lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
Valera Progib wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
Can you elaborate on “glass cannon stamden” part please
lucky_dutch wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
Can you elaborate on “glass cannon stamden” part please
Medium 2h Dw
I know Stamden can never be truly ‘glass cannon’ but my point was it’s a build built for damage not survivability and yet it still struggles to break through the outrageous strength of shield stacking on live. It had to go.
That’s not to say that the changes they’ve made are ideal but Magsorcs will definitely be ok if played more cautiously.
Um, have you tried playing mag sorc in pvp? I did with my pet sorc and it was okay, even without any changing in the attributes/enchantments/traits/playstyle. Can't speak for PVE, but ZOS did listen to the feedback.
We went from dreadful cast shields -> 40% hp shields -> 50% hp shields with additional 20% for pets. AND we have pets immune to damage in arenas, dungeons and trials and one vMA boss.
It is much better and it is viable in PVP. As far as I'm concerned, I have no more complaints. Sorry to disappoint naysayers.
Lucky, how much have you played magsorc in PvP?
lucky_dutch wrote: »Still the kings of BGs too.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Lucky, how much have you played magsorc in PvP?
My 3rd most played class overall and I only PvP with it.
Shield stacking was way too strong though. I can sustain against a single attacker pretty much indefinitely on live.
The shield changes put a massive dent in Magsorc 1vX but overall the LA changes are probably a buff to small-scale and group so Magsorc will be absolutely fine. Still the kings of BGs too.
Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Still the kings of BGs too.
Because of the questionable scoring system in one (1) bg mode, right?
lucky_dutch wrote: »Lucky, how much have you played magsorc in PvP?
My 3rd most played class overall and I only PvP with it.
Shield stacking was way too strong though. I can sustain against a single attacker pretty much indefinitely on live.
The shield changes put a massive dent in Magsorc 1vX but overall the LA changes are probably a buff to small-scale and group so Magsorc will be absolutely fine. Still the kings of BGs too.
So can any other class, properly built.
Your point is?
lucky_dutch wrote: »Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Still the kings of BGs too.
Because of the questionable scoring system in one (1) bg mode, right?
They’re awesome in any mode. Really powerful burst combos that can done from the safety of range and decent mobility options (relatively speaking, these options will be even stronger now everyone is slower).
If you’re playing with your team and coordinating, they can be more godmode than any other class.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
I am sorry the evil magsorc has killed you in PvP, but here are thousands of us who can't care the less about the whole ESO PvP fiasco and love to quest, challenge themselves with public dungeons and world bosses and so on.
They are DESTROYING our gameplay and when you destroy someone's reason to play, he... surprise... shall just stop playing.
I only and exclusively do 1 to 2 trials a week and then 4+ a day of questing, world bosses etc.
Do you believe I am going to pay ESO+ for 1 / 2 trials and that's it? No, because 4+ hours now are not filled by ESO any more, and I am pushed to find another MMO do to so.
Emma_Overload wrote: »joaaocaampos wrote: »@Tasear @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RobGarrett
What I expect from next PTS Patch (4.2.4 or 4.2.5)!
Light Armor > Annulment > Dampen Magic:
- This morph now also increases the shield cap to 50% of your Max Health, previously 40%.
- This morph now also increases the shield cap by 2% of your Max Health for each piece of light armor worn, previously 40%.
Champion Points > Bastion:
- Increases the effectiveness of damage absorbing effects by [0-25]%. (This effect is useless now)
- Reduces damage taken while using a damage shield ability by [0-25]%.
Sorcerer > Daedric Summoning > Daedric Protection (Passive):
- Increases your Health Recovery, Stamina Recovery and Magicka Recovery by X% when a Daedric Summoning ability is slotted.
Done!
Yep, this such an obvious fix for Bastion, should be a no-brainer for ZOS... meaning it will be 3 or 4 patches before they get around to it
lucky_dutch wrote: »I’m not saying the changes are well thought out, in saying shield stacking was obnoxious and had to go.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
I am sorry the evil magsorc has killed you in PvP, but here are thousands of us who can't care the less about the whole ESO PvP fiasco and love to quest, challenge themselves with public dungeons and world bosses and so on.
They are DESTROYING our gameplay and when you destroy someone's reason to play, he... surprise... shall just stop playing.
I only and exclusively do 1 to 2 trials a week and then 4+ a day of questing, world bosses etc.
Do you believe I am going to pay ESO+ for 1 / 2 trials and that's it? No, because 4+ hours now are not filled by ESO any more, and I am pushed to find another MMO do to so.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
Can you elaborate on “glass cannon stamden” part please
Medium 2h Dw
I know Stamden can never be truly ‘glass cannon’ but my point was it’s a build built for damage not survivability and yet it still struggles to break through the outrageous strength of shield stacking on live. It had to go.
That’s not to say that the changes they’ve made are ideal but Magsorcs will definitely be ok if played more cautiously.
And that guy who's wailing in the sorc' for over a minute is getting instantly exploded by the sorcs cannon right? That's how he lasts for a minute with his glass defence?
People really need to understand that very very few live sorcs build as glass cannons. There is no glass and no cannon.
lucky_dutch wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Lucky, how much have you played magsorc in PvP?
My 3rd most played class overall and I only PvP with it.
Shield stacking was way too strong though. I can sustain against a single attacker pretty much indefinitely on live.
The shield changes put a massive dent in Magsorc 1vX but overall the LA changes are probably a buff to small-scale and group so Magsorc will be absolutely fine. Still the kings of BGs too.
So can any other class, properly built.
Your point is?
Other classes have to build for it. Magsorcs just focused on stacking Mag & Mag recovery then slapped 2 shields on their bars and become unkillable.
You’re trying to defend the indefensible because you’re too accustomed to your crutch. 1vX aside, Magsorc will be top-tier in Murkmire. Almost certainly the best mag class, only challenged by Magplar.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »lucky_dutch wrote: »Magsorc are absolutely fine on PTS now. Arguably stronger with the improved LA passives.
You can’t face-tank unlimited amounts of damage anymore but forgive me for my limited sympathy on that front.
The fact that a glass cannon Stamblade or Stamden could wail on you non-stop for over a minute without breaking through the shields was a little bit ridiculous.
Can you elaborate on “glass cannon stamden” part please
Medium 2h Dw
I know Stamden can never be truly ‘glass cannon’ but my point was it’s a build built for damage not survivability and yet it still struggles to break through the outrageous strength of shield stacking on live. It had to go.
That’s not to say that the changes they’ve made are ideal but Magsorcs will definitely be ok if played more cautiously.
And that guy who's wailing in the sorc' for over a minute is getting instantly exploded by the sorcs cannon right? That's how he lasts for a minute with his glass defence?
People really need to understand that very very few live sorcs build as glass cannons. There is no glass and no cannon.
Valera Progib wrote: »@lucky_dutch yeah ok, shield stack had to go, but how are new changes supporting that “decision”? If you ask me - new changes encourage shieldstack, I doubt that magsorc will be playable in light armour with one shield...
Dark deal should have been made in to what we have suggested, not what ZoS thinks as they obviously have no idea.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »@lucky_dutch yeah ok, shield stack had to go, but how are new changes supporting that “decision”? If you ask me - new changes encourage shieldstack, I doubt that magsorc will be playable in light armour with one shield...
Dark deal should have been made in to what we have suggested, not what ZoS thinks as they obviously have no idea.
I gotta admit, the dark deal change is a really headscratcher. That was the natural replacement for the 2nd shield but now they ruined that ability too.
Magsorc and Magblade are both in a similar place now. Nerfed shields, only healing options rely on doing damage so no use defensively, have mobility options but in both cases are a bit hit and miss.
They both need a quality, on-demand self-heal.
lucky_dutch wrote: »Valera Progib wrote: »@lucky_dutch yeah ok, shield stack had to go, but how are new changes supporting that “decision”? If you ask me - new changes encourage shieldstack, I doubt that magsorc will be playable in light armour with one shield...
Dark deal should have been made in to what we have suggested, not what ZoS thinks as they obviously have no idea.
I gotta admit, the dark deal change is a really headscratcher. That was the natural replacement for the 2nd shield but now they ruined that ability too.
Magsorc and Magblade are both in a similar place now. Nerfed shields, only healing options rely on doing damage so no use defensively, have mobility options but in both cases are a bit hit and miss.
They both need a quality, on-demand self-heal.
Magsorcs just focused on stacking Mag & Mag recovery then slapped 2 shields on their bars and become unkillable.
Valera Progib wrote: »Defense; sustain; damage - you can choose only two.