The way you obtain Welkynar motif chapters is a terrible joke!
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✭✭✭weedgenius wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Give it a few weeks and these will be selling in guild stores for cheaper than Buoyant Armiger or Militant Ordinator pages. I’m predicting they start off around 200-300k this week. Then after all the richest players have them, start dropping to the 80-100k range in a few weeks. Months down the road they will probably stabilize to around 50k per page. Far from unobtainable, and much easier to get than some other motifs in game.
Which motif is harder than having to do 12 man trial on vet hard mode for 1 page a week? ( I think that is criteria for pages, could be off a little).
Buoyant Armiger could be gotten in Treasure Chests. Militant Ordinator was bought with AP. Both leaps and jumps easier than this.
nCR+3 can be done in 10 minutes with a group pulled out of zone chat. That’s 1 hour 40 mins to run it 10 times in the worst case scenario (no guild or friends to do vet), and get a guaranteed motif drop. With a good group, a vCR+3 run grants one page and takes less than 15 minutes. This can be repeated on each of up to 15 characters weekly per account.
People would farm Morrowind chests for days and not see a single Buoyant motif. They would have killed for a guaranteed page with less than 2 hours of farming, or the ability to get 15 in a week with no RNG.
Akaviri and Ordinator were not much better. IIRC some of those pages cost 200k AP, which is a much longer grind than Welkynar.
@WrathOfInnos Ten minutes to do nCR +3 with a PUG group from zone chat? That's a good one. And I would venture to guess most players don't have multiple characters that could reliably run vCR+3 in fifteen minutes, let alone ~15 characters or two accounts. You sound like a serious end game player that is very out of touch with the reality of people who are not on your level.
Agree with those above. You must be playing a different version than me. My PvP guild does this trial weekly, with our core players, and we can't do it in 15 minutes.
As far as BA, I found enough pages in first 3 weeks of Morrowind to make several million gold. They weren't that hard.
AP, it is easy to make 100k AP in a couple hours.
Guarantee of drops DOES NOT exclude RNG of getting the same one multiple times, so you can still spend months to get the whole chapter.
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✭✭✭✭✭weedgenius wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Give it a few weeks and these will be selling in guild stores for cheaper than Buoyant Armiger or Militant Ordinator pages. I’m predicting they start off around 200-300k this week. Then after all the richest players have them, start dropping to the 80-100k range in a few weeks. Months down the road they will probably stabilize to around 50k per page. Far from unobtainable, and much easier to get than some other motifs in game.
Which motif is harder than having to do 12 man trial on vet hard mode for 1 page a week? ( I think that is criteria for pages, could be off a little).
Buoyant Armiger could be gotten in Treasure Chests. Militant Ordinator was bought with AP. Both leaps and jumps easier than this.
nCR+3 can be done in 10 minutes with a group pulled out of zone chat. That’s 1 hour 40 mins to run it 10 times in the worst case scenario (no guild or friends to do vet), and get a guaranteed motif drop. With a good group, a vCR+3 run grants one page and takes less than 15 minutes. This can be repeated on each of up to 15 characters weekly per account.
People would farm Morrowind chests for days and not see a single Buoyant motif. They would have killed for a guaranteed page with less than 2 hours of farming, or the ability to get 15 in a week with no RNG.
Akaviri and Ordinator were not much better. IIRC some of those pages cost 200k AP, which is a much longer grind than Welkynar.
@WrathOfInnos Ten minutes to do nCR +3 with a PUG group from zone chat? That's a good one. And I would venture to guess most players don't have multiple characters that could reliably run vCR+3 in fifteen minutes, let alone ~15 characters or two accounts. You sound like a serious end game player that is very out of touch with the reality of people who are not on your level.
@weedgenius @Pink_Violinz You misunderstand my points. I’m aware that few people are clearing vCR+3, that is why I based my time estimate on farming nCR. I’m not sure why anyone doubts that pug farming normal Cloudrest is doable, I got my first set of Siroria through this method. Call it 15 minutes if you’d prefer, but it’s still a couple hours per page. These groups are going all the time, just step into Craglorn and look at zone chat. As long as a couple people know how to do the portal phase the runs go smooth, since all other mechanics are not punishing on normal.
Anyway, even if the motifs could not be farmed on normal, and hypothetically required vCR+3. There would still be an entire community of players that could farm them and sell to others. No elite PVPer can make 500k AP (thanks @VaranisArano for checking price) in 15 minutes for an Ordinator page, but plenty of elite PVE players are capable of Cloudrest HM.
Whether you are in a top trials guild or just started the game, it is objectively quicker to obtain Welkynar pages than some previous rare motifs. And I am happy that they chose to reward doing fun content instead of making it rare through RNG and opening thousands of overland chests.Edited by WrathOfInnos on September 13, 2018 12:29AM0 -
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✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »weedgenius wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »wenchmore420b14_ESO wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Give it a few weeks and these will be selling in guild stores for cheaper than Buoyant Armiger or Militant Ordinator pages. I’m predicting they start off around 200-300k this week. Then after all the richest players have them, start dropping to the 80-100k range in a few weeks. Months down the road they will probably stabilize to around 50k per page. Far from unobtainable, and much easier to get than some other motifs in game.
Which motif is harder than having to do 12 man trial on vet hard mode for 1 page a week? ( I think that is criteria for pages, could be off a little).
Buoyant Armiger could be gotten in Treasure Chests. Militant Ordinator was bought with AP. Both leaps and jumps easier than this.
nCR+3 can be done in 10 minutes with a group pulled out of zone chat. That’s 1 hour 40 mins to run it 10 times in the worst case scenario (no guild or friends to do vet), and get a guaranteed motif drop. With a good group, a vCR+3 run grants one page and takes less than 15 minutes. This can be repeated on each of up to 15 characters weekly per account.
People would farm Morrowind chests for days and not see a single Buoyant motif. They would have killed for a guaranteed page with less than 2 hours of farming, or the ability to get 15 in a week with no RNG.
Akaviri and Ordinator were not much better. IIRC some of those pages cost 200k AP, which is a much longer grind than Welkynar.
@WrathOfInnos Ten minutes to do nCR +3 with a PUG group from zone chat? That's a good one. And I would venture to guess most players don't have multiple characters that could reliably run vCR+3 in fifteen minutes, let alone ~15 characters or two accounts. You sound like a serious end game player that is very out of touch with the reality of people who are not on your level.
@weedgenius @Pink_Violinz You misunderstand my points. I’m aware that few people are clearing vCR+3, that is why I based my time estimate on farming nCR. I’m not sure why anyone doubts that pug farming normal Cloudrest is doable, I got my first set of Siroria through this method. Call it 15 minutes if you’d prefer, but it’s still a couple hours per page. These groups are going all the time, just step into Craglorn and look at zone chat. As long as a couple people know how to do the portal phase the runs go smooth, since all other mechanics are not punishing on normal.
Anyway, even if the motifs could not be farmed on normal, and hypothetically required vCR+3. There would still be an entire community of players that could farm them and sell to others. No elite PVPer can make 500k AP (thanks @VaranisArano for checking price) in 15 minutes for an Ordinator page, but plenty of elite PVE players are capable of Cloudrest HM.
Whether you are in a top trials guild or just started the game, it is objectively quicker to obtain Welkynar pages than some previous rare motifs. And I am happy that they chose to reward doing fun content instead of making it rare through RNG and opening thousands of overland chests.
I saw here someone saying they sold like 600 (can't recall the exact number) Buoyant Armiger pieces and it wasn't even 4 months after Morrowind. RNG goes both ways, some might not get anything at all and some might hit the jackpot. Also note that people sold Buoyant pieces over 500k for more than a year till ESO 4th year anniversary happened.
But then again this comparison doesn't really tell anything at all. As too many people said before, this is an obvious way of ZoS forcing people into Crown Store. Just because that you can't even make your time worth by selling chapters because your price has to be on par with crown/gold ratio.Edited by themaddaedra on September 13, 2018 1:01PMPC|EU0 -
Ufretin✭✭✭✭✭Almost 10k view now. is @ZOS_GinaBruno gonna respond to this?
Edit: Meant to @ZOS and it auto filled the name, sry Gina, you are awesome
They won't. In fact, they're locking any thread about the subject except this one.
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Why not have odds of getting 1 full motif page set as...
And have the Welkynar Binding from the weekly quest changed to a Welkynar Token. Which x amount of could buy you a page so that if the RNG odds from above aren't in your favor you could still get them eventually.
They named their odds {crowns}
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NatalyaPeterovna✭✭✭this is the first one of these ridiculous and idiotic limited time motifs that ill actually waste my time on grinding because it actually looks good
either that or ill try twice and fish for a few days XD0 -
Zathras✭✭✭✭✭Almost 10k view now. is @ZOS_GinaBruno gonna respond to this?
Edit: Meant to @ZOS and it auto filled the name, sry Gina, you are awesome
They won't. In fact, they're locking any thread about the subject except this one.
Bump.
Yup. There was one in particular that was especially critical of how they are monetizing the game, and moving to a Grind or Pay model, that got shut down rather quickly. Guess the truth hurts.For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
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elijafire✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Base Game
Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.- You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.
- You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.
- The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.
Now if i'm reading this correctly, you will have to do lots of farming for 10 Welkynar motif fragments (10 nCR +3, 5 vCR, one vCR +1 and one vCR +2, or one vCR +3 -good luck- and such) which you will have to use with Welkynar Binding for a random chapter, and Welkynar Binding can be acquired once a week!
What kind of grind is that? Who from ZOS in their bright mind came up with this idea? Not even talking about new BG outfit styles those come from different BG modes! This truly got out of hand, i'm at this point saying goodbye to all collectible hunts and such, which i very strictly continued so far.
Why are you complaining again? Just do +3 normal or buy them off the guild stores, you do realize they are Bind on EQUIP which means the market will be saturated with them soon enough.
If anything I'd have 1 frag drop off normal +0, 2 frag off +1 etc but as it is, the stores will be flooded with them soon enough.
I think all you complainers are just lacking in patience... and instead of dealing with reality you will report this post and cry some more.
Have you ever stopped to consider that the time you sit here complaining you could be farming Telvar and making boat loads of money that you can buy the fragments and the motifs with?
It's just like the complaints about lootable containers in Clockwork City, instead of just making money doing fun stuff ya'll would rather run in circles looting CONTAINERS.... PLEASE stop complaining, you are diluting the REAL problems such as the sprint bugs, the mount bugs and the bar swap bugs and Bind on PICKUP items that you can't even trade. You should be ecstatic that these items are even B o E and not Character bound LOL!
Focus guys, go in Imperial City this weekend and make BANK then just buy whatever you want. If you don't know how message me in game and I'll get you in my guild and we will TEACH you step by step how to make boatloads of cash. I bought every single Psijic mount using GOLD (and a few donated crates from guildies).
Eli0 - You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.
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POps75p✭✭✭✭Harrdarrzarr wrote: »don't be so difficult, there is no fun in having your motif complete is 1 week.
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✭themaddaedra wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Base Game
Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.- You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.
- You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.
- The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.
Now if i'm reading this correctly, you will have to do lots of farming for 10 Welkynar motif fragments (10 nCR +3, 5 vCR, one vCR +1 and one vCR +2, or one vCR +3 -good luck- and such) which you will have to use with Welkynar Binding for a random chapter, and Welkynar Binding can be acquired once a week!
What kind of grind is that? Who from ZOS in their bright mind came up with this idea? Not even talking about new BG outfit styles those come from different BG modes! This truly got out of hand, i'm at this point saying goodbye to all collectible hunts and such, which i very strictly continued so far.
Why are you complaining again? Just do +3 normal or buy them off the guild stores, you do realize they are Bind on EQUIP which means the market will be saturated with them soon enough.
If anything I'd have 1 frag drop off normal +0, 2 frag off +1 etc but as it is, the stores will be flooded with them soon enough.
I think all you complainers are just lacking in patience... and instead of dealing with reality you will report this post and cry some more.
Have you ever stopped to consider that the time you sit here complaining you could be farming Telvar and making boat loads of money that you can buy the fragments and the motifs with?
It's just like the complaints about lootable containers in Clockwork City, instead of just making money doing fun stuff ya'll would rather run in circles looting CONTAINERS.... PLEASE stop complaining, you are diluting the REAL problems such as the sprint bugs, the mount bugs and the bar swap bugs and Bind on PICKUP items that you can't even trade. You should be ecstatic that these items are even B o E and not Character bound LOL!
Focus guys, go in Imperial City this weekend and make BANK then just buy whatever you want. If you don't know how message me in game and I'll get you in my guild and we will TEACH you step by step how to make boatloads of cash. I bought every single Psijic mount using GOLD (and a few donated crates from guildies).
Eli
PC|EU0 - You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.
