The way you obtain Welkynar motif chapters is a terrible joke!

logarifmik · July 2018

Ah, so the logic behind it is basically this, sure, one can have this motif for free, but it'll take so much effort, that it'll be easier to buy it from the Crown Store. Bravo, rotten capitalists! Bravo!

Nightfall12 · July 2018

what if...
This motiff is the one they planed on putting in next seasons crown crates. I remember when the Pyando's were annouced they stated they planned to have a crate motif each season, everyone complained and they found a way to put it into the game that wasn't easy, but at least a way to get it. maybe this is that and its being shown in reverse this time so crown crates seem like the saving grace instead of the problem?

Maybe but then again that data mine did not show the individual parts..

driosketch · July 2018

Pink_Violinz wrote: »

Didn't they learn their lesson with glass? Dividing up a motif even more is just stupid.

Right? I thought we've done this dance already and decided it wasn't fun or cost effective. Oh well, here's looking to the fourth anniversary event to collect this motif.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2018

The 'only one Binding per week' looks like it's going to be a bad bottleneck. Fourteen chapters, fourteen weeks, so even if you happen to be in the subset of players who run vet Trials regularly you're going to be waiting on this a while.

Now that I think about it, has anyone tested if it's one per week PER CHARACTER or one per week PER ACCOUNT?

VaranisArano · July 2018

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

The 'only one Binding per week' looks like it's going to be a bad bottleneck. Fourteen chapters, fourteen weeks, so even if you happen to be in the subset of players who run vet Trials regularly you're going to be waiting on this a while. Now that I think about it, has anyone tested if it's one per week PER CHARACTER or one per week PER ACCOUNT?

Even worse, you get a RANDOM chapter from using the binding. So with perfect RNG, you can get all 14 chapters in 14 weeks. (Its better if you can get bindings per character, but even then, its not like you can get 140 fragments and call it a day.)

Anyone really feel that lucky?

efster · July 2018

This is just monumentally stupid.

Make fragments drop in normal, 1 for every extra miniboss, and make full chapters drop in vet, with 1 extra chapter drop chance for every extra miniboss.

Normal:
+0 1 fragment
+1 2 fragments
+2 3 fragments
+3 4 fragments

Vet:
+0 1 random chapter
+1 1 random chapter + 25% chance for a second
+2 1 random chapter + 50% chance for a second
+3 2 random chapters

This would give bleeding-edge raiders a new source of income without making the motifs unobtainable by any means other than the crown store for the average player.

sevomd69 · July 2018

According to the datamine...it looks like Wekynar will be in crown crates... https://elderscrolls.net/2018/07/10/28901-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-obnovlenie-4-1-0/4/
Edit: wrong link

Cage_Lizardman · July 2018

That 1 fragment is just an insult for +3 on normal. Why even bother...

That's another motif I'm never going to have, not buying it in the crown store either.

Soella · July 2018

I do not buy in story anything I can get in the game. And 10 +3 runs for one chapter... I have better things to do.
Well, means I gonna wait next anniversary.

JaZ2091 · July 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Bet it will conveniently hit the crowns store at the same time

More like be released a month ahead in crown store only

generalmyrick · July 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Base Game

Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.
You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.

You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.

The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.

Now if i'm reading this correctly, you will have to do lots of farming for 10 Welkynar motif fragments (10 nCR +3, 5 vCR, one vCR +1 and one vCR +2, or one vCR +3 -good luck- and such) which you will have to use with Welkynar Binding for a random chapter, and Welkynar Binding can be acquired once a week!

What kind of grind is that? Who from ZOS in their bright mind came up with this idea? Not even talking about new BG outfit styles those come from different BG modes! This truly got out of hand, i'm at this point saying goodbye to all collectible hunts and such, which i very strictly continued so far.

Wow...hahahahaha! Not going to complain too much...but damn im sort of shut from getting these motifs. If they are not bound they'll be what...quarter million each motif?

Cmon zos...

commdt · July 2018

Thank you ZoS, now well do some money on Zmaja farm

Cpt_Teemo · July 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

timb16_ESO85 wrote: »

Harrdarrzarr wrote: »

don't be so difficult, there is no fun in having your motif complete is 1 week.

don't be so difficult, there is no fun for most players to either do at least 140 trial runs (at a minimum), or just spend gold (no fun in that either). Having the chapters drop once per week is fine, having them drop once per 10 runs is just way too much.

so basically zos looked at how awful upgrading jewelry is and how unhappy players are and instead of improvements to that decided... why don't we apply the same strategy to a new motif acquisition!

sigh.

Not only upgrading jewelery but the horrible horrible drops of temper grains from regular writs

wenchmore420b14_ESO · July 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Base Game

Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.
You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.

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You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.
The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.

FinneganFroth · July 2018

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

FinneganFroth · July 2018

generalmyrick wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Base Game

Welkynar Motif
The Welkynar Motif is now available from Cloudrest Trial. This Motif is proudly worn by the gryphon-riding Welkynar themselves, and now you can earn the right to wear and craft this armor too - if you can defeat Z'Maja.
You can earn Welkynar Style Motif Fragments by defeating Z'Maja; more are earned by defeating her on harder difficulties, and she will not drop any Fragments unless fought on Veteran mode, or on Normal mode with all of her Welkynar Shade allies. The amount of Fragments dropped is not randomized, but is based on the configuration of the final boss fight - the harder the fight, the more Motif Fragments you'll obtain.

You can earn a Welkynar Binding once a week by completing the quest "Woe of the Welkynars", a quest in Cloudrest. By activating the Welkynar Binding (which consumes 10 Welkynar Style Motif Fragments), you will create a single random Welkynar Motif chapter, or very rarely, the full Book.

The Welkynar Style Item, Gryphon Plumes, are earned in the same manner: by defeating Z'Maja. You earn more on harder difficulties, and as with the Motif Fragments, you will not earn any if you defeat her on Normal mode without all of her allies with him.

Now if i'm reading this correctly, you will have to do lots of farming for 10 Welkynar motif fragments (10 nCR +3, 5 vCR, one vCR +1 and one vCR +2, or one vCR +3 -good luck- and such) which you will have to use with Welkynar Binding for a random chapter, and Welkynar Binding can be acquired once a week!

What kind of grind is that? Who from ZOS in their bright mind came up with this idea? Not even talking about new BG outfit styles those come from different BG modes! This truly got out of hand, i'm at this point saying goodbye to all collectible hunts and such, which i very strictly continued so far.

Wow...hahahahaha! Not going to complain too much...but damn im sort of shut from getting these motifs. If they are not bound they'll be what...quarter million each motif?

Cmon zos...

Quarter mill sounds good, about time something costs gold again.

Cage_Lizardman · July 2018

FinneganFroth wrote: »

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

I'm already paying for the game thanks. I want content I can actually do, not more things to buy.

FinneganFroth · July 2018

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

I'm already paying for the game thanks. I want content I can actually do, not more things to buy.

"Do". I'm sure there is plenty of content you can't "do". Like vet DLC trials, yet you haven't complained enough to get that dumbed down yet. It's a costume at best, what the hell

FinneganFroth · July 2018

This is honestly the reason this game is breaking down. If something isn't instantly obtainable or easily obtainable, people just flip out and complain until ZOS caves. Obviously there is always the Crown Store option, but I'm ignoring that because people can pay all they want if they feel they need extra stuff. It's a grind, it's an mmporg, you should have to earn things...

DanteYoda · July 2018

Koolio wrote: »

As a PvPer I will never farm them.

Not looking forward to paying 1 mill gold per page

As a Pver i will never farm them... There are no carrots in the world that would make me jump through those hoops..

Runs · July 2018

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Why not have odds of getting 1 full motif page set as...

And have the Welkynar Binding from the weekly quest changed to a Welkynar Token. Which x amount of could buy you a page so that if the RNG odds from above aren't in your favor you could still get them eventually.

Cage_Lizardman · July 2018

FinneganFroth wrote: »

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

I'm already paying for the game thanks. I want content I can actually do, not more things to buy.

"Do". I'm sure there is plenty of content you can't "do". Like vet DLC trials, yet you haven't complained enough to get that dumbed down yet. It's a costume at best, what the hell

True, the skins/motifs I don't care about that much. It's the perfect staffs in vAS and perfect sets in Cloudrest that would actually be useful. I should be complaining about those more.

Leandor · July 2018

It really seems like they want to make sure that every part of the game is a useless, boring, biased and badly designed cockup.

FinneganFroth · July 2018

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

Cage_Lizardman wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

I'm already paying for the game thanks. I want content I can actually do, not more things to buy.

"Do". I'm sure there is plenty of content you can't "do". Like vet DLC trials, yet you haven't complained enough to get that dumbed down yet. It's a costume at best, what the hell

True, the skins/motifs I don't care about that much. It's the perfect staffs in vAS and perfect sets in Cloudrest that would actually be useful. I should be complaining about those more.

There ya go. That's a more tangible "do". I still don't agree with it being easier to gain, but I agree with the logic behind the statement :P

weedgenius · July 2018

FinneganFroth wrote: »

It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

News flash: not everyone plays the game the same way. For some people, collecting motifs/dyes/furnishings IS the game.

DanteYoda · July 2018

No need for the game anymore just have the crown store...

FinneganFroth · July 2018

weedgenius wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

News flash: not everyone plays the game the same way. For some people, collecting motifs/dyes/furnishings IS the game.

And I totally understand that. News flash: a lot of people try and complete vet HM DLC trials. Should they sell those opportunities or make those 100 times easier to achieve? Why is it that you need to have the gameplay of your choosing so easy to finish? This is how games work, some things are easy (i.e., MOST motifs now thanks to the anniversary event [don't get me started on how that ruined the market]), while other things should be hard (i.e., what we are discussing now).

I completely understand being a completionist. Ask anyone in my guild and they will tell you that I'm obsessed with it. What you are all suggesting is the equivalent of saying, "Well, we all want master angler so you should just give it to us if we fish Cyrodiil and Imperial City".

themaddaedra · July 2018

FinneganFroth wrote: »

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

Really, Sherlock? Do i not know how to EARN or BUY a motif? Is this the reason for me knowing all of the existing motifs in game atm?

Did i make 29k+ achievement points just by sitting here complaining in forums? Are you teaching me how to earn things?

This grind is strictly stupid. I wouldn't even mind if they bound it on vCR, or harder versions of it because that would really look like rewarding endgame content.

And i'm not the one who's gonna have hard times getting it. I got millions of gold, and i'm regularly doing vCR +1, going soon for +2.

Just stop playing Sherlock.

FinneganFroth · July 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

FinneganFroth wrote: »

jesus christ people, you seriously complain about the most pointless things. If you want to be a completionist, sometimes you either have to EARN it or BUY it. ZOS is based in a capitalist country. I'm sure someone's boss is breathing down their neck saying "How can you earn us more money?". It's a god damned motif, and doesn't affect any way you play the game other than cosmetics...get over it.

Really, Sherlock? Do i not know how to EARN or BUY a motif? Is this the reason for me knowing all of the existing motifs in game atm?

Did i make 29k+ achievement points just by sitting here complaining in forums? Are you teaching me how to earn things?

This grind is strictly stupid. I wouldn't even mind if they bound it on vCR, or harder versions of it because that would really look like rewarding endgame content.

And i'm not the one who's gonna have hard times getting it. I got millions of gold, and i'm regularly doing vCR +1, going soon for +2.

Just stop playing Sherlock.

My bad Watson.

DeadlyPhoenix · July 2018

Looks like I will officially no longer give af about collecting motifs.

Way to turn a terrible grind into an even worse one.