do I get from Hawk's Eye? From Spell Recharge?
Oh, that's right, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Just 3 skillpoints that got freed up to be used elsewhere.
Even a health bonus or any other sort of utility I could say would be useful in PvE, but these two? No way in hell.
Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »The share fact that you only care about dps parses, and when those parses are more or less in margin of an arbitrary "human error" pretty much shows that you ignored 66% of the rest of players.All parses and math I have seen show that these races are all within a margin that can be put down to human error and chance at this point, and it baffles me how big of a deal these tiny differences are to many people. This is the first time I understand that you simply can't do it right. People will complain whatever change is coming, and it is quite difficult to filter out unbiased reasonable feedback.
DPS is not the only role out there. We have tanks & healers too. The whole point of this racial rebalance was to make each race more or less vailable for all roles in all type of content. Meanwhile what will happen is out of 10 races we have only 3 or 4 that will be used to do content. It is the total opposite of the original racial rebalance goals.
And btw. It would be fine if this was said by a random person on forums, but peaple look at your avatar and they see "Class Representative". Like holy s***. If class reps says things like this, it convincess me more & more that class rep program was a terrible idea...
I never said that parses are the only thing I care about. I tank, I heal, I play cyrodiil, I play bgs. Nowhere did I say these passives are 100% perfect. But they achieve a much better balance than the ones we have on live and THAT was the goal.
For every role and playstyle you have various options to execute it.
Only 3 or 4 will be used to do content? I highly doubt that. For instance, I will make my stamblade a bosmer now because the 258 recovery synergises perfectly with the 15% recovery bonus they have and I dont have a bosmer yet.
Stop the hysteria already.
Seraphayel wrote: »Razorback174 wrote: »Razorback174 wrote: »Basically, what I got from this "racial rebalancing" is that all DC races are now god-tier.
Everyone else? Pure, useless trash.
My 4 Bretons are now buffed beyond OP in magic, my 2 Redguards aren't incredibly better, but still in a decent place.
On the other hand, my 5 Bosmer and 4 Altmer characters have been gutted in the most lore-shattering way possible with Hawk's Eye and Spell Recharge. It's disgusting.
Enjoy that "diversity" they kept promoting this change would bring.
I've never seen this company fail so hard at meeting their original stated objective.
Your choice of words says that you don't understand how close all this is... No race is God tier, none is trash. Sustain races are able to use blue food and increase their damage, while damage races can use regen food and increase their sustain. At the moment, the second option is slightly better (because regen food is overloaded), but it doesnt have to stay that way.
As a mostly PvE player, what do I get from Hawk's Eye? From Spell Recharge?
Oh, that's right, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Just 3 skillpoints that got freed up to be used elsewhere.
Even a health bonus or any other sort of utility I could say would be useful in PvE, but these two? No way in hell.
This is outright false for Spell Recharge. It's undeniably useful in PvE, too.
Vulsahdaal wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »Razorback174 wrote: »Razorback174 wrote: »Basically, what I got from this "racial rebalancing" is that all DC races are now god-tier.
Everyone else? Pure, useless trash.
My 4 Bretons are now buffed beyond OP in magic, my 2 Redguards aren't incredibly better, but still in a decent place.
On the other hand, my 5 Bosmer and 4 Altmer characters have been gutted in the most lore-shattering way possible with Hawk's Eye and Spell Recharge. It's disgusting.
Enjoy that "diversity" they kept promoting this change would bring.
I've never seen this company fail so hard at meeting their original stated objective.
Your choice of words says that you don't understand how close all this is... No race is God tier, none is trash. Sustain races are able to use blue food and increase their damage, while damage races can use regen food and increase their sustain. At the moment, the second option is slightly better (because regen food is overloaded), but it doesnt have to stay that way.
As a mostly PvE player, what do I get from Hawk's Eye? From Spell Recharge?
Oh, that's right, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Just 3 skillpoints that got freed up to be used elsewhere.
Even a health bonus or any other sort of utility I could say would be useful in PvE, but these two? No way in hell.
This is outright false for Spell Recharge. It's undeniably useful in PvE, too.
I dont see it. How can you add to a tank thats already full?
On PTS I put zero points into 'spell' recharge and have had no issues. With stamina anyway
Seems pretty useless to me..
John_Falstaff wrote: »@Elwendryll , without high crit, you're simply not using your racial passive, that's all. And since you're sitting at very low damage (and 35k is very low when talk's about limits of different races), you just don't know the difference. It's not a position from which one can judge the racial changes.